Greetings from a new M17 owner
Hello folks, My name is Keith Martin, I live in Burnaby, BC, Canada, ( a suburb of Vancouver). After a year long search I am thrilled to have just completed purchase and brought home to Canada my dream boat a 1982 M17, hull # 353, "Serenity". I am an electronics engineer by profession and have been a sailing enthusiast for a good part of my life. I served the last 10 years of a 25 year tenure with Scouts Canada running a Sea Scout Troop with a fleet ranging from 8 ft sabots up to a 24 ft fixed keel sloop. Having "done my time" with the Troop, I had been looking over the past year for an affordable, but CAPABLE boat for personal use to do some solo coastal cruising here in BC ( my wife Liz is a little like a cat, she likes to drink water, not so crazy about riding on it so I am going to be on my own a good bit of the time). After months of research, a lot of it available thanks to this strong Monty user community I set my sights on an M17. After 8 months of looking I found "Serenity". A little bit about "Serenity"... From what I gather she has spent a good part of her life in Arizona, sailing fresh water, with a few trips to the Sea of Cortez. The owners that I purchased her from have been sailing her on Lake Pleasant AZ just north of Phoenix. The owners previous to them were apparently located in Tuscon AZ. She is the 4 berth version and appears to be in nearly stock configuration with no modifications. I am looking forward to getting her out in the chuck for a couple of shakedown day sails in the near future. That's all for now, I just wanted to introduce myself and to say thank you to this group of active owners who have provided so much information online, it really made a huge impact on my due diligence and selection process... Keith M17-353, Serenity -- Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.
Welcome aboard, Keith, I went through the same process when I began to retire in 2007. I must have been under a lucky star, because after I had decided on an M17, one showed up for sale barely ten miles from my house. She has been (and is) a dream boat, and I've been happily sailing and racing her ever since. You'll never regret your decision. You can find the answer to any question from the Montgomery community, plus advice and moral support for any project you take on. Fair winds, Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Monday, September 2, 2013, Keith R. Martin wrote:
Hello folks,
My name is Keith Martin, I live in Burnaby, BC, Canada, ( a suburb of Vancouver). After a year long search I am thrilled to have just completed purchase and brought home to Canada my dream boat a 1982 M17, hull # 353, "Serenity".
I am an electronics engineer by profession and have been a sailing enthusiast for a good part of my life. I served the last 10 years of a 25 year tenure with Scouts Canada running a Sea Scout Troop with a fleet ranging from 8 ft sabots up to a 24 ft fixed keel sloop.
Having "done my time" with the Troop, I had been looking over the past year for an affordable, but CAPABLE boat for personal use to do some solo coastal cruising here in BC ( my wife Liz is a little like a cat, she likes to drink water, not so crazy about riding on it so I am going to be on my own a good bit of the time).
After months of research, a lot of it available thanks to this strong Monty user community I set my sights on an M17. After 8 months of looking I found "Serenity".
A little bit about "Serenity"... From what I gather she has spent a good part of her life in Arizona, sailing fresh water, with a few trips to the Sea of Cortez. The owners that I purchased her from have been sailing her on Lake Pleasant AZ just north of Phoenix. The owners previous to them were apparently located in Tuscon AZ. She is the 4 berth version and appears to be in nearly stock configuration with no modifications.
I am looking forward to getting her out in the chuck for a couple of shakedown day sails in the near future.
That's all for now, I just wanted to introduce myself and to say thank you to this group of active owners who have provided so much information online, it really made a huge impact on my due diligence and selection process...
Keith M17-353, Serenity
-- Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.
Keith, I have an M-15 on the other end of our great inland waterway, I am on South Puget Sound. There are several of us M-boaters on the Sound, including your area and Port Townsend. This list is a good way to contact the group. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith R. Martin" <keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:29 PM Subject: M_Boats: Greetings from a new M17 owner
Hello folks,
My name is Keith Martin, I live in Burnaby, BC, Canada, ( a suburb of Vancouver). After a year long search I am thrilled to have just completed purchase and brought home to Canada my dream boat a 1982 M17, hull # 353, "Serenity".
I am an electronics engineer by profession and have been a sailing enthusiast for a good part of my life. I served the last 10 years of a 25 year tenure with Scouts Canada running a Sea Scout Troop with a fleet ranging from 8 ft sabots up to a 24 ft fixed keel sloop.
Having "done my time" with the Troop, I had been looking over the past year for an affordable, but CAPABLE boat for personal use to do some solo coastal cruising here in BC ( my wife Liz is a little like a cat, she likes to drink water, not so crazy about riding on it so I am going to be on my own a good bit of the time).
After months of research, a lot of it available thanks to this strong Monty user community I set my sights on an M17. After 8 months of looking I found "Serenity".
A little bit about "Serenity"... From what I gather she has spent a good part of her life in Arizona, sailing fresh water, with a few trips to the Sea of Cortez. The owners that I purchased her from have been sailing her on Lake Pleasant AZ just north of Phoenix. The owners previous to them were apparently located in Tuscon AZ. She is the 4 berth version and appears to be in nearly stock configuration with no modifications.
I am looking forward to getting her out in the chuck for a couple of shakedown day sails in the near future.
