John- What I do is to use Gorilla tape, which is 2" wide and now available in white. I just wrap it on the bottom; it'll cover the bottom of the barrel to keep it from turning, and also the pin on the bottom tang, which will help keep the jibsheet from hanging up on it in a drifter. I keep a roll on the boat because it great for taping telltails. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 7:30 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Recommendations for turnbuckle covers,spreader boots/rollers John: Get 3M '35' heavy duty electrical tape. Wrap the turnbuckles so JUST the cotter pins are covered leaving the bodies open (no trapped water to cause crevice corrosion). This means each turnbuckle has two tape bands: one for the upper swage fitting pin and one for the lower t-bolt pin. Replace yearly (you should be taking the pins out and twisting the turnbuckles a few threads back and forth each way to assure you don't get any rusting and fusing the turnbuckles). IMO no need for boots on the spreaders. As you wrote all types interfere with raising/lowering mast and huge overkill for the Mboats. Which speader design do you have? Fixed or the swinging? Captive uppers at the spreader ends or held in place with a strand if rigging wire? :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Dec 5, 2018, 7:18 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net wrote:

Hi all,

A couple things I want to get in place, or improve, for next season, on my M17.

Anyone have a particular shroud/turnbuckle cover product (or DIY method) they can recommend (meaning you've used it and it works well for you)? I want to be done with jib sheet and/or jib edge catching on turnbuckles/lower shrouds (not to mention want to be done with the wear & tear on sheets & sail).

Same question re spreader boots or jib rollers. Has anyone used the Forespar jib roller or Harken chafe protector roller on your shrouds? They are spec'd for 3/16" and up wire, but I imagine a bushing could be used on 1/8" wire. Saw these rollers in action on a friend's larger boat and seems all around smarter approach than spreader boots. Can't find anyone making a smaller roller for 1/8" wire but if you know of one please point me to it.

I have tried the rubber spreader boots (taylor made or whitecap brands) and IMO they suck; too stiff of material, poor fit, etc..

thanks, John

-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design --------------------------------------------

John, For turnbuckle rollers I just use white pvc pipe (1 in" diameter I think) cut to the desired length, and lightly sand off the ink printing on the sides of the tube. It's not flashy, but works well and is very cheap. The pvc doesn't have much UV resistance so I replace them every couple of years. Keith *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*. *Burnaby, BC* *Serenity, M17 #353* On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 at 23:35, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

Thanks Dave & Jerry...

Doesn't the Gorilla tape leave an awful mess (like duct tape) when you take it off? I've used it for other things and if it's been on for long, especially in warm weather, it leaves a sticky mess behind, like duct tape.

Also, to further clarify my situation - my shrouds have toggle-jaw to thimbles & nicopress on the upper sides, not swaged studs (came that way). That's what catches the sheet and/or jib edge as much or more than the turnbuckles themselves. Especially now that I have a higher-cut cruising genny. So just taping the turnbuckles won't do much good.

How about a simple piece of plastic pipe over the lower part? The commercial products seem to be some expensive version of that (except for the soft ones of leather or synthetic fabric).

Re spreader boots/rollers: My spreaders are the floppy kind - a u-shaped SS bracket on each side of mast,held with bolt thru mast, and spreader tubes pivot on bolt thru u-brackets. The outboard ends of tubes have a cast aluminum piece with a slot for the wire and a cotter pin hole across end of slot to capture the wire. So main issue is cotter pin or equivalent (sharp metal) at end of spreader outside shroud. I will look into using something smooth in place of the cotter pin...

A friend has the jib rollers on a larger boat and I like how they work. Better idea than boots it seems to me. Keeps sail off spreader end and also helps it roll over/past. I've had my jib leach catch on the rubber boots in light air, another shortcoming of those.

thanks, John

On 12/05/2018 07:58 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:

...

John- What I do is to use Gorilla tape, which is 2" wide and now available in white. I just wrap it on the bottom; it'll cover the bottom of the barrel to keep it from turning, and also the pin on the bottom tang, which will help keep the jibsheet from hanging up on it in a drifter. I keep a roll on the boat because it great for taping telltails.

-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 7:30 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Recommendations for turnbuckle covers,spreader boots/rollers

John:

Get 3M '35' heavy duty electrical tape. Wrap the turnbuckles so JUST the cotter pins are covered leaving the bodies open (no trapped water to cause crevice corrosion). This means each turnbuckle has two tape bands: one for the upper swage fitting pin and one for the lower t-bolt pin. Replace yearly (you should be taking the pins out and twisting the turnbuckles a few threads back and forth each way to assure you don't get any rusting and fusing the turnbuckles).

