Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15 i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long" any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water thanks On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 2:00 PM, < montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:12:50 -0700 From: <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "'For and abmontgomery forum" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor Message-ID: <DA09D234268849B98883323D0253A4CD@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots!
-----Original Message----- From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM To: 'For and abmontgomery forum Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:21:06 -0400 From: Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor Message-ID: <CACknUZU41PNHue_Kbp5dR7CGmBNwmiLmBRtv9674xWBm- z_XnA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree! Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and not have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over...
On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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The 15 was designed for a short shaft,. but some complain that it cavitates when people go fwd, and prefer the long shaft because of that. Not me! -----Original Message----- From: brad kurlancheek Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 10:09 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15 i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long" any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water thanks On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 2:00 PM, < montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:12:50 -0700 From: <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "'For and abmontgomery forum" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor Message-ID: <DA09D234268849B98883323D0253A4CD@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:16:54 -0700 From: <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor Message-ID: <D746AB336F6E4E5084CBF9DDDAC0CB8F@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots!
-----Original Message----- From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM To: 'For and abmontgomery forum Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:21:06 -0400 From: Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor Message-ID: <CACknUZU41PNHue_Kbp5dR7CGmBNwmiLmBRtv9674xWBm- z_XnA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree! Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and not have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over...
On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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You're right about the weight of the battery (mine's a lot heavier than that), but the weight can go forward and low in the boat rather than hi and over the transom. Any weight up hi is anti ballast; down low it becomes ballast. -----Original Message----- From: brad kurlancheek Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 10:09 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15 i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long" any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water thanks On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 2:00 PM, < montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
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I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:16:54 -0700 From: <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor Message-ID: <D746AB336F6E4E5084CBF9DDDAC0CB8F@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots!
-----Original Message----- From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM To: 'For and abmontgomery forum Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:21:06 -0400 From: Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor Message-ID: <CACknUZU41PNHue_Kbp5dR7CGmBNwmiLmBRtv9674xWBm- z_XnA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree! Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and not have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over...
On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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Anyone have an example for a mount for a gas _and_ a trolling motor side-by-side? Like an adapter to those spring-up mounts to make the mount top into a "T" ? From: "jerry@jerrymontgomery.org" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: bkurlancheek@gmail.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 12:11 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor You're right about the weight of the battery (mine's a lot heavier than that), but the weight can go forward and low in the boat rather than hi and over the transom. Any weight up hi is anti ballast; down low it becomes ballast. -----Original Message----- From: brad kurlancheek Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 10:09 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15 i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long" any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water thanks On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 2:00 PM, < montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
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I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots!
-----Original Message----- From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM To: 'For and abmontgomery forum Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:21:06 -0400 From: Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor Message-ID: <CACknUZU41PNHue_Kbp5dR7CGmBNwmiLmBRtv9674xWBm- z_XnA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree! Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and not have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over...
On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha. Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15 i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long" any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water thanks
Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to power my 24 ft Rainbow sloop 😊. Sold it with the boat and it may still be running somewhere. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water
thanks
I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine when they put them together. On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to power my 24 ft Rainbow sloop 😊. Sold it with the boat and it may still be running somewhere.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water
thanks
Just the bare essentials 😊. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine when they put them together.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to power my 24 ft Rainbow sloop 😊. Sold it with the boat and it may still be running somewhere.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water
thanks
I had one of the big Seagulls on as Balboa 20- it always ran altho it took constant fiddling. Left an oil slick wherever it went. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Davies Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 5:38 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor Just the bare essentials 😊. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine when they put them together.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to power my 24 ft Rainbow sloop 😊. Sold it with the boat and it may still be running somewhere.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water
thanks
My M-17FD (Coyote) came to me from Jerry, through a legendary list of Arizona Sailors -with a Seagull lightweight. Those of you have not experienced this legendary opportunity need to simulate to understand: Imagine a very early gas lawn mower, with non-recoil starter rope. Place this in a small outhouse on a warm day and after mixing gas/oil and pouring half of it on your arm and hand, pull and rewind the starter rope 75 times. When it starts, inhale the gas/oil mixture until you can no longer see the outboard through the blue haze. Oh, for full effect, do this with your head below your knees... Google British Seagull Outboard for more information. There is an 8 minute video of an older British gentleman demonstrating his Seagull in a trash can. Wonderful. Missing footage of his discussion with his wife after the demo would be classic as well. Directly behind (down wind) from his demo is a full clothes line, receiving a full dose of the smoke from the gas/oil mixture. John in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 7, 2017 8:23 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor I had one of the big Seagulls on as Balboa 20- it always ran altho it took constant fiddling. Left an oil slick wherever it went. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Davies Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 5:38 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor Just the bare essentials 😊. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine when they put them together.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to power my 24 ft Rainbow sloop 😊. Sold it with the boat and it may still be running somewhere.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water
thanks
hahaha, well stated, John. fair winds, Tom B. Monty 17, AS-IS On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:37 PM, jslubliner--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
My M-17FD (Coyote) came to me from Jerry, through a legendary list of Arizona Sailors -with a Seagull lightweight. Those of you have not experienced this legendary opportunity need to simulate to understand:
Imagine a very early gas lawn mower, with non-recoil starter rope. Place this in a small outhouse on a warm day and after mixing gas/oil and pouring half of it on your arm and hand, pull and rewind the starter rope 75 times. When it starts, inhale the gas/oil mixture until you can no longer see the outboard through the blue haze. Oh, for full effect, do this with your head below your knees...
