Hi All, its me again, I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably. At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor. I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured. What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them? Thanks in advance for everyone's input. Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
Jason. Wet cockpit floor is normal as seas get sporting, or you put many people in the cockpit. I call it 'Montgomery disease'. Even the Sage boat had the issue until the molds were reworked (molds for the M17/15 never changed). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
Dave: Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get around this? I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason.. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains and are higher above the waterlines. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get around this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
I see, ok, it was a little disconcerting to see but now that i know that it is normal I can rest easy. I have still never seen another Montgomery before in my life, so it definitely would be nice to see another one to compare notes. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:33 PM Dave Scobie, <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains and are higher above the waterlines.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get around this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
There are a few up in your vicinity - Keith Martin in Vancouver BC for one, I forget who else...? I hope to get my M17 up that way in September sometime, or south Puget Sound at least, but preferably San Juans/Canadian gulf islands. Lots of pics on the MSOG site and elsewhere, but of course it's harder to see details vs. a live boat to look at. cheers, John On 08/02/2018 01:48 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
I see, ok, it was a little disconcerting to see but now that i know that it is normal I can rest easy.
I have still never seen another Montgomery before in my life, so it definitely would be nice to see another one to compare notes.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:33 PM Dave Scobie, <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains and are higher above the waterlines.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get around this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi Jason Leckie, Keith Martin here in Burnaby BC... Nice to hear of another M17 "close by".... I have a 1982 4 berth version, which as best as I can figure it is one of the first of the "Version 2" M17 molds... I am seasonally moored at Reed Point Marina in Port Moody. John Schinnerer - Are you still looking to hit the Gulf Islands in Sept? Keith *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*. *Serenity, M17 #353* On 2 August 2018 at 22:21, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
There are a few up in your vicinity - Keith Martin in Vancouver BC for one, I forget who else...?
I hope to get my M17 up that way in September sometime, or south Puget Sound at least, but preferably San Juans/Canadian gulf islands.
Lots of pics on the MSOG site and elsewhere, but of course it's harder to see details vs. a live boat to look at.
cheers, John
On 08/02/2018 01:48 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
I see, ok, it was a little disconcerting to see but now that i know that it is normal I can rest easy.
I have still never seen another Montgomery before in my life, so it definitely would be nice to see another one to compare notes.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:33 PM Dave Scobie, <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains
and are higher above the waterlines.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get around this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was
out
for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze,
maybe
15
knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was
essentially
my
first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is
acting
like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back
at
port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits
just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of
the
boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting
is
located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem
as
long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check
valves
installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 08/18/2018 03:55 PM, Keith R. Martin wrote: ...
John Schinnerer - Are you still looking to hit the Gulf Islands in Sept?
I am actually leaving for Cortes tomorrow. But with my kayak, this trip. So if anyone here happens to be cruising in the vicinity...a friend and I will be circumnavigating Cortes the 22nd-26th, then my girlfriend and I will be day paddling around different parts of Cortes thru Friday 31st. Will be camped at Smelt Bay provincial park, after the circumnavigation. My kayak tends to stand out, it's a Pygmy Kayaks "Coho" model, glass over okume plywood, clear finish. And my pal Keith has a Hobie Adventure Island sail/pedal/paddle tri, in red. Don't think I will make it up to the gulf islands with Pajarita this September. The local sailing season was shot by dry winter, low water at Howard Prairie, and early onset of nasty forest fire smoke in the area. I aim to get a shakedown cruise (for new furler & jib) at Fern Ridge by mid-September and hopefully get to Waldo lake as well, and maybe Diamond lake. Sad, but that's probably about it, unless I take it to the coast a bit later in the fall. cheers, John S.
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*.
*Serenity, M17 #353*
On 2 August 2018 at 22:21, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
There are a few up in your vicinity - Keith Martin in Vancouver BC for one, I forget who else...?
