Here in Minnesota it's about 55 degrees and sunny outside, with all the trees "on fire" in gorgeous orange, red and yellow (our most beautiful fall in years). Come on out to the Midwest to enjoy it (but I wouldn't suggest staying too long). Unfortunately, Sapphire is out of the water waiting for the inevitable flip-of-a-switch shift to cold and white. Gordon Sapphire St. Paul, MN On Oct 29, 2011, at 3:03 PM, wcampion@aol.com wrote:

Are you bragging Doug? :-) Believe it or not, it's snowing here in the east. That's right, it's snowing in Baltimore in October. What's with that?? If I want snow in October, l would be living in MN. lol Enjoy the weather in AZ.

Skip Campion "Wild Guppy" M-15 #201 1982

"Li'l Guppy" M-10 #177 1974

-----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: Montgomery <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:12 pm Subject: M_Boats: first sail of the Lake Pleasant AZ season

The cool front finally came through and the temps dropped and the wind came up. Took "Seas the Day" ( M15 Gaff Cutter) out to play. The starting winds were 10 ts, gusting to 15 kts. By the end of the day the forecast proved correct and as blowing 15 kts, gusting to 25 kts. SWEET!!!

y the end of the day I was down to a single reef in the main and just the taysail and still moving at hull speed.

got to play with all of the lines a couple of times :-) Thanks, Doug Kelch Seas the Day" 15 G #310

Connie: One result of global warming is increased weather volatility (e.g., Snow in October...). Don't confuse the instance with the trend. cheers, Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Conbert Benneck Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 2:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: first sail of the Lake Pleasant AZ season On 29-Oct-11 5:16 PM, Gordon Gilbert wrote: Its been snowing a turkey feather snow storm since 1 PM here in Connecticut too At 2 PM we lost power until 4:30. The snow is still coming down. The local newspaper says this is the first snow fall in October since 1979. Global warming? I wonder what sort of weed Mr. Gore smokes....? Connie

Here in Minnesota it's about 55 degrees and sunny outside, with all the trees "on fire" in gorgeous orange, red and yellow (our most beautiful fall in years). Come on out to the Midwest to enjoy it (but I wouldn't suggest staying too long). Unfortunately, Sapphire is out of the water waiting for the inevitable flip-of-a-switch shift to cold and white.

Gordon Sapphire St. Paul, MN

On Oct 29, 2011, at 3:03 PM, wcampion@aol.com wrote:

...

Are you bragging Doug? :-) Believe it or not, it's snowing here in the east. That's right, it's snowing in Baltimore in October. What's with that?? If I want snow in October, l would be living in MN. lol Enjoy the weather in AZ.

Skip Campion "Wild Guppy" M-15 #201 1982

"Li'l Guppy" M-10 #177 1974

-----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch<doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: Montgomery<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:12 pm Subject: M_Boats: first sail of the Lake Pleasant AZ season

The cool front finally came through and the temps dropped and the wind came up. Took "Seas the Day" ( M15 Gaff Cutter) out to play. The starting winds were 10 ts, gusting to 15 kts. By the end of the day the forecast proved correct and as blowing 15 kts, gusting to 25 kts. SWEET!!!

y the end of the day I was down to a single reef in the main and just the taysail and still moving at hull speed.

got to play with all of the lines a couple of times :-) Thanks, Doug Kelch Seas the Day" 15 G #310

It's like watching someone riding up the airport escalator while playing with a yoyo. Everyone focuses on the yoyo going up and down and up and down without focusing on the fact that the escalator is still going up, up, up. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Boles To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:07 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: first sail of the Lake Pleasant AZ season Connie: One result of global warming is increased weather volatility (e.g., Snow in October...). Don't confuse the instance with the trend. cheers, Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Conbert Benneck Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 2:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: first sail of the Lake Pleasant AZ season On 29-Oct-11 5:16 PM, Gordon Gilbert wrote: Its been snowing a turkey feather snow storm since 1 PM here in Connecticut too At 2 PM we lost power until 4:30. The snow is still coming down. The local newspaper says this is the first snow fall in October since 1979. Global warming? I wonder what sort of weed Mr. Gore smokes....? Connie

Here in Minnesota it's about 55 degrees and sunny outside, with all the trees "on fire" in gorgeous orange, red and yellow (our most beautiful fall in years). Come on out to the Midwest to enjoy it (but I wouldn't suggest staying too long). Unfortunately, Sapphire is out of the water waiting for the inevitable flip-of-a-switch shift to cold and white.

Gordon Sapphire St. Paul, MN

On Oct 29, 2011, at 3:03 PM, wcampion@aol.com wrote:

...

