This is my third and final "dumb wheel" question for the group this evening. I have spend a lot of nights on my Montgomery 15. Most of the time the wind has died in the evening so it has been close to calm overnight. A few times it has blown all night but I as secured by lines to different parts of the boat from more than one place off the boat. A time or two the wind has blown during the night and I have been at anchor and the boat has moved all over the place, back and forth, all night, which I think is called kiting. I think I remember a group discussion about this and I think it was suggested that, assuming the anchor line is secured near the bow of the boat, that running a second line from the anchor line to near the stern so that the boat is kept at an angle to the wind reduces or eliminates the kiting. I have found I am not very successful finding things in the group archives including not finding this discussion on how to deal with kiting. So I thought I would ask the group this third question and see if anyone could detail a good process to deal with kiting with a second line from the anchor line to the stern of the boat. The ways I can think of to attach this second line to the anchor line do not seem elegant, to say the least. Thanks much! David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 "Sky"
David, Thank you for changing the subject line on your e-mail to the subject you are actually discussing. I get weary of opening M-boat e-mails with a subject line indicating thing-a-jigs, but the discussion is about whatch-ma-callits. I like to have an approximate idea about the subject before I read half of it. I also want to encourage to feel free to ask questions, they are not "dumb wheel", but questions to which many of us appreciate answers. The only dumb question is one that is not asked. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 5:55 PM Subject: M_Boats: Avoiding Kiting at Anchor This is my third and final "dumb wheel" question for the group this evening. I have spend a lot of nights on my Montgomery 15. Most of the time the wind has died in the evening so it has been close to calm overnight. A few times it has blown all night but I as secured by lines to different parts of the boat from more than one place off the boat. A time or two the wind has blown during the night and I have been at anchor and the boat has moved all over the place, back and forth, all night, which I think is called kiting. I think I remember a group discussion about this and I think it was suggested that, assuming the anchor line is secured near the bow of the boat, that running a second line from the anchor line to near the stern so that the boat is kept at an angle to the wind reduces or eliminates the kiting. I have found I am not very successful finding things in the group archives including not finding this discussion on how to deal with kiting. So I thought I would ask the group this third question and see if anyone could detail a good process to deal with kiting with a second line from the anchor line to the stern of the boat. The ways I can think of to attach this second line to the anchor line do not seem elegant, to say the least. Thanks much! David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 "Sky"
The second line is attached to a snatch block that is placed on on the rode. The second line is attached to the windward quarter and the rode payed out while taking up on the line until the wind broad is on the bow. On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
David, Thank you for changing the subject line on your e-mail to the subject you are actually discussing. I get weary of opening M-boat e-mails with a subject line indicating thing-a-jigs, but the discussion is about whatch-ma-callits. I like to have an approximate idea about the subject before I read half of it. I also want to encourage to feel free to ask questions, they are not "dumb wheel", but questions to which many of us appreciate answers. The only dumb question is one that is not asked. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 5:55 PM Subject: M_Boats: Avoiding Kiting at Anchor
This is my third and final "dumb wheel" question for the group this evening.
I have spend a lot of nights on my Montgomery 15. Most of the time the wind has died in the evening so it has been close to calm overnight. A few times it has blown all night but I as secured by lines to different parts of the boat from more than one place off the boat. A time or two the wind has blown during the night and I have been at anchor and the boat has moved all over the place, back and forth, all night, which I think is called kiting.
I think I remember a group discussion about this and I think it was suggested that, assuming the anchor line is secured near the bow of the boat, that running a second line from the anchor line to near the stern so that the boat is kept at an angle to the wind reduces or eliminates the kiting. I have found I am not very successful finding things in the group archives including not finding this discussion on how to deal with kiting. So I thought I would ask the group this third question and see if anyone could detail a good process to deal with kiting with a second line from the anchor line to the stern of the boat. The ways I can think of to attach this second line to the anchor line do not seem elegant, to say the least.
Thanks much!
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 "Sky"
I also want to encourage to feel free to ask questions, they are not "dumb wheel", but questions to which many of us appreciate answers. The only dumb question is one that is not asked. Steve I don't know about that Steve. I once asked my ex-wife, "Will you marry me?" Even a face palm couldn't undo that question. Bill "C" Day M-15, "Gee Whiz!", 363 On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 8:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
David, Thank you for changing the subject line on your e-mail to the subject you are actually discussing. I get weary of opening M-boat e-mails with a subject line indicating thing-a-jigs, but the discussion is about whatch-ma-callits. I like to have an approximate idea about the subject before I read half of it. I also want to encourage to feel free to ask questions, they are not "dumb wheel", but questions to which many of us appreciate answers. The only dumb question is one that is not asked. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 5:55 PM Subject: M_Boats: Avoiding Kiting at Anchor
This is my third and final "dumb wheel" question for the group this evening.