I hope to get my M17 up that way in September sometime, or south Puget Sound at least, but preferably San Juans/Canadian gulf islands.
Lots of pics on the MSOG site and elsewhere, but of course it's harder to see details vs. a live boat to look at.
cheers, John
On 08/02/2018 01:48 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
I see, ok, it was a little disconcerting to see but now that i know that it is normal I can rest easy.
I have still never seen another Montgomery before in my life, so it definitely would be nice to see another one to compare notes.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:33 PM Dave Scobie, <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains
and are higher above the waterlines.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get around this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was
out
for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze,
maybe
15
knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was
essentially
my
first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is
acting
like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back
at
port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits
just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of
the
boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting
is
located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem
as
long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check
valves
installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John and others: I'm planning to cross into Canada at Bedwell Hbr tomorrow (8/20) and then to Port Browning (8/21) for grocery shopping. I'll then gunkhole around CN till at least Labor Day weekend. I'll then head back to the San Juan Islands for the rest of September. SWALLOW has a distictive house topped teal green and I'll be towing the M6'8". :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 7:42 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 08/18/2018 03:55 PM, Keith R. Martin wrote: ...
John Schinnerer - Are you still looking to hit the Gulf Islands in Sept?
I am actually leaving for Cortes tomorrow. But with my kayak, this trip.
So if anyone here happens to be cruising in the vicinity...a friend and I will be circumnavigating Cortes the 22nd-26th, then my girlfriend and I will be day paddling around different parts of Cortes thru Friday 31st. Will be camped at Smelt Bay provincial park, after the circumnavigation.
My kayak tends to stand out, it's a Pygmy Kayaks "Coho" model, glass over okume plywood, clear finish. And my pal Keith has a Hobie Adventure Island sail/pedal/paddle tri, in red.
Don't think I will make it up to the gulf islands with Pajarita this September. The local sailing season was shot by dry winter, low water at Howard Prairie, and early onset of nasty forest fire smoke in the area. I aim to get a shakedown cruise (for new furler & jib) at Fern Ridge by mid-September and hopefully get to Waldo lake as well, and maybe Diamond lake. Sad, but that's probably about it, unless I take it to the coast a bit later in the fall.
cheers, John S.
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*.
*Serenity, M17 #353*
On 2 August 2018 at 22:21, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
There are a few up in your vicinity - Keith Martin in Vancouver BC for one, I forget who else...?
I hope to get my M17 up that way in September sometime, or south Puget Sound at least, but preferably San Juans/Canadian gulf islands.
Lots of pics on the MSOG site and elsewhere, but of course it's harder
to
see details vs. a live boat to look at.
cheers, John
On 08/02/2018 01:48 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
I see, ok, it was a little disconcerting to see but now that i know that it is normal I can rest easy.
I have still never seen another Montgomery before in my life, so it definitely would be nice to see another one to compare notes.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:33 PM Dave Scobie, <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains
and are higher above the waterlines.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get
around
this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again, > > I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was > out
> for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, > maybe
15
> knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was > essentially
my
> first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably. > > At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is > acting
> like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back > at
port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits > just below the level of the cockpit floor. > > I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of > the
boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured. > > What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting > is
located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem > as
long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check > valves
> installed on them? > > Thanks in advance for everyone's input. > > Jason Leckie > 1980 M17 'Kuma' > Point Roberts, WA > >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Where did this fleet of sailors put in? Anacortes? Elsewhere? Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 3:55 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: BC gulf islands John and others: I'm planning to cross into Canada at Bedwell Hbr tomorrow (8/20) and then to Port Browning (8/21) for grocery shopping. I'll then gunkhole around CN till at least Labor Day weekend. I'll then head back to the San Juan Islands for the rest of September. SWALLOW has a distictive house topped teal green and I'll be towing the M6'8". :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 7:42 PM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 08/18/2018 03:55 PM, Keith R. Martin wrote: ...
