1999 Montgomery 17 for sale
I'm selling my Monty 17. I've placed a very detailed advertisement on the Sailing Texas website. http://sailingtexas.com/201301/smontgomery17127.html Mike Johnson M17 #600
In my search for an M15, I found a 1981 where the swing keel is rusted and expanded so that it won't lower. How difficult and expensive is this to fix? Should I run scared or consider this a good opportunity for an affordable boat? How does the swing keel come out? It seems that it pivots on a pin, but is the pin permanently glassed in and require cutting a lot of fiberglass to get it out? Thanks, Tyler Riverside, CA
On 15-Sep-13 11:47 AM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote: Hi Tyler, The centerboard pivots on a pin. The pin is held in place with a bit of caulking - it is not glassed in place. Pin removal is fairly simple. Poke around in the area with an icepick, and you'll quickly feel the difference between "glass" and the caulk. Once you have located it, go to the other side and do the same. Then - from what I've read from other members in the past, pin removal becomes just a matter of tapping it out. There must be a lot of detailed descriptions of "How to Do it" in the archives. Once approach is to use a hacksaw blade and see if you can clean up the sides of the C/B slot so that the C/B will be freed. Others have taken it to a boatyard and had them do the job. Again, go to the M-Archives for details and more information. I have never had that problem, so can only pass on the fact that others have had the problem and explained how they solve the problem. If you found one; a second one minus that problem is lurking out there somewhere. Happy Hunting Connie
In my search for an M15, I found a 1981 where the swing keel is rusted and expanded so that it won't lower.
How difficult and expensive is this to fix? Should I run scared or consider this a good opportunity for an affordable boat?
How does the swing keel come out? It seems that it pivots on a pin, but is the pin permanently glassed in and require cutting a lot of fiberglass to get it out?
Thanks, Tyler Riverside, CA
Hi Tyler, Here is a M15 listed on Craigslist for sale you might be interested in checking out as well... http://salem.craigslist.org/boa/3992320090.html Becky Sent from my iPad On Sep 15, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 15-Sep-13 11:47 AM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:
Hi Tyler,
The centerboard pivots on a pin.
The pin is held in place with a bit of caulking - it is not glassed in place.
Pin removal is fairly simple. Poke around in the area with an icepick, and you'll quickly feel the difference between "glass" and the caulk. Once you have located it, go to the other side and do the same. Then - from what I've read from other members in the past, pin removal becomes just a matter of tapping it out.
There must be a lot of detailed descriptions of "How to Do it" in the archives.
Once approach is to use a hacksaw blade and see if you can clean up the sides of the C/B slot so that the C/B will be freed.
Others have taken it to a boatyard and had them do the job. Again, go to the M-Archives for details and more information.
I have never had that problem, so can only pass on the fact that others have had the problem and explained how they solve the problem.
If you found one; a second one minus that problem is lurking out there somewhere.
Happy Hunting
Connie
In my search for an M15, I found a 1981 where the swing keel is rusted and expanded so that it won't lower.
How difficult and expensive is this to fix? Should I run scared or consider this a good opportunity for an affordable boat?
How does the swing keel come out? It seems that it pivots on a pin, but is the pin permanently glassed in and require cutting a lot of fiberglass to get it out?
Thanks, Tyler Riverside, CA
That is actually the one I'm talking about! It hadn't been sailed in a while and he didn't realize the keel was locked in place. Tyler On Sep 15, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Becky Belding wrote:
Hi Tyler, Here is a M15 listed on Craigslist for sale you might be interested in checking out as well... http://salem.craigslist.org/boa/3992320090.html
Becky
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 15, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 15-Sep-13 11:47 AM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:
Hi Tyler,
The centerboard pivots on a pin.
The pin is held in place with a bit of caulking - it is not glassed in place.
Pin removal is fairly simple. Poke around in the area with an icepick, and you'll quickly feel the difference between "glass" and the caulk. Once you have located it, go to the other side and do the same. Then - from what I've read from other members in the past, pin removal becomes just a matter of tapping it out.
There must be a lot of detailed descriptions of "How to Do it" in the archives.
Once approach is to use a hacksaw blade and see if you can clean up the sides of the C/B slot so that the C/B will be freed.
Others have taken it to a boatyard and had them do the job. Again, go to the M-Archives for details and more information.
I have never had that problem, so can only pass on the fact that others have had the problem and explained how they solve the problem.
If you found one; a second one minus that problem is lurking out there somewhere.
Happy Hunting
Connie
In my search for an M15, I found a 1981 where the swing keel is rusted and expanded so that it won't lower.