That's all for now, I just wanted to introduce myself and to say thank you to this group of active owners who have provided so much information online, it really made a huge impact on my due diligence and selection process...
Keith M17-353, Serenity
-- Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.
Keith, congrats on finding your dream boat. I just got home from sailing on Lake Pleasant then read your note. We got chased off early today due to an incoming dust storm. Nothing you need to worry about in BC. Good luck with your boat. Regards, Ron M17 #675 Jackpot ________________________________ From: Keith R. Martin <keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 12:29 PM Subject: M_Boats: Greetings from a new M17 owner Hello folks, My name is Keith Martin, I live in Burnaby, BC, Canada, ( a suburb of Vancouver). After a year long search I am thrilled to have just completed purchase and brought home to Canada my dream boat a 1982 M17, hull # 353, "Serenity". I am an electronics engineer by profession and have been a sailing enthusiast for a good part of my life. I served the last 10 years of a 25 year tenure with Scouts Canada running a Sea Scout Troop with a fleet ranging from 8 ft sabots up to a 24 ft fixed keel sloop. Having "done my time" with the Troop, I had been looking over the past year for an affordable, but CAPABLE boat for personal use to do some solo coastal cruising here in BC ( my wife Liz is a little like a cat, she likes to drink water, not so crazy about riding on it so I am going to be on my own a good bit of the time). After months of research, a lot of it available thanks to this strong Monty user community I set my sights on an M17. After 8 months of looking I found "Serenity". A little bit about "Serenity"... From what I gather she has spent a good part of her life in Arizona, sailing fresh water, with a few trips to the Sea of Cortez. The owners that I purchased her from have been sailing her on Lake Pleasant AZ just north of Phoenix. The owners previous to them were apparently located in Tuscon AZ. She is the 4 berth version and appears to be in nearly stock configuration with no modifications. I am looking forward to getting her out in the chuck for a couple of shakedown day sails in the near future. That's all for now, I just wanted to introduce myself and to say thank you to this group of active owners who have provided so much information online, it really made a huge impact on my due diligence and selection process... Keith M17-353, Serenity -- Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.
Greetings from Port Townsend, Keith. This is our first summer sailing our 1982 M17. We are loving her. Summer winds are mild here so it has been a pleasure getting used to her in such forgiving climate. Welcome to the group. Pam M17 Lily hull # 336 On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Keith R. Martin wrote:
Hello folks,
My name is Keith Martin, I live in Burnaby, BC, Canada, ( a suburb of Vancouver). After a year long search I am thrilled to have just completed purchase and brought home to Canada my dream boat a 1982 M17, hull # 353, "Serenity".
I am an electronics engineer by profession and have been a sailing enthusiast for a good part of my life. I served the last 10 years of a 25 year tenure with Scouts Canada running a Sea Scout Troop with a fleet ranging from 8 ft sabots up to a 24 ft fixed keel sloop.
Having "done my time" with the Troop, I had been looking over the past year for an affordable, but CAPABLE boat for personal use to do some solo coastal cruising here in BC ( my wife Liz is a little like a cat, she likes to drink water, not so crazy about riding on it so I am going to be on my own a good bit of the time).
After months of research, a lot of it available thanks to this strong Monty user community I set my sights on an M17. After 8 months of looking I found "Serenity".
A little bit about "Serenity"... From what I gather she has spent a good part of her life in Arizona, sailing fresh water, with a few trips to the Sea of Cortez. The owners that I purchased her from have been sailing her on Lake Pleasant AZ just north of Phoenix. The owners previous to them were apparently located in Tuscon AZ. She is the 4 berth version and appears to be in nearly stock configuration with no modifications.
I am looking forward to getting her out in the chuck for a couple of shakedown day sails in the near future.
That's all for now, I just wanted to introduce myself and to say thank you to this group of active owners who have provided so much information online, it really made a huge impact on my due diligence and selection process...
Keith M17-353, Serenity
-- Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.
Hi Keith, You have about the best boat you could find for what you intend to do with it. Hope you decide to share your experiences with her, both good and bad (unintended). I am planning this coming year on visiting Vancouver. Perhaps I will give you a call and if you are willing we (wife and I) would like to sail some and see your part of the world from the water. I caught her the other day replaying a film clip from another Monty site which has the sound track also. She likes the sound of the water swishing by and the sights of a well found boat parting the waters. She is as enthusiastic as I to get our boat ready to sail. Fair winds, Tom B, M17,#258 On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello folks,
My name is Keith Martin, I live in Burnaby, BC, Canada, ( a suburb of Vancouver). After a year long search I am thrilled to have just completed purchase and brought home to Canada my dream boat a 1982 M17, hull # 353, "Serenity".
I am an electronics engineer by profession and have been a sailing enthusiast for a good part of my life. I served the last 10 years of a 25 year tenure with Scouts Canada running a Sea Scout Troop with a fleet ranging from 8 ft sabots up to a 24 ft fixed keel sloop.
Having "done my time" with the Troop, I had been looking over the past year for an affordable, but CAPABLE boat for personal use to do some solo coastal cruising here in BC ( my wife Liz is a little like a cat, she likes to drink water, not so crazy about riding on it so I am going to be on my own a good bit of the time).
