After a little browsing on the subject it seems obvious that this is a boat model specific question so I ask those with m15 experience: If a guy could only afford one new sail at a time for his M15, should he go for a working jib or main first for best performance in the higher wind days until he could afford the other half of the canvas? And for a perhaps related question: Do you ever sail with only one or the other - main or head? Which and why? Anyone have experience with a hank-on working jib with reef points for those double reefed main days? Would that be a frugal option for a storm jib or is that inviting too much strain on the working jib?...conditions are fresh water daysailing, not racing others but striving for maximum efficiency while under way in higher wind conditions. Basically I don't care how fast I can go, I just don't want to have to stay home when the wind is forecasted to climb above 15mph...whew! that escalated quickly, sorry for the long winded questions.
Hi Josh, I had a working jib with a set of reef points in it and for a hanked on sail it was very handy! Starting from scratch, talk to your sailmaker about the feasibility of working jib weight cloth holding up for an extra 10 knots of wind. I used mine a lot. Beats turning a beast totally loose on the foredeck. Fair winds, Tom B, MOnty 17, 1977, "AS-IS" <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2115-v2-a> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=oa-2115-v2-a> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Josh ua <jsheintz@gmail.com> wrote:
After a little browsing on the subject it seems obvious that this is a boat model specific question so I ask those with m15 experience: If a guy could only afford one new sail at a time for his M15, should he go for a working jib or main first for best performance in the higher wind days until he could afford the other half of the canvas? And for a perhaps related question: Do you ever sail with only one or the other - main or head? Which and why? Anyone have experience with a hank-on working jib with reef points for those double reefed main days? Would that be a frugal option for a storm jib or is that inviting too much strain on the working jib?...conditions are fresh water daysailing, not racing others but striving for maximum efficiency while under way in higher wind conditions. Basically I don't care how fast I can go, I just don't want to have to stay home when the wind is forecasted to climb above 15mph...whew! that escalated quickly, sorry for the long winded questions.
i had the same question when i had an M15. my choice was the main first (never did get a new jib as i sold the boat after finding an M17). reason was the main is the 'driver' on the M15. the jib does more about creating a slot. i figured a good main would result in better performance from a 'more bang for the buck'. i've sailed a M15 with a reefing jib. IMO i'd rather just change the headsail v. put in a reef ... quick and safer. to reef the jib you, while at the bow, need to: lower sail; tie in reef, until sheets, retie sheets, raise sail. too many steps requiring more than one hand (ie, one for you and one for the ship). get a double reef main. reef the main twice before changing headsails. don't sail the M15 with only jib or main, especially going to weather. M15 doesn't sail at all well with only one sail up. some of my thoughts on sailing the M15 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/aboutthem15.htm -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Josh ua <jsheintz@gmail.com> wrote:
After a little browsing on the subject it seems obvious that this is a boat model specific question so I ask those with m15 experience: If a guy could only afford one new sail at a time for his M15, should he go for a working jib or main first for best performance in the higher wind days until he could afford the other half of the canvas? And for a perhaps related question: Do you ever sail with only one or the other - main or head? Which and why? Anyone have experience with a hank-on working jib with reef points for those double reefed main days? Would that be a frugal option for a storm jib or is that inviting too much strain on the working jib?...conditions are fresh water daysailing, not racing others but striving for maximum efficiency while under way in higher wind conditions. Basically I don't care how fast I can go, I just don't want to have to stay home when the wind is forecasted to climb above 15mph...whew! that escalated quickly, sorry for the long winded questions.
I think a new main will make a lot more difference than a new jib, because it's such a greater fraction of the total sail area. Either a main or jib alone is fine downwind, but the boat won't point upwind properly unless you keep it balanced with a slight weather helm, so you will need both a deep reef point and a storm jib or reefing jib. I have an 85% jib and find that it's a bit oversized to balance a double reefed main, perhaps a 60% would be better. Still, I found that I could make progress to windward in a 26 knot headwind with this configuration. Tyler
On Mar 24, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Josh ua <jsheintz@gmail.com> wrote:
After a little browsing on the subject it seems obvious that this is a boat model specific question so I ask those with m15 experience: If a guy could only afford one new sail at a time for his M15, should he go for a working jib or main first for best performance in the higher wind days until he could afford the other half of the canvas? And for a perhaps related question: Do you ever sail with only one or the other - main or head? Which and why? Anyone have experience with a hank-on working jib with reef points for those double reefed main days? Would that be a frugal option for a storm jib or is that inviting too much strain on the working jib?...conditions are fresh water daysailing, not racing others but striving for maximum efficiency while under way in higher wind conditions. Basically I don't care how fast I can go, I just don't want to have to stay home when the wind is forecasted to climb above 15mph...whew! that escalated quickly, sorry for the long winded questions.
I had an older M-15 jib cut down to about 65% of its original area for winds above 16-17 knots. It was of slightly heavier cloth than the WP sails that came with the boat. By having a sailmaker cut 18" off the luff and 19.5' off the leach I kept a good sheeting angle. The sail sets very flat so it doesn't contribute much to heel while driving the boat well with a single or a double reef. I keep it in a small bag that I sometimes tie to the foredeck while changing sails. I also keep a slightly heavier set of sheets on it. On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Josh ua <jsheintz@gmail.com> wrote:
After a little browsing on the subject it seems obvious that this is a boat model specific question so I ask those with m15 experience: If a guy could only afford one new sail at a time for his M15, should he go for a working jib or main first for best performance in the higher wind days until he could afford the other half of the canvas? And for a perhaps related question: Do you ever sail with only one or the other - main or head? Which and why? Anyone have experience with a hank-on working jib with reef points for those double reefed main days? Would that be a frugal option for a storm jib or is that inviting too much strain on the working jib?...conditions are fresh water daysailing, not racing others but striving for maximum efficiency while under way in higher wind conditions. Basically I don't care how fast I can go, I just don't want to have to stay home when the wind is forecasted to climb above 15mph...whew! that escalated quickly, sorry for the long winded questions.
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