IMO no need for boots on the spreaders. As you wrote all types interfere with raising/lowering mast and huge overkill for the Mboats. Which speader design do you have? Fixed or the swinging? Captive uppers at the spreader ends or held in place with a strand if rigging wire?

:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018, 7:18 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net wrote:

...

Hi all,

A couple things I want to get in place, or improve, for next season, on my M17.

Anyone have a particular shroud/turnbuckle cover product (or DIY method) they can recommend (meaning you've used it and it works well for you)? I want to be done with jib sheet and/or jib edge catching on turnbuckles/lower shrouds (not to mention want to be done with the wear & tear on sheets & sail).

Same question re spreader boots or jib rollers. Has anyone used the Forespar jib roller or Harken chafe protector roller on your shrouds? They are spec'd for 3/16" and up wire, but I imagine a bushing could be used on 1/8" wire. Saw these rollers in action on a friend's larger boat and seems all around smarter approach than spreader boots. Can't find anyone making a smaller roller for 1/8" wire but if you know of one please point me to it.

I have tried the rubber spreader boots (taylor made or whitecap brands) and IMO they suck; too stiff of material, poor fit, etc..

thanks, John

-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design --------------------------------------------

-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

I haven't had a problem with Gorilla tape sticking things up, but lacquer thinner would cut it like butter. -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 8:35 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Recommendations for turnbuckle covers, spreader boots/rollers Thanks Dave & Jerry... Doesn't the Gorilla tape leave an awful mess (like duct tape) when you take it off? I've used it for other things and if it's been on for long, especially in warm weather, it leaves a sticky mess behind, like duct tape. Also, to further clarify my situation - my shrouds have toggle-jaw to thimbles & nicopress on the upper sides, not swaged studs (came that way). That's what catches the sheet and/or jib edge as much or more than the turnbuckles themselves. Especially now that I have a higher-cut cruising genny. So just taping the turnbuckles won't do much good. How about a simple piece of plastic pipe over the lower part? The commercial products seem to be some expensive version of that (except for the soft ones of leather or synthetic fabric). Re spreader boots/rollers: My spreaders are the floppy kind - a u-shaped SS bracket on each side of mast,held with bolt thru mast, and spreader tubes pivot on bolt thru u-brackets. The outboard ends of tubes have a cast aluminum piece with a slot for the wire and a cotter pin hole across end of slot to capture the wire. So main issue is cotter pin or equivalent (sharp metal) at end of spreader outside shroud. I will look into using something smooth in place of the cotter pin... A friend has the jib rollers on a larger boat and I like how they work. Better idea than boots it seems to me. Keeps sail off spreader end and also helps it roll over/past. I've had my jib leach catch on the rubber boots in light air, another shortcoming of those. thanks, John On 12/05/2018 07:58 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:

John- What I do is to use Gorilla tape, which is 2" wide and now available in white. I just wrap it on the bottom; it'll cover the bottom of the barrel to keep it from turning, and also the pin on the bottom tang, which will help keep the jibsheet from hanging up on it in a drifter. I keep a roll on the boat because it great for taping telltails.

-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 7:30 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Recommendations for turnbuckle covers,spreader boots/rollers

John:

Get 3M '35' heavy duty electrical tape. Wrap the turnbuckles so JUST the cotter pins are covered leaving the bodies open (no trapped water to cause crevice corrosion). This means each turnbuckle has two tape bands: one for the upper swage fitting pin and one for the lower t-bolt pin. Replace yearly (you should be taking the pins out and twisting the turnbuckles a few threads back and forth each way to assure you don't get any rusting and fusing the turnbuckles).

IMO no need for boots on the spreaders. As you wrote all types interfere with raising/lowering mast and huge overkill for the Mboats. Which speader design do you have? Fixed or the swinging? Captive uppers at the spreader ends or held in place with a strand if rigging wire?

:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018, 7:18 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net wrote:

...

Hi all,

A couple things I want to get in place, or improve, for next season, on my M17.

Anyone have a particular shroud/turnbuckle cover product (or DIY method) they can recommend (meaning you've used it and it works well for you)? I want to be done with jib sheet and/or jib edge catching on turnbuckles/lower shrouds (not to mention want to be done with the wear & tear on sheets & sail).

Same question re spreader boots or jib rollers. Has anyone used the Forespar jib roller or Harken chafe protector roller on your shrouds? They are spec'd for 3/16" and up wire, but I imagine a bushing could be used on 1/8" wire. Saw these rollers in action on a friend's larger boat and seems all around smarter approach than spreader boots. Can't find anyone making a smaller roller for 1/8" wire but if you know of one please point me to it.

I have tried the rubber spreader boots (taylor made or whitecap brands) and IMO they suck; too stiff of material, poor fit, etc..

thanks, John

-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design --------------------------------------------

-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com