How do you rig your jib downhaul? For several years I've been using some paracord as my downhaul. I attach the end of this paracord to the jib halyard shackle, lace the cord thru every other hank as it runs down the forestay, and run it back to clam cleat at the cockpit using the stock blocks and eyes. The problem is this paracord is very thin and not so nice to handle. A thicker line wouldn't fit in the hanks and if it did, it would probably jam when I try to haul the jib down. I've considered adding a few rings on the forestay to guide a thicker downhaul, but want to know what others do before I start. Charlie -- M-15 #411 Atlanta GA USA
3/16 dacron from the halyard shackle to a small block on the bow chainplate and back to a captive jam cleat at the cockpit. Just tensioning it a bit after raising the jib stops it from flogging, no need to lace it through shackles or adding rings. On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 1:22 PM Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
How do you rig your jib downhaul?
For several years I've been using some paracord as my downhaul. I attach the end of this paracord to the jib halyard shackle, lace the cord thru every other hank as it runs down the forestay, and run it back to clam cleat at the cockpit using the stock blocks and eyes.
The problem is this paracord is very thin and not so nice to handle. A thicker line wouldn't fit in the hanks and if it did, it would probably jam when I try to haul the jib down.
I've considered adding a few rings on the forestay to guide a thicker downhaul, but want to know what others do before I start.
Charlie -- M-15 #411 Atlanta GA USA
Use a 3/16" line. Tie a bowline around the second from the top hank. Alternate the line past next two hanks, for example port then starboard, and then lead straight to a block near the bow plate. Then lead the aft. Attaching to the hank and/or lacing through all the hanks will cause jamming. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 13:22 Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
How do you rig your jib downhaul?
For several years I've been using some paracord as my downhaul. I attach the end of this paracord to the jib halyard shackle, lace the cord thru every other hank as it runs down the forestay, and run it back to clam cleat at the cockpit using the stock blocks and eyes.
The problem is this paracord is very thin and not so nice to handle. A thicker line wouldn't fit in the hanks and if it did, it would probably jam when I try to haul the jib down.
I've considered adding a few rings on the forestay to guide a thicker downhaul, but want to know what others do before I start.
Charlie -- M-15 #411 Atlanta GA USA
Do you re-run the downhaul whenever you change sails? Or have you come up with a way to use multiple lines and stow each with its sail? Trying to picture it in my head, I'm not seeing a huge payoff, but it's an interesting thought... On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 4:54 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a 3/16" line. Tie a bowline around the second from the top hank. Alternate the line past next two hanks, for example port then starboard, and then lead straight to a block near the bow plate. Then lead the aft.
Attaching to the hank and/or lacing through all the hanks will cause jamming.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 13:22 Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
How do you rig your jib downhaul?
For several years I've been using some paracord as my downhaul. I attach the end of this paracord to the jib halyard shackle, lace the cord thru every other hank as it runs down the forestay, and run it back to clam cleat at the cockpit using the stock blocks and eyes.
The problem is this paracord is very thin and not so nice to handle. A thicker line wouldn't fit in the hanks and if it did, it would probably jam when I try to haul the jib down.
I've considered adding a few rings on the forestay to guide a thicker downhaul, but want to know what others do before I start.
Charlie -- M-15 #411 Atlanta GA USA
Jennifer: Actually the bowline doesn't need to be undone. When you unhank the sail the downhaul comes loose. After hanking on the new sail run the line port to starboard of hanks 4 & 3 from top/head and undo the second to the hank and put bowline loop the into place and reattach Hank to forestay. I actually kept the downhaul in place when the boat is trailered/de-rigged. Just pull the line until the bowline loop jams in the block at the bow plate and tie it off at the cockpit as you usually would. Means one last line to completely take off the boat. Done this on M15, M17, Sage 15 and Sage 17. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 15:11 Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
Do you re-run the downhaul whenever you change sails? Or have you come up with a way to use multiple lines and stow each with its sail?
Trying to picture it in my head, I'm not seeing a huge payoff, but it's an interesting thought...
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 4:54 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a 3/16" line. Tie a bowline around the second from the top hank. Alternate the line past next two hanks, for example port then starboard, and then lead straight to a block near the bow plate. Then lead the aft.