After months of research, a lot of it available thanks to this strong Monty user community I set my sights on an M17. After 8 months of looking I found "Serenity".
A little bit about "Serenity"... From what I gather she has spent a good part of her life in Arizona, sailing fresh water, with a few trips to the Sea of Cortez. The owners that I purchased her from have been sailing her on Lake Pleasant AZ just north of Phoenix. The owners previous to them were apparently located in Tuscon AZ. She is the 4 berth version and appears to be in nearly stock configuration with no modifications.
I am looking forward to getting her out in the chuck for a couple of shakedown day sails in the near future.
That's all for now, I just wanted to introduce myself and to say thank you to this group of active owners who have provided so much information online, it really made a huge impact on my due diligence and selection process...
Keith M17-353, Serenity
-- Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.
Hello! This is Tyler from Southern California (Riverside). I'm between boats (I just sold my 1974 Catalina 22) and am saving money and looking for a Montgomery 15. I think this is the boat I want, but I've never seen one in person. In particular, I'd like to lay down in the cabin to see if it's big enough for me to sleep comfortably (I'm 6'2" tall). Does anyone in SoCal have one they'd like some volunteer crew for a daysail and/or race? I'm an experienced sailor who listens well to instructions. I'll be moving up to Davis, CA in a few months, so if I don't find anyone down here, I'd also be interested in crewing anywhere in the Delta or Bay areas. Long term I'd like to buy a Montgomery 15 for cruising and exploring the California Delta and San Francisco Bay with my wife & small dog. Thanks! Tyler
Can't help with a boat to look at, but as a 6' 3" guy can say that you will be able to stretch out OK on the M15 V-berth. I tried it myself when I went out with Daniel several weeks ago. The cabin is amazingly spacious for a 15 ft. boat. No compression post helps a lot, as does no dagger or center board trunk intruding in any significant way. You won't be able to sit up completely straight under the cabin roof, but with the hatch slid open you can sit on the center "notch" in the v-berth with top of head just above hatch/roof level. Not much help if it's raining (tarp tent over boom will take care of that), but nice to be able to sit up somewhere in the boat besides the cockpit. cheers, John S. On 09/03/2013 11:37 AM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:
Hello! This is Tyler from Southern California (Riverside).
I'm between boats (I just sold my 1974 Catalina 22) and am saving money and looking for a Montgomery 15. I think this is the boat I want, but I've never seen one in person. In particular, I'd like to lay down in the cabin to see if it's big enough for me to sleep comfortably (I'm 6'2" tall).
Does anyone in SoCal have one they'd like some volunteer crew for a daysail and/or race? I'm an experienced sailor who listens well to instructions.
I'll be moving up to Davis, CA in a few months, so if I don't find anyone down here, I'd also be interested in crewing anywhere in the Delta or Bay areas. Long term I'd like to buy a Montgomery 15 for cruising and exploring the California Delta and San Francisco Bay with my wife & small dog.
Thanks!
Tyler
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Tyler, I did not see in your email if you are buying new or used. If getting used I would guess that someone of your height would be sailing a Monty 17 which is still uncomplicated to rig alone. I have the Monty 15 and it is easy to use sailing alone but I am 5'9". The 17 however is said to sail like a much larger sailboat. With your experience the Bay is not too big for a Monty 17 driven by someone with your experience......Just my 2 cents. This is a great forum and you will find all types information on the Montgomery. Don't forget, the new Montgomery Sage is being made now also. Fair Winds Tyler, ---- Larry in Sacramento. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:38 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California? Hello! This is Tyler from Southern California (Riverside). I'm between boats (I just sold my 1974 Catalina 22) and am saving money and looking for a Montgomery 15. I think this is the boat I want, but I've never seen one in person. In particular, I'd like to lay down in the cabin to see if it's big enough for me to sleep comfortably (I'm 6'2" tall). Does anyone in SoCal have one they'd like some volunteer crew for a daysail and/or race? I'm an experienced sailor who listens well to instructions. I'll be moving up to Davis, CA in a few months, so if I don't find anyone down here, I'd also be interested in crewing anywhere in the Delta or Bay areas. Long term I'd like to buy a Montgomery 15 for cruising and exploring the California Delta and San Francisco Bay with my wife & small dog. Thanks! Tyler
Thanks Larry, I am looking for a used one but I see they're very hard to find, so I will take Bob up on his offer to visit the factory and consider saving up for a new one. I'll take a look at the 17 but I'm pretty set on the 15. The small size and extreme simplicity really appeals to me.... I want something much lighter and smaller than my old Catalina 22, which was hard to trailer with my '84 Volvo and took too long to rig for daysailing. I am considering as an "exercise" in extreme simplicity that I may try setting up a Montgomery 15 for cruising with no electrical system, or motor (but w/ battery powered LED lights & oars). Tyler On Sep 5, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Hughston, Larry@DGS wrote:
Tyler, I did not see in your email if you are buying new or used. If getting used I would guess that someone of your height would be sailing a Monty 17 which is still uncomplicated to rig alone. I have the Monty 15 and it is easy to use sailing alone but I am 5'9". The 17 however is said to sail like a much larger sailboat. With your experience the Bay is not too big for a Monty 17 driven by someone with your experience......Just my 2 cents. This is a great forum and you will find all types information on the Montgomery. Don't forget, the new Montgomery Sage is being made now also.