How difficult and expensive is this to fix? Should I run scared or consider this a good opportunity for an affordable boat?
How does the swing keel come out? It seems that it pivots on a pin, but is the pin permanently glassed in and require cutting a lot of fiberglass to get it out?
Thanks, Tyler Riverside, CA
Tyler, Would he be willing to have it repaired at his cost? Did you have a survey done? I can give you the name of a great boat surveyor here in Portland if you are interested. Becky -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Backman Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 9:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 expanded keel problem That is actually the one I'm talking about! It hadn't been sailed in a while and he didn't realize the keel was locked in place. Tyler On Sep 15, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Becky Belding wrote:
Hi Tyler, Here is a M15 listed on Craigslist for sale you might be interested in
checking out as well...
http://salem.craigslist.org/boa/3992320090.html
Becky
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 15, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 15-Sep-13 11:47 AM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:
Hi Tyler,
The centerboard pivots on a pin.
The pin is held in place with a bit of caulking - it is not glassed in place.
Pin removal is fairly simple. Poke around in the area with an icepick, and you'll quickly feel the difference between "glass" and the caulk. Once you have located it, go to the other side and do the same. Then - from what I've read from other members in the past, pin removal becomes just a matter of tapping it out.
There must be a lot of detailed descriptions of "How to Do it" in the archives.
Once approach is to use a hacksaw blade and see if you can clean up the sides of the C/B slot so that the C/B will be freed.
Others have taken it to a boatyard and had them do the job. Again, go to the M-Archives for details and more information.
I have never had that problem, so can only pass on the fact that others have had the problem and explained how they solve the problem.
If you found one; a second one minus that problem is lurking out there somewhere.
Happy Hunting
Connie
In my search for an M15, I found a 1981 where the swing keel is rusted and expanded so that it won't lower.
How difficult and expensive is this to fix? Should I run scared or consider this a good opportunity for an affordable boat?
How does the swing keel come out? It seems that it pivots on a pin, but is the pin permanently glassed in and require cutting a lot of fiberglass to get it out?
Thanks, Tyler Riverside, CA
Becky, I don't think a survey would help, I was able to find every problem I've ever heard of on a fiberglass boat with this one- it looks to me like it's been sitting unused for about 20 years (1992 registration) and it's basically just a hull ready for a total restoration and would need all new standing/running rigging, stainless hardware, keel, sails, etc. as well as some fiberglass work. The deck hardware was rebedded with silicone so the hardware and possibly the deck core are probably destroyed as well. The trailer frame has some rust, and no fenders, no lights, and bad bearings. I'm torn trying to decide if I should take on such a big project! I know how to do the work, but I'm a graduate student with very little spare time- I'd need to store it for a year or two before I could even get started. Still, I'm pretty passionate about my dream of having an M15, and the learning experience of a total restoration would be valuable. Tyler On Sep 15, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Becky Belding wrote:
Tyler,
Would he be willing to have it repaired at his cost? Did you have a survey done? I can give you the name of a great boat surveyor here in Portland if you are interested.
Becky
Tyler, I'm late getting in on this discussion. I have replaced the centerboard from my 1988 M17 (same centerboard as the M15) and the project is very do-able. I was able to purchase a new CB from Bob Egg and have it shipped at a reasonable cost. Even though Jerry made my M17 and the M15 you are looking at, the CB's Bob is making are an exact replacement. The M15 is light enough that getting the boat high enough to drop and replace the board is a very do-able project. Again, I am late joining this conversation, but my main concern would be whether or not it is a swelled CB or a swelled-truck. If it's just that the CB need to be replaced - not such a big deal. If it is that the trunk has swelled..... well that is a different story.
From what I can recall, the older M15 CB's were weighted with punchings and not lead. Sometime in the 80's the CB went to a fiberglass-lead-fiberglass sandwich construction. The M17 switched to this same CB in 1988.
If you have the time, an M-boat is worthy of rebuilding and investing time and money into. Have a good week, Randy Graves On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
Becky,
I don't think a survey would help, I was able to find every problem I've ever heard of on a fiberglass boat with this one- it looks to me like it's been sitting unused for about 20 years (1992 registration) and it's basically just a hull ready for a total restoration and would need all new standing/running rigging, stainless hardware, keel, sails, etc. as well as some fiberglass work. The deck hardware was rebedded with silicone so the hardware and possibly the deck core are probably destroyed as well. The trailer frame has some rust, and no fenders, no lights, and bad bearings.
I'm torn trying to decide if I should take on such a big project! I know how to do the work, but I'm a graduate student with very little spare time- I'd need to store it for a year or two before I could even get started. Still, I'm pretty passionate about my dream of having an M15, and the learning experience of a total restoration would be valuable.