Google British Seagull Outboard for more information. There is an 8 minute video of an older British gentleman demonstrating his Seagull in a trash can. Wonderful. Missing footage of his discussion with his wife after the demo would be classic as well. Directly behind (down wind) from his demo is a full clothes line, receiving a full dose of the smoke from the gas/oil mixture.
John in Tucson
-----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Aug 7, 2017 8:23 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
I had one of the big Seagulls on as Balboa 20- it always ran altho it took constant fiddling. Left an oil slick wherever it went.
-----Original Message----- From: Rick Davies Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 5:38 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
Just the bare essentials 😊.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 10:57 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I remember those Seagulls. Always seemed like they forgot half the engine when they put them together.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Reminds me of the British Seagull that I used for years in the 60s to power my 24 ft Rainbow sloop 😊. Sold it with the boat and it may still be running somewhere.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 6:31 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water
thanks
Good to read that I am not the only guy hanging on to my old 2 stroke outboard for my M-15. Ain't the latest technology, but it, like the boat, have long been paid for. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:30 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha. Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15 i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long" any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water thanks
Yeah, Steve, I sure would hang on tight to that ole 2 hp two stroke. They are very hard to find now a days. Bought a 3.5 Tohatsu for my 17 and it weighs 40 pounds but it runs fine. On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Good to read that I am not the only guy hanging on to my old 2 stroke outboard for my M-15. Ain't the latest technology, but it, like the boat, have long been paid for. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:30 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha.
Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmis sion.com> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water
thanks
I have the original 4-hp Johnson on my 17, and wrestle my conscience over it almost daily. I like that it is light and powerful, and original. I'm slowly getting to the point where I can recognize a fit of temperament coming on and keep it running when it tries to embarrass me. I don't so much like the noise, or having to steer the boat upside-down, backwards, and with my keel in the air when it is reversed. I'm thinking about stripping it down, cleaning it up, and giving it a new paint job. If I do that we'll be bonded for life. On Aug 6, 2017, 7:56 PM -0700, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>, wrote:
Yeah, Steve, I sure would hang on tight to that ole 2 hp two stroke. They are very hard to find now a days. Bought a 3.5 Tohatsu for my 17 and it weighs 40 pounds but it runs fine.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Good to read that I am not the only guy hanging on to my old 2 stroke outboard for my M-15. Ain't the latest technology, but it, like the boat, have long been paid for.
Where are you sailing? When I sailed against the current on the Columbia and Willemtte Rivers and now against the tide, coming and going, on South Puget Sound, I am glad I have the original 4 hp Mariner in my M-15. Remember when I bought the boat, the dealer wanted to sell a 2 hp with it, but I knew about the currents then. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: David Rifkind Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 12:34 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor I have the original 4-hp Johnson on my 17, and wrestle my conscience over it almost daily. I like that it is light and powerful, and original. I'm slowly getting to the point where I can recognize a fit of temperament coming on and keep it running when it tries to embarrass me. I don't so much like the noise, or having to steer the boat upside-down, backwards, and with my keel in the air when it is reversed. I'm thinking about stripping it down, cleaning it up, and giving it a new paint job. If I do that we'll be bonded for life. On Aug 6, 2017, 7:56 PM -0700, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>, wrote:
Yeah, Steve, I sure would hang on tight to that ole 2 hp two stroke. They are very hard to find now a days. Bought a 3.5 Tohatsu for my 17 and it weighs 40 pounds but it runs fine.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Good to read that I am not the only guy hanging on to my old 2 stroke outboard for my M-15. Ain't the latest technology, but it, like the boat, have long been paid for.
