RE: M_Boats: spinnaker pictures
Good question Gil. I'm looking forward to flying a spinnaker on #496 next summer. I'd like to talk with somebody who's doing it and chat about hardware and track location and stuff like that. I've got the chute, do I have the cojones? /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed
Come on Tom, at least Jane will go out and help you. My wife gets sick just standing at the docks. Besides I saw a guy broach yesterday during a race and it wasn't to bad. They are still alive. gil -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:06 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: spinnaker pictures Good question Gil. I'm looking forward to flying a spinnaker on #496 next summer. I'd like to talk with somebody who's doing it and chat about hardware and track location and stuff like that. I've got the chute, do I have the cojones? /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Tom: I'm very interested in and asymmetrical spinnaker (A-sail) for the M17. The symmetrical spinnaker is a bother for single handing, although I've done it with my M15. Anybody know of an A-sail for an M17? I think it could be flown from the bow pulpit rather than a bow pole, but that may be optimistic. --Gary Hyde N24 'Sailabration' M17 #637 'Hydeaway2' M15 #235 'Vanilla' On Sep 15, 2005, at 2:05 PM, Tom Smith wrote:
Good question Gil. I'm looking forward to flying a spinnaker on #496 next summer. I'd like to talk with somebody who's doing it and chat about hardware and track location and stuff like that. I've got the chute, do I have the cojones?
/)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed
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Thanks tod, you are right I would not have been able to tell the b block goes to midmast, what about the red lines to D and F , do you think this are alternatives to blocks at the stern? gilbert -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of gmhyde1@mac.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:49 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: spinnaker pictures Tom: I'm very interested in and asymmetrical spinnaker (A-sail) for the M17. The symmetrical spinnaker is a bother for single handing, although I've done it with my M15. Anybody know of an A-sail for an M17? I think it could be flown from the bow pulpit rather than a bow pole, but that may be optimistic. --Gary Hyde N24 'Sailabration' M17 #637 'Hydeaway2' M15 #235 'Vanilla' On Sep 15, 2005, at 2:05 PM, Tom Smith wrote:
Good question Gil. I'm looking forward to flying a spinnaker on #496 next summer. I'd like to talk with somebody who's doing it and chat about hardware and track location and stuff like that. I've got the chute, do I have the cojones?
/)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed
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John, Do both sheets (guy and sheet) run directly to the transom blocks on Miss T? If I'm understanding you, you have a separate downhaul to control pole height? If you e-mail the pic to me I'd be happy to post it for everyone's viewing pleasure. Gilbert, On some small boats such as my Thistle, the guy (the sheet that goes to the poled tack of the spinnaker) runs from the tack down under a little hook near the shrouds, then back to the block at the rear. The sheet (unpoled clew) goes directly back to the block at the rear, skipping the hook. By hooking the guy, it helps hold the tack down, otherwise it tends to rise up and give a bad sail shape. The red lines in the Harken diagram are substitutes for the hook; tension the red line on the guy, and ease the red line on the sheet. When gybing, the guy becomes the sheet and it's red line is eased. The old sheet becomes the new guy and it's red line is tensioned. But, there are many ways to skin this cat..... Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Landin Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 10:32 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: spinnaker pictures Thanks tod, you are right I would not have been able to tell the b block goes to midmast, what about the red lines to D and F , do you think this are alternatives to blocks at the stern? gilbert -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of gmhyde1@mac.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:49 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: spinnaker pictures Tom: I'm very interested in and asymmetrical spinnaker (A-sail) for the M17. The symmetrical spinnaker is a bother for single handing, although I've done it with my M15. Anybody know of an A-sail for an M17? I think it could be flown from the bow pulpit rather than a bow pole, but that may be optimistic. --Gary Hyde N24 'Sailabration' M17 #637 'Hydeaway2' M15 #235 'Vanilla' On Sep 15, 2005, at 2:05 PM, Tom Smith wrote:
Good question Gil. I'm looking forward to flying a spinnaker on #496 next summer. I'd like to talk with somebody who's doing it and chat about hardware and track location and stuff like that. I've got the chute, do I have the cojones?
/)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed
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I have a nearly new asymmetrical spinnaker from Elliot-Pattison. I normally fly it single handed, but it takes a bit of effort to set it up. No poles are used. Long sheets run to the stern on either side, and are lead around the forestay, so the sail can by jibed without dropping it. Tack is to a line to a block on the stem and back to the cockpit. You can adjust the luff tension that way. It will close reach to maybe 60 or 70 degrees to the wind when all is set and adjusted right. But in very light air when you need it the most, I notice the tendency is to gain some speed...the wind dies....but the boat is still moving so the apparent wind shifts forward....the sail luffs...you fall off....gain speed....wind drops...etc. Bottom line is you tend to get pushed off the wind to well below a beam reach. Or maybe it's just me not knowing how to fly the thing. I think it's also a given than in light air days, the only gusts of wind you will get are shortly AFTER you hoist the thing. I think I'm batting about 80% on this one. Pretty exciting to be flying that too close to a lee shore and have 10 knots of wind show up out of no where. If I was only going a few miles...even in light air, I'd tough it out with the 155 genny....unless I was racing and had crew. But if you are doing 10 mile + crossing....and have some air....it may double your speed over the smaller sail. Going from 1 or 2 knots up to 2 to 4 is a big advantage then. Howard M17, #278 Audasea On 9/15/05 9:48 PM, "gmhyde1@mac.com" <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Tom: I'm very interested in and asymmetrical spinnaker (A-sail) for the M17. The symmetrical spinnaker is a bother for single handing, although I've done it with my M15.
Anybody know of an A-sail for an M17? I think it could be flown from the bow pulpit rather than a bow pole, but that may be optimistic. --Gary Hyde N24 'Sailabration' M17 #637 'Hydeaway2' M15 #235 'Vanilla'
I always thought a asymmetrical was flown same as a jib, am I wrong ? Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: spinnaker pictures
Tom: I'm very interested in and asymmetrical spinnaker (A-sail) for the M17. The symmetrical spinnaker is a bother for single handing, although I've done it with my M15.
Anybody know of an A-sail for an M17? I think it could be flown from the bow pulpit rather than a bow pole, but that may be optimistic. --Gary Hyde N24 'Sailabration' M17 #637 'Hydeaway2' M15 #235 'Vanilla'
On Sep 15, 2005, at 2:05 PM, Tom Smith wrote:
Good question Gil. I'm looking forward to flying a spinnaker on #496 next summer. I'd like to talk with somebody who's doing it and chat about hardware and track location and stuff like that. I've got the chute, do I have the cojones?
/)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed
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Gilbert Landin -
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Tom Smith -
Wayne Yeargain