Replacing companionway boards - options, advice
Hi all, I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine). What has anyone used for companionway boards? Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options. I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction? I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application. Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable. Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune. thanks, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
try contacting Dave Scobie at Sage- he had a big stack of 3/8 teak ply that looked pretty good- he uses it in the new 15. Dave has an M-17 that they can use for a pattern, but you'll probably need to cut the top to fit- no problem. This assuming that your boat is one that I made- if not, there might be changes. -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:22 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice Hi all, I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine). What has anyone used for companionway boards? Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options. I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction? I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application. Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable. Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune. thanks, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thanks...you mean 1/2" teak ply? My boards are 1/2" thick, not 3/8" - maybe the smaller companionway on the Sage 15 works with 3/8". Too thin for mine. Mine is one you made, #38, June 1974, back in the day... :-) cheers, John S. On 08/03/2017 03:30 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
try contacting Dave Scobie at Sage- he had a big stack of 3/8 teak ply that looked pretty good- he uses it in the new 15. Dave has an M-17 that they can use for a pattern, but you'll probably need to cut the top to fit- no problem. This assuming that your boat is one that I made- if not, there might be changes.
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:22 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice
Hi all,
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options.
I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction?
I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application.
Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable.
Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John: the boards on my M17 are 3/8". what year is your M17? SWEET PEA is an '83 using the v.2 deck mold (ie, no transom cutout). :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:44 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks...you mean 1/2" teak ply? My boards are 1/2" thick, not 3/8" - maybe the smaller companionway on the Sage 15 works with 3/8". Too thin for mine.
Mine is one you made, #38, June 1974, back in the day... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 08/03/2017 03:30 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
try contacting Dave Scobie at Sage- he had a big stack of 3/8 teak ply that looked pretty good- he uses it in the new 15. Dave has an M-17 that they can use for a pattern, but you'll probably need to cut the top to fit- no problem. This assuming that your boat is one that I made- if not, there might be changes.
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:22 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice
Hi all,
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options.
I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction?
I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application.
Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable.
Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
1974, #38. So maybe that changed - Jerry, were the OEM hatch boards on a boat like mine 1/2"? Sure looks like original hatch holder teak pieces. cheers, John S. On 08/04/2017 10:02 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
John:
the boards on my M17 are 3/8". what year is your M17? SWEET PEA is an '83 using the v.2 deck mold (ie, no transom cutout).
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:44 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks...you mean 1/2" teak ply? My boards are 1/2" thick, not 3/8" - maybe the smaller companionway on the Sage 15 works with 3/8". Too thin for mine.
Mine is one you made, #38, June 1974, back in the day... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 08/03/2017 03:30 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
try contacting Dave Scobie at Sage- he had a big stack of 3/8 teak ply that looked pretty good- he uses it in the new 15. Dave has an M-17 that they can use for a pattern, but you'll probably need to cut the top to fit- no problem. This assuming that your boat is one that I made- if not, there might be changes.
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:22 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice
Hi all,
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options.
I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction?
I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application.
Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable.
Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
No, they were 3/8. -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice 1974, #38. So maybe that changed - Jerry, were the OEM hatch boards on a boat like mine 1/2"? Sure looks like original hatch holder teak pieces. cheers, John S. On 08/04/2017 10:02 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
John:
the boards on my M17 are 3/8". what year is your M17? SWEET PEA is an '83 using the v.2 deck mold (ie, no transom cutout).
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:44 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks...you mean 1/2" teak ply? My boards are 1/2" thick, not 3/8" - maybe the smaller companionway on the Sage 15 works with 3/8". Too thin for mine.
Mine is one you made, #38, June 1974, back in the day... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 08/03/2017 03:30 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
try contacting Dave Scobie at Sage- he had a big stack of 3/8 teak ply that looked pretty good- he uses it in the new 15. Dave has an M-17 that they can use for a pattern, but you'll probably need to cut the top to fit- no problem. This assuming that your boat is one that I made- if not, there might be changes.
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:22 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice
Hi all,
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options.
I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction?
I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application.
Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable.
Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thanks - OK, I'll measure again...but I'm pretty sure mine are 1/2". I made a bunch of notes on the boat measurements, materials, etc., for to-do projects, so as not to have to go measure the same thing over and over when making supplies lists...and the notes say the existing boards are 1/2". Going sailing tomorrow, I'll double check. Maybe somewhere in the last 40 years of her life, someone changed that dimension... cheers, John S. On 08/04/2017 10:51 AM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
No, they were 3/8.
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice
1974, #38. So maybe that changed - Jerry, were the OEM hatch boards on a boat like mine 1/2"? Sure looks like original hatch holder teak pieces.
cheers, John S.