Fair Winds Tyler, ---- Larry in Sacramento.
Hi Tyler, I have owned an M17 for a number of years. My first one back in 1983. They are easy to trail and rig but I found I would use it much more if I splurged and rented a slip at a marina, duh. They have a very good load capacity for their size. I have had as many as four adults at a time on my boat with no loss of performance. As far as use, the best boat for you is the one that you will use the most which means often how easy it is to rig and launch. The 15 is a better bet there. I did have my routine down to about 20 minutes from arrival to splash by myself with my 17. You would be wise to stretch out in a 15 before you get one. Or decide that isn't as important as you thought. I am only 6' but had plenty of room to stretch out in the 17. I found that adding a port in the cockpit wall helped with fresh air and light in the quarter berth which is quite narrow as you can imagine. Good luck. What could be more fun than shopping for a new sail boat? Tom On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
Thanks Larry,
I am looking for a used one but I see they're very hard to find, so I will take Bob up on his offer to visit the factory and consider saving up for a new one.
I'll take a look at the 17 but I'm pretty set on the 15. The small size and extreme simplicity really appeals to me.... I want something much lighter and smaller than my old Catalina 22, which was hard to trailer with my '84 Volvo and took too long to rig for daysailing.
I am considering as an "exercise" in extreme simplicity that I may try setting up a Montgomery 15 for cruising with no electrical system, or motor (but w/ battery powered LED lights & oars).
Tyler
On Sep 5, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Hughston, Larry@DGS wrote:
Tyler, I did not see in your email if you are buying new or used. If getting used I would guess that someone of your height would be sailing a Monty 17 which is still uncomplicated to rig alone. I have the Monty 15 and it is easy to use sailing alone but I am 5'9". The 17 however is said to sail like a much larger sailboat. With your experience the Bay is not too big for a Monty 17 driven by someone with your experience......Just my 2 cents. This is a great forum and you will find all types information on the Montgomery. Don't forget, the new Montgomery Sage is being made now also.
Fair Winds Tyler, ---- Larry in Sacramento.
Bob is great. I always got an answer from him by email. Very responsible person. Hope you find the M-15 to your liking. Check out the trailer too, very carefully. I had to spend $1000. On my trailer to get all working again. The extension had to be loosened by a professional with heat. I keep it greased now. I had to rebuild the bunks also and I used "veranda" composite "wood" with stainless bolts. I never want to do that again ! My Monty is from 1981 and is pretty solid. If you decide to get an outboard for aux power I have heard good things about the Honda 2 hp. The one drawback of the Honda is that it is aircooled. Not the best when exposed to salt water and salt air. Keep us all posted on the new acquisition. ---Larry with M15 Old in 189. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Backman Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:44 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California? Thanks Larry, I am looking for a used one but I see they're very hard to find, so I will take Bob up on his offer to visit the factory and consider saving up for a new one. I'll take a look at the 17 but I'm pretty set on the 15. The small size and extreme simplicity really appeals to me.... I want something much lighter and smaller than my old Catalina 22, which was hard to trailer with my '84 Volvo and took too long to rig for daysailing. I am considering as an "exercise" in extreme simplicity that I may try setting up a Montgomery 15 for cruising with no electrical system, or motor (but w/ battery powered LED lights & oars). Tyler On Sep 5, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Hughston, Larry@DGS wrote:
Tyler, I did not see in your email if you are buying new or used. If getting used I would guess that someone of your height would be sailing a Monty 17 which is still uncomplicated to rig alone. I have the Monty 15 and it is easy to use sailing alone but I am 5'9". The 17 however is said to sail like a much larger sailboat. With your experience the Bay is not too big for a Monty 17 driven by someone with your experience......Just my 2 cents. This is a great forum and you will find all types information on the Montgomery. Don't forget, the new Montgomery Sage is being made now also.
Fair Winds Tyler, ---- Larry in Sacramento.
That was my experience with my Catalina 22 also- the trailer can end up being more work to maintain than the boat! For my extending tongue it was so rusted I had to cut out and replace all of the associated metal, as well as replace the brakes, lights, bearings, and bunks. Do Monty 15 trailers typically have brakes? I think with an monty my Volvo could handle it safely without trailer brakes which would reduce maintenance and corrosion issues somewhat. I was previously looking at the Potter 15 and mostly switched my interest to the Monty because I heard it can point much better. I've been slowly working my way up to engineless cruising, sailing my C22 for several years with my old 1966 Evinrude in the cockpit locker ready to mount... and found that I never needed it. Sometimes marinas get angry about visitors docking under sail- but seemingly less so the smaller the vessel. So I think I can cruise without a motor but if and only if I have a boat that can go to windward about as well as a C22. Still, the 2hp honda does sound like a really light and simple motor, so perhaps I will try getting one but also keeping it in the cockpit locker for emergencies only. Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry@DGS Hughston" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:01:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California? Bob is great. I always got an answer from him by email. Very responsible person. Hope you find the M-15 to your liking. Check out the trailer too, very carefully. I had to spend $1000. On my trailer to get all working again. The extension had to be loosened by a professional with heat. I keep it greased now. I had to rebuild the bunks also and I used "veranda" composite "wood" with stainless bolts. I never want to do that again ! My Monty is from 1981 and is pretty solid. If you decide to get an outboard for aux power I have heard good things about the Honda 2 hp. The one drawback of the Honda is that it is aircooled. Not the best when exposed to salt water and salt air. Keep us all posted on the new acquisition. ---Larry with M15 Old in 189.