John Schinnerer - Are you still looking to hit the Gulf Islands in Sept?
I am actually leaving for Cortes tomorrow. But with my kayak, this trip.
So if anyone here happens to be cruising in the vicinity...a friend and I will be circumnavigating Cortes the 22nd-26th, then my girlfriend and I will be day paddling around different parts of Cortes thru Friday 31st. Will be camped at Smelt Bay provincial park, after the circumnavigation.
My kayak tends to stand out, it's a Pygmy Kayaks "Coho" model, glass over okume plywood, clear finish. And my pal Keith has a Hobie Adventure Island sail/pedal/paddle tri, in red.
Don't think I will make it up to the gulf islands with Pajarita this September. The local sailing season was shot by dry winter, low water at Howard Prairie, and early onset of nasty forest fire smoke in the area. I aim to get a shakedown cruise (for new furler & jib) at Fern Ridge by mid-September and hopefully get to Waldo lake as well, and maybe Diamond lake. Sad, but that's probably about it, unless I take it to the coast a bit later in the fall.
cheers, John S.
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*.
*Serenity, M17 #353*
On 2 August 2018 at 22:21, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
There are a few up in your vicinity - Keith Martin in Vancouver BC for one, I forget who else...?
I hope to get my M17 up that way in September sometime, or south Puget Sound at least, but preferably San Juans/Canadian gulf islands.
Lots of pics on the MSOG site and elsewhere, but of course it's harder
to
see details vs. a live boat to look at.
cheers, John
On 08/02/2018 01:48 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
I see, ok, it was a little disconcerting to see but now that i know that it is normal I can rest easy.
I have still never seen another Montgomery before in my life, so it definitely would be nice to see another one to compare notes.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:33 PM Dave Scobie, <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains
and are higher above the waterlines.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get
around
this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again, > > I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was > out
> for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, > maybe
15
> knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was > essentially
my
> first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably. > > At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain > is > acting
> like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back > at
port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits > just below the level of the cockpit floor. > > I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of > the
boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured. > > What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting > is
located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem > as
long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check > valves
> installed on them? > > Thanks in advance for everyone's input. > > Jason Leckie > 1980 M17 'Kuma' > Point Roberts, WA > >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Which fleet are you speaking of Steve? Not aware of any formal/semi-formal Mboat group in the Islands at this time. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Aug 22, 2018, 10:49 AM Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Where did this fleet of sailors put in? Anacortes? Elsewhere? Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 3:55 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: BC gulf islands
John and others:
I'm planning to cross into Canada at Bedwell Hbr tomorrow (8/20) and then to Port Browning (8/21) for grocery shopping. I'll then gunkhole around CN till at least Labor Day weekend. I'll then head back to the San Juan Islands for the rest of September.
SWALLOW has a distictive house topped teal green and I'll be towing the M6'8".
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
Hi Keith, Good to hear from a 'local'. Perhaps we can meet up some time to compare boats, maybe after sailing season I can [image: image.png] come by with my boat on the trailer or something like that. My boat is the 3 berth model with the miniature galley and the 'little tikes' sink, as somebody so eloquently put it. Jason Leckie 'Kuma' 1980 Montgomery 17 Vancouver, BC / Point Roberts, WA On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 3:56 PM Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jason Leckie,
Keith Martin here in Burnaby BC... Nice to hear of another M17 "close by".... I have a 1982 4 berth version, which as best as I can figure it is one of the first of the "Version 2" M17 molds... I am seasonally moored at Reed Point Marina in Port Moody.
John Schinnerer - Are you still looking to hit the Gulf Islands in Sept?
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*.
*Serenity, M17 #353*
On 2 August 2018 at 22:21, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
There are a few up in your vicinity - Keith Martin in Vancouver BC for one, I forget who else...?
I hope to get my M17 up that way in September sometime, or south Puget Sound at least, but preferably San Juans/Canadian gulf islands.