On 08/04/2017 10:02 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
John:
the boards on my M17 are 3/8". what year is your M17? SWEET PEA is an '83 using the v.2 deck mold (ie, no transom cutout).
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:44 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks...you mean 1/2" teak ply? My boards are 1/2" thick, not 3/8" - maybe the smaller companionway on the Sage 15 works with 3/8". Too thin for mine.
Mine is one you made, #38, June 1974, back in the day... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 08/03/2017 03:30 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
try contacting Dave Scobie at Sage- he had a big stack of 3/8 teak ply that looked pretty good- he uses it in the new 15. Dave has an M-17 that they can use for a pattern, but you'll probably need to cut the top to fit- no problem. This assuming that your boat is one that I made- if not, there might be changes.
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:22 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice
Hi all,
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options.
I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction?
I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application.
Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable.
Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
3/8, measured the original teak hatch boards on my 1985 M-15 # 335. Possibly slightly thinner from scrubbing and teak oil through the years, but 3/8 inch. Maybe the M-17 boards were slightly thicker ? Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 4:31 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice Thanks - OK, I'll measure again...but I'm pretty sure mine are 1/2". I made a bunch of notes on the boat measurements, materials, etc., for to-do projects, so as not to have to go measure the same thing over and over when making supplies lists...and the notes say the existing boards are 1/2". Going sailing tomorrow, I'll double check. Maybe somewhere in the last 40 years of her life, someone changed that dimension... cheers, John S. On 08/04/2017 10:51 AM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
No, they were 3/8.
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 10:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice
1974, #38. So maybe that changed - Jerry, were the OEM hatch boards on a boat like mine 1/2"? Sure looks like original hatch holder teak pieces.
cheers, John S.
On 08/04/2017 10:02 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
John:
the boards on my M17 are 3/8". what year is your M17? SWEET PEA is an '83 using the v.2 deck mold (ie, no transom cutout).
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:44 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks...you mean 1/2" teak ply? My boards are 1/2" thick, not 3/8" - maybe the smaller companionway on the Sage 15 works with 3/8". Too thin for mine.
Mine is one you made, #38, June 1974, back in the day... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 08/03/2017 03:30 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
try contacting Dave Scobie at Sage- he had a big stack of 3/8 teak ply that looked pretty good- he uses it in the new 15. Dave has an M-17 that they can use for a pattern, but you'll probably need to cut the top to fit- no problem. This assuming that your boat is one that I made- if not, there might be changes.
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:22 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice
Hi all,
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options.
I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction?
I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application.
Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable.
Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John: The hatch boards that came on #278 were 3/4" solid mahogany, with 3/8" dado routed out along the edges to leave a 3/8" wide edge to fit inside the 3/8" slots. There are two of these made from lumber jointed along the edge. The mated edge between the top and bottom was cut on a bevel to shed water. High maintenance, but some beautiful furniture to dress her up with. On Aug 4, 2017, at 12:23 PM, John Schinnerer wrote:
1974, #38. So maybe that changed - Jerry, were the OEM hatch boards on a boat like mine 1/2"? Sure looks like original hatch holder teak pieces.
cheers, John S.
On 08/04/2017 10:02 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
John: the boards on my M17 are 3/8". what year is your M17? SWEET PEA is an '83 using the v.2 deck mold (ie, no transom cutout). :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:44 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Thanks...you mean 1/2" teak ply? My boards are 1/2" thick, not 3/8" - maybe the smaller companionway on the Sage 15 works with 3/8". Too thin for mine.
Mine is one you made, #38, June 1974, back in the day... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 08/03/2017 03:30 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
try contacting Dave Scobie at Sage- he had a big stack of 3/8 teak ply that looked pretty good- he uses it in the new 15. Dave has an M-17 that they can use for a pattern, but you'll probably need to cut the top to fit- no problem. This assuming that your boat is one that I made- if not, there might be changes.
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:22 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Replacing companionway boards - options, advice
Hi all,
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options.
I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction?
I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application.
Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable.
Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I used some 3/4 solid mahogany flooring, found a piece 10' long x14" wide which I used up totally. It is heavy and not very maintenance free. Pics of it on my AS-IS MSOG photosite. Your idea of kingboard sounds good. The 30% lighter is always something to shoot for. If you machine the edges so they lock together with the typical ship lap it may help with any sagging. Worst case you might have to thru bolt some battens on the insides of them someday to straighten them. The kingboard I have used on my deck so far has been just great! Got rid of a lot of teak and it withstands the sun well. I put an operating porthole in my top board which is definitely worth doing for those days when you are stuck below in the rain and need some cross ventilation. Also lets you take a quick peek into the cockpit while below "behind closed doors". If you do go the porthole route be sure what you order it small enough to fit totally on one hatch board. Some of them give the dimension of only the port and do not include the mounting flange which needs another inch all around to bolt through. Also be sure the porthole comes with a screen. Some don't and it is very difficult to make your own.(Personal experience). Fair winds, Tom B On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:22 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options.