Tyler, I don't like gasoline on board, so I went for the Torqeedo electric outboard on my M17. It costs twice as much as the Honda 2.5, but it is a wonderful device if you mostly sail. However, if you anticipate motoring 15 or 20 miles, the Honda is the way to go, or perhaps a Lehr propane job. Tom On Sep 5, 2013, at 11:07 AM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:
That was my experience with my Catalina 22 also- the trailer can end up being more work to maintain than the boat! For my extending tongue it was so rusted I had to cut out and replace all of the associated metal, as well as replace the brakes, lights, bearings, and bunks.
Do Monty 15 trailers typically have brakes? I think with an monty my Volvo could handle it safely without trailer brakes which would reduce maintenance and corrosion issues somewhat.
I was previously looking at the Potter 15 and mostly switched my interest to the Monty because I heard it can point much better. I've been slowly working my way up to engineless cruising, sailing my C22 for several years with my old 1966 Evinrude in the cockpit locker ready to mount... and found that I never needed it. Sometimes marinas get angry about visitors docking under sail- but seemingly less so the smaller the vessel. So I think I can cruise without a motor but if and only if I have a boat that can go to windward about as well as a C22.
Still, the 2hp honda does sound like a really light and simple motor, so perhaps I will try getting one but also keeping it in the cockpit locker for emergencies only.
Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry@DGS Hughston" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:01:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California?
Bob is great. I always got an answer from him by email. Very responsible person. Hope you find the M-15 to your liking. Check out the trailer too, very carefully. I had to spend $1000. On my trailer to get all working again. The extension had to be loosened by a professional with heat. I keep it greased now. I had to rebuild the bunks also and I used "veranda" composite "wood" with stainless bolts. I never want to do that again ! My Monty is from 1981 and is pretty solid. If you decide to get an outboard for aux power I have heard good things about the Honda 2 hp. The one drawback of the Honda is that it is aircooled. Not the best when exposed to salt water and salt air. Keep us all posted on the new acquisition. ---Larry with M15 Old in 189.
Tyler, Connie contacted you I see. He has so much knowledge about sailing in general and the Montgomery specifically. He could easily write a book on the art and craft of sailing. Stay in touch with him. He has been around this forum for years. He is an invaluable resource. Just my 2 cents......Larry in Old 189 M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:07 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California? That was my experience with my Catalina 22 also- the trailer can end up being more work to maintain than the boat! For my extending tongue it was so rusted I had to cut out and replace all of the associated metal, as well as replace the brakes, lights, bearings, and bunks. Do Monty 15 trailers typically have brakes? I think with an monty my Volvo could handle it safely without trailer brakes which would reduce maintenance and corrosion issues somewhat. I was previously looking at the Potter 15 and mostly switched my interest to the Monty because I heard it can point much better. I've been slowly working my way up to engineless cruising, sailing my C22 for several years with my old 1966 Evinrude in the cockpit locker ready to mount... and found that I never needed it. Sometimes marinas get angry about visitors docking under sail- but seemingly less so the smaller the vessel. So I think I can cruise without a motor but if and only if I have a boat that can go to windward about as well as a C22. Still, the 2hp honda does sound like a really light and simple motor, so perhaps I will try getting one but also keeping it in the cockpit locker for emergencies only. Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry@DGS Hughston" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:01:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California? Bob is great. I always got an answer from him by email. Very responsible person. Hope you find the M-15 to your liking. Check out the trailer too, very carefully. I had to spend $1000. On my trailer to get all working again. The extension had to be loosened by a professional with heat. I keep it greased now. I had to rebuild the bunks also and I used "veranda" composite "wood" with stainless bolts. I never want to do that again ! My Monty is from 1981 and is pretty solid. If you decide to get an outboard for aux power I have heard good things about the Honda 2 hp. The one drawback of the Honda is that it is aircooled. Not the best when exposed to salt water and salt air. Keep us all posted on the new acquisition. ---Larry with M15 Old in 189.
Larry, I will see your 2, and raise you 2. cents. You are right about Connie. Welcome Tyler. Enjoy. Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622 On 2013-09-05, at 6:17 PM, "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> wrote:
Tyler, Connie contacted you I see. He has so much knowledge about sailing in general and the Montgomery specifically. He could easily write a book on the art and craft of sailing. Stay in touch with him. He has been around this forum for years. He is an invaluable resource. Just my 2 cents......Larry in Old 189 M-15
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:07 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California?
That was my experience with my Catalina 22 also- the trailer can end up being more work to maintain than the boat! For my extending tongue it was so rusted I had to cut out and replace all of the associated metal, as well as replace the brakes, lights, bearings, and bunks.