Lots of pics on the MSOG site and elsewhere, but of course it's harder to see details vs. a live boat to look at.
cheers, John
On 08/02/2018 01:48 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
I see, ok, it was a little disconcerting to see but now that i know that it is normal I can rest easy.
I have still never seen another Montgomery before in my life, so it definitely would be nice to see another one to compare notes.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:33 PM Dave Scobie, <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains
and are higher above the waterlines.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get
around
this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I
was
out
for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze,
maybe
15
knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was
essentially
my
first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is
acting
like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back
at
port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits
just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of
the
boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting
is
located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem
as
long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check
valves
installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi Jason, Congrats on acquiring your M17! These are great sailing, seaworthy little boats... I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine... I would love to get together and compare boats.. It's interesting we are only about an hour's drive apart by car, but it's at least one very long sailing day (with the right tides & weather) for each of us plus a border crossing to connect on the water! Like many of us here on the forum I have been taping away at projects on the boat for the past 5 years I have owned her.. pics of Serenity can be found at http://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/Boats/boatsdetail.php?id=105 Serenity will only be in the water till mid Sept as sadly I must pull her out onto the trailer early this season due to travel and work commitments. That said I am happy give a tour at any time on or off the water... Keith *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*. Serenity, M17 #353 Burnaby, BC On 21 August 2018 at 20:07, Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Keith, Good to hear from a 'local'. Perhaps we can meet up some time to compare boats, maybe after sailing season I can [image: image.png] come by with my boat on the trailer or something like that.
My boat is the 3 berth model with the miniature galley and the 'little tikes' sink, as somebody so eloquently put it.
Jason Leckie 'Kuma' 1980 Montgomery 17 Vancouver, BC / Point Roberts, WA
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 3:56 PM Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jason Leckie,
Keith Martin here in Burnaby BC... Nice to hear of another M17 "close by".... I have a 1982 4 berth version, which as best as I can figure it is one of the first of the "Version 2" M17 molds... I am seasonally moored at Reed Point Marina in Port Moody.
John Schinnerer - Are you still looking to hit the Gulf Islands in Sept?
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*.
*Serenity, M17 #353*
On 2 August 2018 at 22:21, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
There are a few up in your vicinity - Keith Martin in Vancouver BC for one, I forget who else...?
I hope to get my M17 up that way in September sometime, or south Puget Sound at least, but preferably San Juans/Canadian gulf islands.
Lots of pics on the MSOG site and elsewhere, but of course it's harder to see details vs. a live boat to look at.
cheers, John
On 08/02/2018 01:48 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
I see, ok, it was a little disconcerting to see but now that i know that it is normal I can rest easy.
I have still never seen another Montgomery before in my life, so it definitely would be nice to see another one to compare notes.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:33 PM Dave Scobie, <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains
and are higher above the waterlines.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get
around
this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again, > > I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was > out
> for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, > maybe
15
> knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was > essentially
my
> first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably. > > At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is > acting
> like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back > at
port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits > just below the level of the cockpit floor. > > I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of > the
boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured. > > What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting > is
located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem > as
long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check > valves
> installed on them? > > Thanks in advance for everyone's input. > > Jason Leckie > 1980 M17 'Kuma' > Point Roberts, WA > >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi Keith, Yes I am really enjoying my M17, which is in decent condition and also from Arizona and maybe Texas before that. Will talk to later about getting together. Cheers, Jason On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 8:45 PM Keith R. Martin, < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jason,
Congrats on acquiring your M17! These are great sailing, seaworthy little boats... I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine...
I would love to get together and compare boats.. It's interesting we are only about an hour's drive apart by car, but it's at least one very long sailing day (with the right tides & weather) for each of us plus a border crossing to connect on the water!
Like many of us here on the forum I have been taping away at projects on the boat for the past 5 years I have owned her..
pics of Serenity can be found at
http://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/Boats/boatsdetail.php?id=105
Serenity will only be in the water till mid Sept as sadly I must pull her out onto the trailer early this season due to travel and work commitments. That said I am happy give a tour at any time on or off the water...
