Hi all, I know this has mostly to do with experience and such, but what kind of wind are you all comfortable in with your Monty. Had a nice day today but was blowing 20+ and I wasn't sure. So better on the driveway wishing I was sailing than vice versa! Beer
Sailed above 20kts in my M15 and M17.. Sailed 30kt+ in Sage 17. :: Dave Scobie On Mar 13, 2016 6:34 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, I know this has mostly to do with experience and such, but what kind of wind are you all comfortable in with your Monty. Had a nice day today but was blowing 20+ and I wasn't sure. So better on the driveway wishing I was sailing than vice versa!
Beer
With the proper sail setup you can sail a Monty pretty dry at over 20 knots depending on chop and swell. A Monty will take you through more than you probably want to experience. 12 to 15 knots is usually my most comfortable zone though with a Monty you can dink around with 5 knots and turn on dimes. It is a fun boat to experiment with. Once when coming into a boat ramp I was sailing on a reach while breaking down the rig and was still about 100 yards away from the takeout and I had stowed the main with a boom in the cabin. I was going to start the ob when she lost way completely but she never did. With no canvas up she kept sailing across the 3 knots of wind right on course. Amazing little boats. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2115-f> 0 viruses found. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2115-f> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, I know this has mostly to do with experience and such, but what kind of wind are you all comfortable in with your Monty. Had a nice day today but was blowing 20+ and I wasn't sure. So better on the driveway wishing I was sailing than vice versa!
Beer
12 to 15 is a very comfortable range. With one reef the boat still sails well and powers through chop and waves. At the second reef it gets a bit more tedious to punch through the chops especially on a beat when the bow is getting pushed of. If you don't have many waves/chop to content with higher winds can give a good ride. however, remember that a smooth run can turn rougher if you have to head back into the wind. On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 11:57 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
With the proper sail setup you can sail a Monty pretty dry at over 20 knots depending on chop and swell. A Monty will take you through more than you probably want to experience. 12 to 15 knots is usually my most comfortable zone though with a Monty you can dink around with 5 knots and turn on dimes. It is a fun boat to experiment with. Once when coming into a boat ramp I was sailing on a reach while breaking down the rig and was still about 100 yards away from the takeout and I had stowed the main with a boom in the cabin. I was going to start the ob when she lost way completely but she never did. With no canvas up she kept sailing across the 3 knots of wind right on course. Amazing little boats.
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On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, I know this has mostly to do with experience and such, but what kind of wind are you all comfortable in with your Monty. Had a nice day today but was blowing 20+ and I wasn't sure. So better on the driveway wishing I was sailing than vice versa!
Beer
Sounds like a "fish story", I know. I was in a small lake so there was no current. Best I have been able to come up with was the wind hitting the mast over the beam must have been enough to propel her to the ramp. I sailed that boat a lot so had a feel for the overrun once I dropped all the sails but she just kept going. She had enough way on for me to actually steer her to the ramp. Fun. Old Buddhist saying, "Beyond a wholesome discipline be gentle with yourself, go sailing." Tom B This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2115-a> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:47 PM, David Rifkind <drifkind@acm.org> wrote:
On Mar 13, 2016, at 8:57 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
With no canvas up she kept sailing across the 3 knots of wind right on course.
It must have been downhill.