Attaching to the hank and/or lacing through all the hanks will cause jamming.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 13:22 Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
How do you rig your jib downhaul?
For several years I've been using some paracord as my downhaul. I attach the end of this paracord to the jib halyard shackle, lace the cord thru every other hank as it runs down the forestay, and run it back to clam cleat at the cockpit using the stock blocks and eyes.
The problem is this paracord is very thin and not so nice to handle. A thicker line wouldn't fit in the hanks and if it did, it would probably jam when I try to haul the jib down.
I've considered adding a few rings on the forestay to guide a thicker downhaul, but want to know what others do before I start.
Charlie -- M-15 #411 Atlanta GA USA
The previous owner set my M-15 up as Dave suggests, but with a clip instead of a bowline. The trick is to clip it into the hank in a way that it won't twist and generate friction. For me, the block is on the left side of the bow plate, so I clip it to the right side of the hank. Aside from that I don't weave it through the other hanks and have good luck with it. Swapping head sails would be just one extra clip! Sam On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 3:11 PM Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
Do you re-run the downhaul whenever you change sails? Or have you come up with a way to use multiple lines and stow each with its sail?
Trying to picture it in my head, I'm not seeing a huge payoff, but it's an interesting thought...
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 4:54 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a 3/16" line. Tie a bowline around the second from the top hank. Alternate the line past next two hanks, for example port then starboard, and then lead straight to a block near the bow plate. Then lead the aft.
Attaching to the hank and/or lacing through all the hanks will cause jamming.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 13:22 Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
How do you rig your jib downhaul?
For several years I've been using some paracord as my downhaul. I attach the end of this paracord to the jib halyard shackle, lace the cord thru every other hank as it runs down the forestay, and run it back to clam cleat at the cockpit using the stock blocks and eyes.
The problem is this paracord is very thin and not so nice to handle. A thicker line wouldn't fit in the hanks and if it did, it would probably jam when I try to haul the jib down.
I've considered adding a few rings on the forestay to guide a thicker downhaul, but want to know what others do before I start.
Charlie -- M-15 #411 Atlanta GA USA
I had a jib downhaul line prior to getting my furler. M-17 but same basic setup. Small block at bottom of forestay, attached to rear position in bow chainplate. Tied a loop in one end of downhaul line and attached to top hank. But whoever suggested one hank down, that might work better. I did not thread it thru multiple hanks, or around alternating sides of hanks between forestay and jib leech, as I found that led to excess friction and/or jamming. One hank half way down, or one pass-thru, seemed OK most times, but more than that seemed problematic. I took up the slack on the downhaul once the jib was up and that did it for my case, the downhaul did not flog. cheers, John On 3/15/23 15:40, Sam wrote:
The previous owner set my M-15 up as Dave suggests, but with a clip instead of a bowline. The trick is to clip it into the hank in a way that it won't twist and generate friction. For me, the block is on the left side of the bow plate, so I clip it to the right side of the hank. Aside from that I don't weave it through the other hanks and have good luck with it. Swapping head sails would be just one extra clip!
Sam
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 3:11 PM Jennifer Wood < jennifer@buskersguidetotheuniverse.org> wrote:
Do you re-run the downhaul whenever you change sails? Or have you come up with a way to use multiple lines and stow each with its sail?
Trying to picture it in my head, I'm not seeing a huge payoff, but it's an interesting thought...
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 4:54 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a 3/16" line. Tie a bowline around the second from the top hank. Alternate the line past next two hanks, for example port then starboard, and then lead straight to a block near the bow plate. Then lead the aft.
Attaching to the hank and/or lacing through all the hanks will cause jamming.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 13:22 Charlie Fortner <charlie@rentrof.net> wrote:
How do you rig your jib downhaul?
For several years I've been using some paracord as my downhaul. I attach the end of this paracord to the jib halyard shackle, lace the cord thru every other hank as it runs down the forestay, and run it back to clam cleat at the cockpit using the stock blocks and eyes.
The problem is this paracord is very thin and not so nice to handle. A thicker line wouldn't fit in the hanks and if it did, it would probably jam when I try to haul the jib down.
I've considered adding a few rings on the forestay to guide a thicker downhaul, but want to know what others do before I start.
Charlie -- M-15 #411 Atlanta GA USA
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