Do Monty 15 trailers typically have brakes? I think with an monty my Volvo could handle it safely without trailer brakes which would reduce maintenance and corrosion issues somewhat.
I was previously looking at the Potter 15 and mostly switched my interest to the Monty because I heard it can point much better. I've been slowly working my way up to engineless cruising, sailing my C22 for several years with my old 1966 Evinrude in the cockpit locker ready to mount... and found that I never needed it. Sometimes marinas get angry about visitors docking under sail- but seemingly less so the smaller the vessel. So I think I can cruise without a motor but if and only if I have a boat that can go to windward about as well as a C22.
Still, the 2hp honda does sound like a really light and simple motor, so perhaps I will try getting one but also keeping it in the cockpit locker for emergencies only.
Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry@DGS Hughston" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:01:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California?
Bob is great. I always got an answer from him by email. Very responsible person. Hope you find the M-15 to your liking. Check out the trailer too, very carefully. I had to spend $1000. On my trailer to get all working again. The extension had to be loosened by a professional with heat. I keep it greased now. I had to rebuild the bunks also and I used "veranda" composite "wood" with stainless bolts. I never want to do that again ! My Monty is from 1981 and is pretty solid. If you decide to get an outboard for aux power I have heard good things about the Honda 2 hp. The one drawback of the Honda is that it is aircooled. Not the best when exposed to salt water and salt air. Keep us all posted on the new acquisition. ---Larry with M15 Old in 189.
My M-15 trailer does not have brakes, but the boat and trailer are light enough that I have not had a problem towing it around Washington, Idaho, and Oregon, including up and over and down several mountain passes in those journeys. Steve M -15 #335 ----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California?
That was my experience with my Catalina 22 also- the trailer can end up being more work to maintain than the boat! For my extending tongue it was so rusted I had to cut out and replace all of the associated metal, as well as replace the brakes, lights, bearings, and bunks.
Do Monty 15 trailers typically have brakes? I think with an monty my Volvo could handle it safely without trailer brakes which would reduce maintenance and corrosion issues somewhat.
I was previously looking at the Potter 15 and mostly switched my interest to the Monty because I heard it can point much better. I've been slowly working my way up to engineless cruising, sailing my C22 for several years with my old 1966 Evinrude in the cockpit locker ready to mount... and found that I never needed it. Sometimes marinas get angry about visitors docking under sail- but seemingly less so the smaller the vessel. So I think I can cruise without a motor but if and only if I have a boat that can go to windward about as well as a C22.
Still, the 2hp honda does sound like a really light and simple motor, so perhaps I will try getting one but also keeping it in the cockpit locker for emergencies only.
Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry@DGS Hughston" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:01:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California?
Bob is great. I always got an answer from him by email. Very responsible person. Hope you find the M-15 to your liking. Check out the trailer too, very carefully. I had to spend $1000. On my trailer to get all working again. The extension had to be loosened by a professional with heat. I keep it greased now. I had to rebuild the bunks also and I used "veranda" composite "wood" with stainless bolts. I never want to do that again ! My Monty is from 1981 and is pretty solid. If you decide to get an outboard for aux power I have heard good things about the Honda 2 hp. The one drawback of the Honda is that it is aircooled. Not the best when exposed to salt water and salt air. Keep us all posted on the new acquisition. ---Larry with M15 Old in 189.
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We used to have an M15 in So Cal, going up and down the mountain to Big Bear once a season. It did fine with no brakes. We pulled with 4 x 4 "88 Landcruiser, a 4K vehicle. Best, Fran On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 9:48 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
My M-15 trailer does not have brakes, but the boat and trailer are light enough that I have not had a problem towing it around Washington, Idaho, and Oregon, including up and over and down several mountain passes in those journeys. Steve M -15 #335
----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California?
That was my experience with my Catalina 22 also- the trailer can end up being more work to maintain than the boat! For my extending tongue it was so rusted I had to cut out and replace all of the associated metal, as well as replace the brakes, lights, bearings, and bunks.
Do Monty 15 trailers typically have brakes? I think with an monty my Volvo could handle it safely without trailer brakes which would reduce maintenance and corrosion issues somewhat.
I was previously looking at the Potter 15 and mostly switched my interest to the Monty because I heard it can point much better. I've been slowly working my way up to engineless cruising, sailing my C22 for several years with my old 1966 Evinrude in the cockpit locker ready to mount... and found that I never needed it. Sometimes marinas get angry about visitors docking under sail- but seemingly less so the smaller the vessel. So I think I can cruise without a motor but if and only if I have a boat that can go to windward about as well as a C22.
Still, the 2hp honda does sound like a really light and simple motor, so perhaps I will try getting one but also keeping it in the cockpit locker for emergencies only.
Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry@DGS Hughston" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 9:01:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California?
Bob is great. I always got an answer from him by email. Very responsible person. Hope you find the M-15 to your liking. Check out the trailer too, very carefully. I had to spend $1000. On my trailer to get all working again. The extension had to be loosened by a professional with heat. I keep it greased now. I had to rebuild the bunks also and I used "veranda" composite "wood" with stainless bolts. I never want to do that again ! My Monty is from 1981 and is pretty solid. If you decide to get an outboard for aux power I have heard good things about the Honda 2 hp. The one drawback of the Honda is that it is aircooled. Not the best when exposed to salt water and salt air. Keep us all posted on the new acquisition. ---Larry with M15 Old in 189.