As the others have said indirectly, comfort is not so much a function of wind speed in isolation as it is a function of the seas that the wind whips up. Wave height and steepness, in turn, are not just a function of wind speed, but also depend on fetch, water depth and whether the wind is blowing with or against a tide or current. Within the limits of the boat's equipment, you can always deal with more wind by reducing sail, flattening sail and dumping the traveler. But an M17 relentlessly slamming itself down into the troughs between steep oncoming seas gets pretty old pretty fast. Surfing those same waves is exciting but demands total concentration, which can be fatiguing in its own way. Of course, you can take those waves on the beam, but then you are just going back and forth like John Kerry on his kite-board. As I recall, your M17 has a roller furling genoa, only one reef in the main, and no traveler which taken together will limit your ability to compensate for high winds even if the seas remain fairly settled. You'll have to experiment for yourself, but 20 kts probably is a good benchmark. Another thing that bears remembering in this context is that wind force increases exponentially with wind speed. There is a significant difference between an increase from 10 to 15 kts and an increase from 15 to 20 kts, and the curve only gets steeper after that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:34:29 PM Subject: M_Boats: Wind comfort Hi all, I know this has mostly to do with experience and such, but what kind of wind are you all comfortable in with your Monty. Had a nice day today but was blowing 20+ and I wasn't sure. So better on the driveway wishing I was sailing than vice versa! Beer
Thanks guys, you are confirming my thoughts exactly. I'll ease into the big winds and let my experience build. Then in the summer, there will be no wind, so I'll be safe. LOL Jazz On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 9:53 AM, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
As the others have said indirectly, comfort is not so much a function of wind speed in isolation as it is a function of the seas that the wind whips up. Wave height and steepness, in turn, are not just a function of wind speed, but also depend on fetch, water depth and whether the wind is blowing with or against a tide or current. Within the limits of the boat's equipment, you can always deal with more wind by reducing sail, flattening sail and dumping the traveler. But an M17 relentlessly slamming itself down into the troughs between steep oncoming seas gets pretty old pretty fast. Surfing those same waves is exciting but demands total concentration, which can be fatiguing in its own way. Of course, you can take those waves on the beam, but then you are just going back and forth like John Kerry on his kite-board.
As I recall, your M17 has a roller furling genoa, only one reef in the main, and no traveler which taken together will limit your ability to compensate for high winds even if the seas remain fairly settled. You'll have to experiment for yourself, but 20 kts probably is a good benchmark.
Another thing that bears remembering in this context is that wind force increases exponentially with wind speed. There is a significant difference between an increase from 10 to 15 kts and an increase from 15 to 20 kts, and the curve only gets steeper after that.
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From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:34:29 PM Subject: M_Boats: Wind comfort
Hi all, I know this has mostly to do with experience and such, but what kind of wind are you all comfortable in with your Monty. Had a nice day today but was blowing 20+ and I wasn't sure. So better on the driveway wishing I was sailing than vice versa!
Beer
My sailin' is a little like my snowboardin': a series of linked recoveries (sometimes not a joke)! I know just enough to get myself in to trouble but also to get myself out too (many times putting on a show for those around/on land) If was was always boring nobody would be doin' it... Enough words of wisdom/cliche's? Enjoy yourself and if anyone else is on board make it seem like your on top of it and stay chill! Yes to the actual advice above. Tim northern MI flush deck M17 On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks guys, you are confirming my thoughts exactly. I'll ease into the big winds and let my experience build. Then in the summer, there will be no wind, so I'll be safe. LOL
Jazz
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 9:53 AM, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
As the others have said indirectly, comfort is not so much a function of wind speed in isolation as it is a function of the seas that the wind whips up. Wave height and steepness, in turn, are not just a function of wind speed, but also depend on fetch, water depth and whether the wind is blowing with or against a tide or current. Within the limits of the boat's equipment, you can always deal with more wind by reducing sail, flattening sail and dumping the traveler. But an M17 relentlessly slamming itself down into the troughs between steep oncoming seas gets pretty old pretty fast. Surfing those same waves is exciting but demands total concentration, which can be fatiguing in its own way. Of course, you can take those waves on the beam, but then you are just going back and forth like John Kerry on his kite-board.
As I recall, your M17 has a roller furling genoa, only one reef in the main, and no traveler which taken together will limit your ability to compensate for high winds even if the seas remain fairly settled. You'll have to experiment for yourself, but 20 kts probably is a good benchmark.
Another thing that bears remembering in this context is that wind force increases exponentially with wind speed. There is a significant difference between an increase from 10 to 15 kts and an increase from 15 to 20 kts, and the curve only gets steeper after that.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 8:34:29 PM Subject: M_Boats: Wind comfort
Hi all, I know this has mostly to do with experience and such, but what kind of wind are you all comfortable in with your Monty. Had a nice day today but was blowing 20+ and I wasn't sure. So better on the driveway wishing I was sailing than vice versa!
Beer
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