Are you bragging Doug? :-) Believe it or not, it's snowing here in the east. That's right, it's snowing in Baltimore in October. What's with that?? If I want snow in October, l would be living in MN. lol Enjoy the weather in AZ.

Skip Campion "Wild Guppy" M-15 #201 1982

"Li'l Guppy" M-10 #177 1974

-----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch<doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: Montgomery<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:12 pm Subject: M_Boats: first sail of the Lake Pleasant AZ season

The cool front finally came through and the temps dropped and the wind came up. Took "Seas the Day" ( M15 Gaff Cutter) out to play. The starting winds were 10 ts, gusting to 15 kts. By the end of the day the forecast proved correct and as blowing 15 kts, gusting to 25 kts. SWEET!!!

y the end of the day I was down to a single reef in the main and just the taysail and still moving at hull speed.

got to play with all of the lines a couple of times :-) Thanks, Doug Kelch Seas the Day" 15 G #310

Hello Connie, I'm a new participant in this forum. I'm new to it because I just bought a Montgomery 15 and am very interested in all things M. Just curious where in CT you are. I'm in East Granby. Dave Gilroy She Who Is Yet To Be Named East Granby, CT On Oct 29, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:

On 29-Oct-11 5:16 PM, Gordon Gilbert wrote:

Its been snowing a turkey feather snow storm since 1 PM here in Connecticut too

At 2 PM we lost power until 4:30. The snow is still coming down.

The local newspaper says this is the first snow fall in October since 1979.

Global warming? I wonder what sort of weed Mr. Gore smokes....?

Connie

...

Here in Minnesota it's about 55 degrees and sunny outside, with all the trees "on fire" in gorgeous orange, red and yellow (our most beautiful fall in years). Come on out to the Midwest to enjoy it (but I wouldn't suggest staying too long). Unfortunately, Sapphire is out of the water waiting for the inevitable flip-of-a-switch shift to cold and white.

Gordon Sapphire St. Paul, MN

On Oct 29, 2011, at 3:03 PM, wcampion@aol.com wrote:

...

Are you bragging Doug? :-) Believe it or not, it's snowing here in the east. That's right, it's snowing in Baltimore in October. What's with that?? If I want snow in October, l would be living in MN. lol Enjoy the weather in AZ.

Skip Campion "Wild Guppy" M-15 #201 1982

"Li'l Guppy" M-10 #177 1974

-----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch<doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: Montgomery<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 3:12 pm Subject: M_Boats: first sail of the Lake Pleasant AZ season

The cool front finally came through and the temps dropped and the wind came up. Took "Seas the Day" ( M15 Gaff Cutter) out to play. The starting winds were 10 ts, gusting to 15 kts. By the end of the day the forecast proved correct and as blowing 15 kts, gusting to 25 kts. SWEET!!!

y the end of the day I was down to a single reef in the main and just the taysail and still moving at hull speed.

got to play with all of the lines a couple of times :-) Thanks, Doug Kelch Seas the Day" 15 G #310

Dear Jeff, Do you have a picture or a sail plan for your M-15 gaff cutter? I just got a M-15 and this sounds awfully interesting. Dave On Nov 2, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Jeff Thorsett wrote:

On Oct 29, 2011, at 12:11 PM, Doug Kelch wrote:

...

The cool front finally came through and the temps dropped and the wind came up.

Took "Seas the Day" ( M15 Gaff Cutter) out to play. The starting winds were 10 kts, gusting to 15 kts. By the end of the day the forecast proved correct and was blowing 15 kts, gusting to 25 kts. SWEET!!!

Well speaking of Lake Pleasant, anyone know of a nice and/or affordable place to store a boat until February down there? I just garaged my boat in front of a Northern Arizona snowstorm. We are supposed to see 12F temps on Saturday/Sunday of this week in Flagstaff, but I would love to have some easy access to some of those desert lakes this winter.

Jeff Thorsett M-15 #102 "Scamp"

Jeff, Oh, sorry. Old is good though, I'm an example of that. Dave On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Jeff Thorsett wrote:

On Nov 4, 2011, at 5:21 PM, David Gilroy wrote:

...

Dear Jeff,

Do you have a picture or a sail plan for your M-15 gaff cutter? I just got a M-15 and this sounds awfully interesting.

Dave

Dave,

That wasn't my M15. Mine is just old.