Tyler
On Sep 15, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Becky Belding wrote:
Tyler,
Would he be willing to have it repaired at his cost? Did you have a survey done? I can give you the name of a great boat surveyor here in Portland if you are interested.
Becky
Hi Tyler, Always a trade off. Does one buy a less expensive boat and spend a certain amount of time and effort improving it or does one spend a bit more up front and get sailing sooner with a lot fewer decisions as to who, where,how and when to fix this and that. I recently bought an M-17 that will require some cosmetic work and before purchasing it I made sure the centerboard lowered just fine. That one particular item seems to be the biggest headache for these boats which are otherwise pretty much bomb proof. Do all the research you can as to the price of how to get done what you need with the keel, if you can look at that situation a bit more closely and ascertain how badly it is stuck that would be helpful. Look for another boat without this problem as per other advice on this site. I have been where you are in my boat buying past. I always try to remember the advice I got years ago...... "Act in haste, repent at leisure." Your choice of craft is great. M's are fine boats. Fair winds, Tom B. M-17, #258 On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 10:47 AM, <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
In my search for an M15, I found a 1981 where the swing keel is rusted and expanded so that it won't lower.
How difficult and expensive is this to fix? Should I run scared or consider this a good opportunity for an affordable boat?
How does the swing keel come out? It seems that it pivots on a pin, but is the pin permanently glassed in and require cutting a lot of fiberglass to get it out?
Thanks, Tyler Riverside, CA
Hi all, I have discovered a major leak in the cabin top and down my support post in my M-23. The deck is slightly deformed and the base of the support post is slightly pushed into the cabin floor from one of the previous owners perhaps over tightening the rigging. I may be able to simply caulk the tabernacle and bolts but I probably should fix the deck. What I am planning is to figure out if the base of the support post is stable (I assume it is on the base of the hull at this point but cannot see under the floor) and to put a solid aluminum plate underneath the tabernacle that directly sits on the support post. I plan getting the plate made by emachineshop.com. Then glass the plate into the deck and cover with Kiwi grip or some cosmetic approach. I would appreciate any suggestions on this project that anyone might have. Thanks Robbin M-23
I should have said stainless steel plate, not Aluminum. Sorry. On 9/15/2013 4:52 PM, Robbin Roddewig wrote:
Hi all, I have discovered a major leak in the cabin top and down my support post in my M-23. The deck is slightly deformed and the base of the support post is slightly pushed into the cabin floor from one of the previous owners perhaps over tightening the rigging. I may be able to simply caulk the tabernacle and bolts but I probably should fix the deck. What I am planning is to figure out if the base of the support post is stable (I assume it is on the base of the hull at this point but cannot see under the floor) and to put a solid aluminum plate underneath the tabernacle that directly sits on the support post. I plan getting the plate made by emachineshop.com. Then glass the plate into the deck and cover with Kiwi grip or some cosmetic approach. I would appreciate any suggestions on this project that anyone might have.
Thanks Robbin M-23
Robbin, I would remove the tabernacle, and because you saw a leak I would inspect for balsa rot or mushiness, allow to dry, wash with acetone(the boat not you), drill a series of 1/8 to 3/16 holes by way of any damage( not all the way thru), fill with neat epoxy or glass, or cotton flox thickened epoxy, and you could lay up a layer of glass on top but you don't really need it. Then mill a Stainless plate 1/8 or 3/16th" thick and larger then the tabernacle base and larger then the damaged area ( no need to mix stainless and aluminum) seal and bolt through the tabernacle, and bob's you're uncle . I took a shot at this for you as Jerry's confuser is on the fritz just now. If I can help let me know, Stan ________________________________ From: Robbin Roddewig <robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: M_Boats: Plate to go under mast tabernacle Hi all, I have discovered a major leak in the cabin top and down my support post in my M-23. The deck is slightly deformed and the base of the support post is slightly pushed into the cabin floor from one of the previous owners perhaps over tightening the rigging. I may be able to simply caulk the tabernacle and bolts but I probably should fix the deck. What I am planning is to figure out if the base of the support post is stable (I assume it is on the base of the hull at this point but cannot see under the floor) and to put a solid aluminum plate underneath the tabernacle that directly sits on the support post. I plan getting the plate made by emachineshop.com. Then glass the plate into the deck and cover with Kiwi grip or some cosmetic approach. I would appreciate any suggestions on this project that anyone might have. Thanks Robbin M-23
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Stan Susman -
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Tyler Backman