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That's a very difficult climb! I've done it twice towing a Catalina 22 with a 1987 Volvo 740 Turbo, and it went without problems but was very slow and stressful as the boat weighs exactly the cars maximum towing capacity. I also spent weeks of hard greasy work before each of these two drives inspecting and upgrading the brakes, cooling system, and suspension on the Volvo. Still, escaping the summer heat for a sailing season in the mountains was worth it. As a plug for 80s Volvos as sailboat tow rigs, they're heavily over-engineered in much the same way as Lyle Hess's boat designs- nearly every system has at least twice the capacity you would expect for a car of that size. They're built with roughly the same philosophy- safety is first and foremost, but this safety is accomplished in a way that still provides impressive performance. Even more evidence that the M15 is the perfect boat for me- something I can tow to alpine lakes without the stress and hassle of trailer brakes, or of pushing my car to the edge of it's design limitations! Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran Lebowitz" <ftlebowitz@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:34:18 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 brakes? owners in Southern California? We used to have an M15 in So Cal, going up and down the mountain to Big Bear once a season. It did fine with no brakes. We pulled with 4 x 4 "88 Landcruiser, a 4K vehicle. Best, Fran
the Honda being air cooled is a _great_ advantage ... no impeller nor engine cooling tubes to service nor worry will clog with dried salt. saltwater and water cooled engines are a maintenance concern. used the Honda on my old M15 100% in saltwater. have three Honda 2HPs in the shop for use on a Moore 24, M15 and the Sage 17s. motors have been 100% reliable. my water cooled Suzuki 4HP, used on my M17, 'ate' one impeller in a year of saltwater use ... this is after flushing the motor after every trip. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com ________________________________ From: "Hughston, Larry@DGS" <Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov> Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 10:01 AM ... If you decide to get an outboard for aux power I have heard good things about the Honda 2 hp. The one drawback of the Honda is that it is aircooled. Not the best when exposed to salt water and salt air. ... ---Larry with M15 Old in 189.
On 05-Sep-13 11:43 AM, Tyler Backman wrote: Hi Tyler, We owned an M15 #400 for many years, having down-sized from a 29 foot sailboat,in order to get away from the obnoxious motorboat drivers infesting all our old quiet coastal hide-aways I think if you add the filler piece to the mattresses, you'll find that you can sleep very comfortably. The M15 is small enough so that we towed it behind a VW-Jetta wagon, and prior to that with a VW-GTI. It'll do 70 MPH to windward down an Interstate and you never even know that something is behind the car. It is easy to step the mast (after doing it the first time). An M15 is an absolute delight to sail. A trailer tongue extension makes launching and retrieving much easier. We used a 2 HP HONDA and it is a great power plant for the M15 (unless you want to tow a water skier, then you'll need more power). A lift motor mount, allows you to get the prop totally out of the water / or conversely, you can lower the engine so that the prop is deeper in the water. If you want to sail mostly by yourself - as I did toward the end of my sailing career - you'll find that a longer tiller is necessary so that you can sit as far forward in the cockpit as you can. That keeps the transom from dragging, which slows you down. A "Toolbox Galley" - see the M-site archives, solves that problem neatly. If you can't find the photos in the archives, send me an email and I can send you my photos so that you can see how it was made. Mine contained everything the two of us needed for living aboard; and it was extensively used on road trips as well. Good luck on your search. Connie Benneck ex M15 #400 LEPPO
Thanks Larry,
I am looking for a used one but I see they're very hard to find, so I will take Bob up on his offer to visit the factory and consider saving up for a new one.
I'll take a look at the 17 but I'm pretty set on the 15. The small size and extreme simplicity really appeals to me.... I want something much lighter and smaller than my old Catalina 22, which was hard to trailer with my '84 Volvo and took too long to rig for daysailing.
I am considering as an "exercise" in extreme simplicity that I may try setting up a Montgomery 15 for cruising with no electrical system, or motor (but w/ battery powered LED lights & oars).
Tyler
On Sep 5, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Hughston, Larry@DGS wrote:
Tyler, I did not see in your email if you are buying new or used. If getting used I would guess that someone of your height would be sailing a Monty 17 which is still uncomplicated to rig alone. I have the Monty 15 and it is easy to use sailing alone but I am 5'9". The 17 however is said to sail like a much larger sailboat. With your experience the Bay is not too big for a Monty 17 driven by someone with your experience......Just my 2 cents. This is a great forum and you will find all types information on the Montgomery. Don't forget, the new Montgomery Sage is being made now also.
Fair Winds Tyler, ---- Larry in Sacramento.