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*. Serenity, M17 #353
Burnaby, BC
On 21 August 2018 at 20:07, Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Keith, Good to hear from a 'local'. Perhaps we can meet up some time to compare boats, maybe after sailing season I can [image: image.png] come by with my boat on the trailer or something like that.
My boat is the 3 berth model with the miniature galley and the 'little tikes' sink, as somebody so eloquently put it.
Jason Leckie 'Kuma' 1980 Montgomery 17 Vancouver, BC / Point Roberts, WA
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 3:56 PM Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jason Leckie,
Keith Martin here in Burnaby BC... Nice to hear of another M17 "close by".... I have a 1982 4 berth version, which as best as I can figure it is one of the first of the "Version 2" M17 molds... I am seasonally moored at Reed Point Marina in Port Moody.
John Schinnerer - Are you still looking to hit the Gulf Islands in Sept?
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*.
*Serenity, M17 #353*
On 2 August 2018 at 22:21, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
There are a few up in your vicinity - Keith Martin in Vancouver BC for one, I forget who else...?
I hope to get my M17 up that way in September sometime, or south Puget Sound at least, but preferably San Juans/Canadian gulf islands.
Lots of pics on the MSOG site and elsewhere, but of course it's harder to see details vs. a live boat to look at.
cheers, John
On 08/02/2018 01:48 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
I see, ok, it was a little disconcerting to see but now that i know that it is normal I can rest easy.
I have still never seen another Montgomery before in my life, so it definitely would be nice to see another one to compare notes.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:33 PM Dave Scobie, <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains
and are higher above the waterlines.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave: > > Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get around > this? > > I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good > reason.. > > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi All, its me again, >> >> I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was >> > out > >> for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, >> > maybe
> 15 > >> knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was >> > essentially
> my > >> first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably. >> >> At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is >> > acting > >> like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back >> > at
> port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits >> just below the level of the cockpit floor. >> >> I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of >> > the
> boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured. >> >> What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting >> > is
> located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem >> > as
> long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check >> > valves > >> installed on them? >> >> Thanks in advance for everyone's input. >> >> Jason Leckie >> 1980 M17 'Kuma' >> Point Roberts, WA >> >> >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
What is the construction of the semi-keel part of the boat (the permanent partial keel that the drop-down keel fits up into? Is it solid or hollow or cored? Could a person put a hole in the side, near the hull into the keel storage area fairly easily? The reason I'm asking is because I had an idea, that the water back flowing into the cockpit happens because the static pressureat the drain rises and the boat itself squats down a little bit. But, suppose you made 2 holes through the partial keel, into the port and starboard up as high as possible near the keel raising rope/drain where the water pressure is going to form a natural low as it rushes along the sides of the keel? Could this lower the static pressure at the drain enough to mitigate the flooding? From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 1:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cockpit Drain Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains and are higher above the waterlines. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get around this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
The issue is the cockpit floor is low.witj just a bit of slope when the boat is sitting her lines (no people at a dock). Jerry did this to limit freeboard (more windage, more heeling, poor windward ability, etc.) And have a deep foot well (comfort). A series of trade-offs. The keel is filled with steel punchings or lead BBs (depending on age). Using 'Venturi' systems requires speed and if the boat not going fast enough you end up with more holes below the waterline ... :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 2:18 PM Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
What is the construction of the semi-keel part of the boat (the permanent partial keel that the drop-down keel fits up into? Is it solid or hollow or cored? Could a person put a hole in the side, near the hull into the keel storage area fairly easily?
The reason I'm asking is because I had an idea, that the water back flowing into the cockpit happens because the static pressureat the drain rises and the boat itself squats down a little bit.
But, suppose you made 2 holes through the partial keel, into the port and starboard up as high as possible near the keel raising rope/drain where the water pressure is going to form a natural low as it rushes along the sides of the keel?