I have spend a lot of nights on my Montgomery 15. Most of the time the wind has died in the evening so it has been close to calm overnight. A few times it has blown all night but I as secured by lines to different parts of the boat from more than one place off the boat. A time or two the wind has blown during the night and I have been at anchor and the boat has moved all over the place, back and forth, all night, which I think is called kiting.
I think I remember a group discussion about this and I think it was suggested that, assuming the anchor line is secured near the bow of the boat, that running a second line from the anchor line to near the stern so that the boat is kept at an angle to the wind reduces or eliminates the kiting. I have found I am not very successful finding things in the group archives including not finding this discussion on how to deal with kiting. So I thought I would ask the group this third question and see if anyone could detail a good process to deal with kiting with a second line from the anchor line to the stern of the boat. The ways I can think of to attach this second line to the anchor line do not seem elegant, to say the least.
Thanks much!
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 "Sky"
Why not use your new storm jib as a riding sail? On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
David, Thank you for changing the subject line on your e-mail to the subject you are actually discussing. I get weary of opening M-boat e-mails with a subject line indicating thing-a-jigs, but the discussion is about whatch-ma-callits. I like to have an approximate idea about the subject before I read half of it. I also want to encourage to feel free to ask questions, they are not "dumb wheel", but questions to which many of us appreciate answers. The only dumb question is one that is not asked. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 5:55 PM Subject: M_Boats: Avoiding Kiting at Anchor
This is my third and final "dumb wheel" question for the group this evening.
I have spend a lot of nights on my Montgomery 15. Most of the time the wind has died in the evening so it has been close to calm overnight. A few times it has blown all night but I as secured by lines to different parts of the boat from more than one place off the boat. A time or two the wind has blown during the night and I have been at anchor and the boat has moved all over the place, back and forth, all night, which I think is called kiting.
I think I remember a group discussion about this and I think it was suggested that, assuming the anchor line is secured near the bow of the boat, that running a second line from the anchor line to near the stern so that the boat is kept at an angle to the wind reduces or eliminates the kiting. I have found I am not very successful finding things in the group archives including not finding this discussion on how to deal with kiting. So I thought I would ask the group this third question and see if anyone could detail a good process to deal with kiting with a second line from the anchor line to the stern of the boat. The ways I can think of to attach this second line to the anchor line do not seem elegant, to say the least.
Thanks much!
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 "Sky"
I've tried an anchor riding sail on my M17 CornDog without much success. The mounting position on the backstay above the bridle puts it too high up and too far forward. I've also experimented with the technique of running a line from a stern cleat to the anchor line with the objective of holding the boat on one "tack" so to speak. It's pretty easy to rig, but only works well if the wind is steady. I've found that shifting or gusting winds will still swing the boat to the other tack and then you have a bit of a mess with your stern line now going under the boat. You can rig it by simply pulling in your anchor line the desired amount, tying your stern line to it with what I call a clinch knot ( similar to a prussik), letting it back out and then adjusting the angle at the stern cleat. But again, only effective is a steady wind. About the only thing I've found that works real well is to run a stern line to shore if you can get in close enough. Good luck. Larry On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Wilson Frye <fryewe@me.com> wrote:
Why not use your new storm jib as a riding sail?
On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:28 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
David, Thank you for changing the subject line on your e-mail to the subject you are actually discussing. I get weary of opening M-boat e-mails with a subject line indicating thing-a-jigs, but the discussion is about whatch-ma-callits. I like to have an approximate idea about the subject before I read half of it. I also want to encourage to feel free to ask questions, they are not "dumb wheel", but questions to which many of us appreciate answers. The only dumb question is one that is not asked. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 5:55 PM Subject: M_Boats: Avoiding Kiting at Anchor
This is my third and final "dumb wheel" question for the group this evening.
I have spend a lot of nights on my Montgomery 15. Most of the time the wind has died in the evening so it has been close to calm overnight. A few times it has blown all night but I as secured by lines to different parts of the boat from more than one place off the boat. A time or two the wind has blown during the night and I have been at anchor and the boat has moved all over the place, back and forth, all night, which I think is called kiting.
I think I remember a group discussion about this and I think it was suggested that, assuming the anchor line is secured near the bow of the boat, that running a second line from the anchor line to near the stern so that the boat is kept at an angle to the wind reduces or eliminates the kiting. I have found I am not very successful finding things in the group archives including not finding this discussion on how to deal with kiting. So I thought I would ask the group this third question and see if anyone could detail a good process to deal with kiting with a second line from the anchor line to the stern of the boat. The ways I can think of to attach this second line to the anchor line do not seem elegant, to say the least.
Thanks much!
David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 Serial 369 "Sky"
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