I have a 2 hp Mariner 2-stroke and a 2 hp Honda 4-stroke for my Potter 14, and for my 2004 M17 a 5 hp Honda and a Torqeedo electric with an extra battery. All are fine, completely reliable motors, but for the Potter I always end up using the wind and no motor (except on weird places like Lake Powell), and on the Montgomery the electric. I’m not saving the earth by going electric (almost all that energy comes from “nasty” sources), but they are quiet and don’t require gasoline onboard or in the car. That said, gasoline outboards were a marvelous invention.
On Aug 7, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@Q.com> wrote:
Where are you sailing? When I sailed against the current on the Columbia and Willemtte Rivers and now against the tide, coming and going, on South Puget Sound, I am glad I have the original 4 hp Mariner in my M-15. Remember when I bought the boat, the dealer wanted to sell a 2 hp with it, but I knew about the currents then. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: David Rifkind Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 12:34 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor
I have the original 4-hp Johnson on my 17, and wrestle my conscience over it almost daily. I like that it is light and powerful, and original. I'm slowly getting to the point where I can recognize a fit of temperament coming on and keep it running when it tries to embarrass me. I don't so much like the noise, or having to steer the boat upside-down, backwards, and with my keel in the air when it is reversed.
I'm thinking about stripping it down, cleaning it up, and giving it a new paint job. If I do that we'll be bonded for life.
On Aug 6, 2017, 7:56 PM -0700, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>, wrote:
Yeah, Steve, I sure would hang on tight to that ole 2 hp two stroke. They are very hard to find now a days. Bought a 3.5 Tohatsu for my 17 and it weighs 40 pounds but it runs fine.
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Good to read that I am not the only guy hanging on to my old 2 stroke outboard for my M-15. Ain't the latest technology, but it, like the > boat, have long been paid for.
Good to read that I am not the only guy hanging on to my old 2 stroke outboard for my M-15. Ain't the latest technology, but it, like the boat, have long been paid for. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:30 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor If really want a light motor, none of the newer ones compare well to any of the old 2-stroke 2hp motors that can be found cheap nowadays. I really like my 19lb Yamaha 2hp, but used to have a Cruise'N'Carry that only weighed 12 lbs, but was much lower quality and louder than the Yamaha. Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "brad kurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:09:08 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: electric motor i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15 i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long" any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water thanks
Suzuki's own website doesn't show a 20" shaft for their 2.5 hp, only 15". Oddly, onlineoutboards.com now does show a 20" shaft option for the Suzuki 2.5 hp (didn't last time I looked some moths ago). But their Honda 2.3 page still also says Honda has the only 20" shaft model in that power range. If Suzuki now does have a 20" shaft 2.5 hp, it's a much cheaper price than the Honda, and similar weight. But water cooled, so more maintenance than the air-cooled Honda. cheers, John S. On 08/06/2017 10:09 AM, brad kurlancheek wrote:
i've had the same experience, using the cheapie 30 lb thrust on my monty 15
i figure it weighs 10 to 15 lbs, and the battery's about 20 pounds; plus a 15 watt solar panel
lately i've been thinking of going instead with a suzuki 2.5; it weighs 29 pounds - total weight including gas may just be less than the trolling motor setup
am just not sure which size shaft to go with - the 15" "short", or the 20" "long"
any suggestions or experience with either? i did read the article on this in the MSOG website - i'd rather go with the "short", but am just concerned i won't be able to get the prop down low enough so as to actually be well within the water
thanks
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:12:50 -0700 From: <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "'For and abmontgomery forum" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor Message-ID: <DA09D234268849B98883323D0253A4CD@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:16:54 -0700 From: <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor Message-ID: <D746AB336F6E4E5084CBF9DDDAC0CB8F@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
Correct that to 2 to 2.5 knots!
-----Original Message----- From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:12 PM To: 'For and abmontgomery forum Subject: M_Boats: elect. motor
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 15:21:06 -0400 From: Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: elect. motor Message-ID: <CACknUZU41PNHue_Kbp5dR7CGmBNwmiLmBRtv9674xWBm- z_XnA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Put one and a solar panel on the flush deck. Works well, I agree! Had no luck finding a 4 stroke that would fit in the outboard well and not have the prop hit the rudder when not even close to hard-over...
On Thursday, July 27, 2017, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
I know this has been talked about before, but I just got an elect trolling motor; a cheapie with 30 lbs thrust, and used it on my Sage 17 at the Monterey race (NOT during the race!) last weekend. It did the job surprisingly well, and probably pushed the boat at 2 or 1.5 knots in no wind. I used it to get out of the marina and towards the starting line and it was perfect for that. Probably ran it about a half hour total and the when I returned I hooked it up to the charger and it was at 90%. Perfect.
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