Could this lower the static pressure at the drain enough to mitigate the flooding?
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 1:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cockpit Drain
Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains and are higher above the waterlines.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get around this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
I have an M15 and never have the flooding issue unless I'm moving at a good clip and sitting toward the stern and/or havea very large passenger. I worked out a pitot tube equation and it's about 3-4 inches static pressure at 3mph, so I thinkthat could be a contributing factor for the flooding. I wonder some holes would be enough of a venturi effect to reverse this.. Be cool if it worked. Thanks again Dave. From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cockpit Drain The issue is the cockpit floor is low.witj just a bit of slope when the boat is sitting her lines (no people at a dock). Jerry did this to limit freeboard (more windage, more heeling, poor windward ability, etc.) And have a deep foot well (comfort). A series of trade-offs. The keel is filled with steel punchings or lead BBs (depending on age). Using 'Venturi' systems requires speed and if the boat not going fast enough you end up with more holes below the waterline ... :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 2:18 PM Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: What is the construction of the semi-keel part of the boat (the permanent partial keel that the drop-down keel fits up into? Is it solid or hollow or cored? Could a person put a hole in the side, near the hull into the keel storage area fairly easily? The reason I'm asking is because I had an idea, that the water back flowing into the cockpit happens because the static pressureat the drain rises and the boat itself squats down a little bit. But, suppose you made 2 holes through the partial keel, into the port and starboard up as high as possible near the keel raising rope/drain where the water pressure is going to form a natural low as it rushes along the sides of the keel? Could this lower the static pressure at the drain enough to mitigate the flooding? From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 1:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cockpit Drain Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains and are higher above the waterlines. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get around this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
The cockpit drain pipe on my boat is shaped a lot like a p-trap on a sink. I am wondering if straightening the run of the pipe might improve my situation. Remembering back to sailing on my Minifish when I was younger opening up the drainplug when moving at decent clip the water would suck right out of the cockpit if there was any in there at the time. I was not getting that kind of effect yesterday though I was definitely moving at a decent clip. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 4:17 PM Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats, < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I have an M15 and never have the flooding issue unless I'm moving at a good clip and sitting toward the stern and/or havea very large passenger. I worked out a pitot tube equation and it's about 3-4 inches static pressure at 3mph, so I thinkthat could be a contributing factor for the flooding.
I wonder some holes would be enough of a venturi effect to reverse this.. Be cool if it worked.
Thanks again Dave.
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski@yahoo.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:52 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cockpit Drain
The issue is the cockpit floor is low.witj just a bit of slope when the boat is sitting her lines (no people at a dock). Jerry did this to limit freeboard (more windage, more heeling, poor windward ability, etc.) And have a deep foot well (comfort). A series of trade-offs. The keel is filled with steel punchings or lead BBs (depending on age). Using 'Venturi' systems requires speed and if the boat not going fast enough you end up with more holes below the waterline ...
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 2:18 PM Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
What is the construction of the semi-keel part of the boat (the permanent partial keel that the drop-down keel fits up into? Is it solid or hollow or cored? Could a person put a hole in the side, near the hull into the keel storage area fairly easily?
The reason I'm asking is because I had an idea, that the water back flowing into the cockpit happens because the static pressureat the drain rises and the boat itself squats down a little bit.
But, suppose you made 2 holes through the partial keel, into the port and starboard up as high as possible near the keel raising rope/drain where the water pressure is going to form a natural low as it rushes along the sides of the keel?
Could this lower the static pressure at the drain enough to mitigate the flooding?
From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 1:34 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cockpit Drain
Simple answer is the cockpit floors have greater slope towards the drains and are higher above the waterlines.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:27 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave:
Hmm, ok, good to know. How does the newer Sage cockpit drain get around this?
I see now that the plugs that came with the boat are there for good reason..