Connie, What is the "filler piece" for the mattress? I very much like your toolbox galley design! I currently use a canvas bag for a galley both sailing and car camping. The toolbox looks better, as it would contain accidental liquid spills and be washed out easier. I use an MSR backpacking stove, which folds up small and would likely fit inside of a toolbox galley. I may also use a VW for a tow vehicle- my wife has a mk4 TDI Golf that would be a very efficient way to trailer sail long distance (40+mpg?). My Volvo is a rare model with a VW diesel engine and was able to get nearly 25 miles per gallon towing a Catalina 22... I expect it could get 28 or better with an M15. It towed fine on the freeway however, it really struggled to get the 3,000lb C22 up a steep launch ramp. Very fuel efficient trailering with a small car would be amazing- I could afford to tow 1,000+ miles north to sail in the San Juans! Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2013 1:21:31 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California? On 05-Sep-13 11:43 AM, Tyler Backman wrote: Hi Tyler, We owned an M15 #400 for many years, having down-sized from a 29 foot sailboat,in order to get away from the obnoxious motorboat drivers infesting all our old quiet coastal hide-aways I think if you add the filler piece to the mattresses, you'll find that you can sleep very comfortably. The M15 is small enough so that we towed it behind a VW-Jetta wagon, and prior to that with a VW-GTI. It'll do 70 MPH to windward down an Interstate and you never even know that something is behind the car. It is easy to step the mast (after doing it the first time). An M15 is an absolute delight to sail. A trailer tongue extension makes launching and retrieving much easier. We used a 2 HP HONDA and it is a great power plant for the M15 (unless you want to tow a water skier, then you'll need more power). A lift motor mount, allows you to get the prop totally out of the water / or conversely, you can lower the engine so that the prop is deeper in the water. If you want to sail mostly by yourself - as I did toward the end of my sailing career - you'll find that a longer tiller is necessary so that you can sit as far forward in the cockpit as you can. That keeps the transom from dragging, which slows you down. A "Toolbox Galley" - see the M-site archives, solves that problem neatly. If you can't find the photos in the archives, send me an email and I can send you my photos so that you can see how it was made. Mine contained everything the two of us needed for living aboard; and it was extensively used on road trips as well. Good luck on your search. Connie Benneck ex M15 #400 LEPPO
Tyler Call me at 656 2945...I have an M15. Larry Watson From: "casioqv@usermail.com" <casioqv@usermail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 11:37 AM Subject: M_Boats: Any Montgomery 15 owners in Southern California? Hello! This is Tyler from Southern California (Riverside). I'm between boats (I just sold my 1974 Catalina 22) and am saving money and looking for a Montgomery 15. I think this is the boat I want, but I've never seen one in person. In particular, I'd like to lay down in the cabin to see if it's big enough for me to sleep comfortably (I'm 6'2" tall). Does anyone in SoCal have one they'd like some volunteer crew for a daysail and/or race? I'm an experienced sailor who listens well to instructions. I'll be moving up to Davis, CA in a few months, so if I don't find anyone down here, I'd also be interested in crewing anywhere in the Delta or Bay areas. Long term I'd like to buy a Montgomery 15 for cruising and exploring the California Delta and San Francisco Bay with my wife & small dog. Thanks! Tyler
Hi Keith, welcome to the world of Monty's. We live in Port Townsend and just got our M17' Lily in the water this year. Ours is a 1981' hull #336 and she is also a dream come true. My partner has been sailing awhile, but I am a novice and "Lily" is a wonderful teacher. Dana Kovac Sent from my iPad On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:29 PM, "Keith R. Martin" <keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello folks,
My name is Keith Martin, I live in Burnaby, BC, Canada, ( a suburb of Vancouver). After a year long search I am thrilled to have just completed purchase and brought home to Canada my dream boat a 1982 M17, hull # 353, "Serenity".
I am an electronics engineer by profession and have been a sailing enthusiast for a good part of my life. I served the last 10 years of a 25 year tenure with Scouts Canada running a Sea Scout Troop with a fleet ranging from 8 ft sabots up to a 24 ft fixed keel sloop.
Having "done my time" with the Troop, I had been looking over the past year for an affordable, but CAPABLE boat for personal use to do some solo coastal cruising here in BC ( my wife Liz is a little like a cat, she likes to drink water, not so crazy about riding on it so I am going to be on my own a good bit of the time).
After months of research, a lot of it available thanks to this strong Monty user community I set my sights on an M17. After 8 months of looking I found "Serenity".
A little bit about "Serenity"... From what I gather she has spent a good part of her life in Arizona, sailing fresh water, with a few trips to the Sea of Cortez. The owners that I purchased her from have been sailing her on Lake Pleasant AZ just north of Phoenix. The owners previous to them were apparently located in Tuscon AZ. She is the 4 berth version and appears to be in nearly stock configuration with no modifications.
I am looking forward to getting her out in the chuck for a couple of shakedown day sails in the near future.
That's all for now, I just wanted to introduce myself and to say thank you to this group of active owners who have provided so much information online, it really made a huge impact on my due diligence and selection process...
Keith M17-353, Serenity
-- Keith R. Martin, P.Eng.
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Bill Wickett -
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Conbert Benneck -
Dana And Pam -
Fran Lebowitz -
Hughston, Larry＠DGS -
John Schinnerer -
Keith R. Martin -
larry watson -
pam and dana
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Rick Davies -
Ronald McNeil -
stevetrapp -
Thomas Buzzi -
Tom Jenkins -
Tyler Backman
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W David Scobie