I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction?
I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application.
Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable.
Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I used 3/8 Baltic birch plywood with lashings of spar urethane. It has gone a couple of years with no sign of age. On Aug 3, 2017, 3:23 PM -0700, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net>, wrote:
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
As Jerry stated I can assist with teak plywood versions. Another option is contacting PlasTEAK ... this HDPE option is good and is being offered for the Sage 15 and SageCat. See picture attached. A third is to have John at JOWoodworks make you a set out of solid teak ... he made some for my M17. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 6:34 PM, David Rifkind <drifkind@acm.org> wrote:
I used 3/8 Baltic birch plywood with lashings of spar urethane. It has gone a couple of years with no sign of age.
On Aug 3, 2017, 3:23 PM -0700, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net>, wrote:
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looks like the way to go if you want to stay away from the total bleach bottle look. On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
As Jerry stated I can assist with teak plywood versions.
Another option is contacting PlasTEAK ... this HDPE option is good and is being offered for the Sage 15 and SageCat. See picture attached.
A third is to have John at JOWoodworks make you a set out of solid teak ... he made some for my M17.
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On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 6:34 PM, David Rifkind <drifkind@acm.org> wrote:
I used 3/8 Baltic birch plywood with lashings of spar urethane. It has gone a couple of years with no sign of age.
On Aug 3, 2017, 3:23 PM -0700, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net>, wrote:
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Hi John, Just a thought, don't know where your mainsheet track is but since I raised mine off the cockpit sole I then removed the lower cleat that supported the bottom edge of the hatch boards and ran the new side rails down to my mainsheet location. That gave me a better lap of the companionway opening with the boards at the bottom. I also added two barrel bolts on the inside of the bottom board so I could hold it in place during rough conditions. I never plan to be out in those but...."ounce of prevention...." good luck, Tom B On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:22 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options.
I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction?
I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application.
Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable.
Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I used 3/4" mahogany finished with Cetol 'natural teak' and 'marine gloss'. Looks good, not overly expensive and holds up well. I had doors instead of hatch boards on my M17. Larry Yake made some nice ones that are very similar. Maybe he'll come in with a pic. Definitely a lot more work to build doors but they function well. Mark Dvorscak M23, M15 and former M17 On Aug 3, 2017 3:23 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options.
I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction?
I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application.
Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable.
Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
good call on Larry's project Mark! link here to the MSOGphotosite showing cabin door project - https://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/StoryTechnical/storytechnicaldetail.ph... :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000, #002 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
I used 3/4" mahogany finished with Cetol 'natural teak' and 'marine gloss'. Looks good, not overly expensive and holds up well. I had doors instead of hatch boards on my M17. Larry Yake made some nice ones that are very similar. Maybe he'll come in with a pic. Definitely a lot more work to build doors but they function well. Mark Dvorscak M23, M15 and former M17
On Aug 3, 2017 3:23 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options.
I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction?
I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application.
Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable.
Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Yeah, I saw this at random some time ago on the photo site. Very nicely done (and I like the rope wrap on your compression post too!). Not what I'm looking for thought, I will stick with the drop boards, whatever they're made of. Thanks all for the ideas & pointers in general. cheers, John S. On 08/04/2017 09:25 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
good call on Larry's project Mark!
link here to the MSOGphotosite showing cabin door project -
https://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/StoryTechnical/storytechnicaldetail.ph...
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000, #002 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
I used 3/4" mahogany finished with Cetol 'natural teak' and 'marine gloss'. Looks good, not overly expensive and holds up well. I had doors instead of hatch boards on my M17. Larry Yake made some nice ones that are very similar. Maybe he'll come in with a pic. Definitely a lot more work to build doors but they function well. Mark Dvorscak M23, M15 and former M17
On Aug 3, 2017 3:23 PM, "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm contemplating what to use for new companionway boards on my M17. It came with some probably previous-owner-made plywood ones that are warped enough across their width that they don't line up well any more, especially the joint between the middle and top one (3 boards on mine).
What has anyone used for companionway boards?
Looking for experiences anyone has had with various options.
I'm pondering something like Starboard. Anyone had problems with sagging/warping in hot weather? Or thermal expansion/contraction?
I am also wondering if the lighter weight Starboard XL would work - anyone used that for anything? Mostly it just says it's 30% lighter, and has "less structural strength." But not clear exactly what that means...for this kind of application.
Looking for a reasonable combination of price vs. durability. And low maintenance is desirable.
Thus the questions about plastic board products. Oiled teak would look gorgeous but I think it would cost a fortune.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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Thomas Buzzi