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 1:03 PM Jason Leckie, <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
Cool, a Minifish...!...I found one for a friend on craigslist last year, she grew up with a family Sunfish! It is almost primo like new, hung in some old folks' barn for decades, just had to scrub off a lot of bird and bat guano. cheers, John On 08/02/2018 08:56 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
The cockpit drain pipe on my boat is shaped a lot like a p-trap on a sink. I am wondering if straightening the run of the pipe might improve my situation. Remembering back to sailing on my Minifish when I was younger opening up the drainplug when moving at decent clip the water would suck right out of the cockpit if there was any in there at the time. I was not getting that kind of effect yesterday though I was definitely moving at a decent clip.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Ya, I have many great memories sailing around on that little boat. 4 or 5 kids piling onto it and capsizing it for kicks on a warm summers day. Great little boat for kids and kids at heart. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 10:16 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Cool, a Minifish...!...I found one for a friend on craigslist last year, she grew up with a family Sunfish! It is almost primo like new, hung in some old folks' barn for decades, just had to scrub off a lot of bird and bat guano.
cheers, John
On 08/02/2018 08:56 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
The cockpit drain pipe on my boat is shaped a lot like a p-trap on a sink. I am wondering if straightening the run of the pipe might improve my situation. Remembering back to sailing on my Minifish when I was younger opening up the drainplug when moving at decent clip the water would suck right out of the cockpit if there was any in there at the time. I was not getting that kind of effect yesterday though I was definitely moving at a decent clip.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
This is normal, because a displacement hull gets lower into the water the faster it goes. If it bothers you, I have seen people install a check valve so water can only flow out, along with a vertical tube for the centerboard pennant. Personally, I would consider that a safety hazard for using offshore, as it would slow down the cockpit draining if the cockpit gets flooded by a wave. Dri-Dek mat squares would be another solution. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Leckie" <leckie.jas@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 1:02:06 PM Subject: M_Boats: Cockpit Drain Hi All, its me again, I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably. At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor. I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured. What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them? Thanks in advance for everyone's input. Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
Mmm, I see, just as long as it is normal and I have optimized the potential for keeping it to a minimum. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 9:07 PM , <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
This is normal, because a displacement hull gets lower into the water the faster it goes.
If it bothers you, I have seen people install a check valve so water can only flow out, along with a vertical tube for the centerboard pennant. Personally, I would consider that a safety hazard for using offshore, as it would slow down the cockpit draining if the cockpit gets flooded by a wave. Dri-Dek mat squares would be another solution.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Leckie" <leckie.jas@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 1:02:06 PM Subject: M_Boats: Cockpit Drain
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
As Dave said, the water level in the drain will be just a few inches below the cockpit floor, level with the water outside the boat. That's how it is in my M17 with just me in it. When I'm near the rear of the cockpit and a heavier friend is climbing in or out over the stern and nothing heavy forward, the water just comes to the top edge of the drain. I've not gotten water actively coming in, but the drain has only an inch or two of "freeboard" which is AFAIK normal. cheers, John On 08/02/2018 01:02 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
Hi All, its me again,
I certainly seem to have no shortage of questions for this forum. I was out for a sail off of Point Roberts yesterday in a pretty good breeze, maybe 15 knots and found my M17 to sail quite nicely indeed. This was essentially my first sail on my new boat and she performed admirably.
At the same time though, a new issue popped up. The cockpit drain is acting like the opposite of a drain and the cockpit was taking on water. Back at port, when sitting in the cockpit, the water in the drain pipe, is sits just below the level of the cockpit floor.
I presume a previous owner of this boat did some work on this part of the boat and is no longer configured as originally manufactured.
What is the correct configuration of this pipe? The thru hull fitting is located way below the water line, which I am guessing is not a problem as long as it is configured correctly. Do these drains ever have check valves installed on them?
Thanks in advance for everyone's input.
Jason Leckie 1980 M17 'Kuma' Point Roberts, WA
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