Jeff Thorsett M-15 #102 "Scamp"

Hi Joe, Google "spinnaker launching companionway".   Most racers in boats under 25 feet launch their spinnakers from the companionway, not the foredeck.  Usually with a crew of two or three (think J22, J24, etc).    For small boats, I think  the easiest way to launch and retrieve a cruising chute is from a bag in the companionway or cockpit.  I hang a bag in the companionway.  Before I leave the dock, I rig the sheets, tack, and halyard so I can launch on starboard tack.  (I leave all 4 lines rigged and clipped to the rail all the time.) You don't need or want a snuffer on a micro cruiser. It's more work than it's worth for such a small, easily handled chute.  Here's an overview of flying a chute on a small boat.  How big you are and how much wind you want to fly it in determines how big a chute you can handle.  I'm a small woman, and I can handle the 175 square feet of a Potter 19 chute by myself and it's the same size the one for the M17.  (Keep in mind that you can start with a small chute for learning safely, then sell it and get a bigger one if you want) .   (I use a snuffer for the 600 square foot cruising chute on my Catalina.) An easy-to-handle all-purpose cruising chute for a Monty boat will be at least twice as big as your 150% genoa.   (It could be bigger, but that depends on the windspeeds you want it for).    Pick a spot where you have enough sea room. Drop your jib. Check that all your lines are free, especially the spin sheets. Set your course with the tiller tamer so the chute can be hoisted in the shadow of the mainsail (about 150 degrees to the true wind?) Haul the tack line until the tack of the chute is at the bow, about 3- 6" (?)  inches above the fairlead/block. Secure it.  (make sure you can release it fast if you need to cancel the hoist) Haul the halyard ot the top and secure it. Haul the working sheet, but not too tight.  Keep it in hand. Head up to a broad reach (120 degrees true?) or so to fill the chute. How high you go will depend upon wind speed.  The goal in this step is to get the boat moving fast enough so the apparent wind moves forward so it's coming over the beam.  Finally, ease the tackline a bit, turn slowly downwind, and give a big ease on the sheet. The chute will rotate across the center line and project beyond the windshadow of the mainsail.  When you ease the tackline (and detension the lufff), the chute gets a shape similar to an asymmetric spinnaker and you can sail deeper angles and build up good boatspeed on a very deep reach.   You can't sail DDW without a pole.  For reaching in light winds, tighten the tack line as you steer higer.  that will give the chute a shape close to a genoa than a spinnaker. Always be ready to give a big ease on the sheet if you get overpowered while sailing.  But don't drop the sheet if you get in trouble -- instead, to totally depower the chute safely, you'll release the tack. To douse the chute: Turn downind to about 150-160 degrees, so the main can blanket the chute.  Ease the mainsail so you can pull the chute in underneath the boom, into the companionway bag. Make sure the lazy sheet is free, the halyard is free, tackline is free to run. Release the tack line and pull the working sheet towards you until you can grab the foot of the chute somewhere. Takes 3-5 secs. Release the halyard and gather up the chute.  Takes another 3-5 secs.   Stuff everything into the bag in the companionway.  Stuff it in deep so the wind won't pull it out.  Done.     Fair winds, Judy B PS.  If you looking for new sails, now is the best time to order them.  The fall discount ends Dec 5th.   After the holiday season, prices go up and lead times increase to 6-8 weeks.  PPS.  I didn't proof read this carefully, so I hope others will correct anything I wrote that's wrong.  I'm not a certified sailing instructor, I just sail boats.  Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails USA, Northern California judyb@hydesailsUSA.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica   ________________________________ From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 9:42 AM Subject: M_Boats: cruisng chutes I have been looking at the possibility of a Cruising Chute and found that almost all the discussions relate to 2 or more crew handling them.  But these discussions seem to center on larger sailboats.  Does anyone have any 'real life' advice on the use of these single handed on an M17?  Joe SeaFrog M17

That is some of the best most concise (small boat)info on this topic I have seen. Thanks for going to the trouble Judith. Personally, there are so few gains to flying a spinner I basically only bother when I have had too many frosty browns and might be a little bored. I am quite sure I make more miles to good reaching downhill. Less stress, less bother, more boat speed. Although...there is almost nothing quite so uplifting as a well trimmed, multi coloured spinner dragging a small boat through the water. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Judith Blumhorst, DC Sent: November 7, 2011 14:08 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: cruisng chutes Hi Joe, Google "spinnaker launching companionway".   Most racers in boats under 25 feet launch their spinnakers from the companionway, not the foredeck.  Usually with a crew of two or three (think J22, J24, etc).    For small boats, I think  the easiest way to launch and retrieve a cruising chute is from a bag in the companionway or cockpit.  I hang a bag in the companionway.  Before I leave the dock, I rig the sheets, tack, and halyard so I can launch on starboard tack.  (I leave all 4 lines rigged and clipped to the rail all the time.) You don't need or want a snuffer on a micro cruiser. It's more work than it's worth for such a small, easily handled chute.  Here's an overview of flying a chute on a small boat.  How big you are and how much wind you want to fly it in determines how big a chute you can handle.  I'm a small woman, and I can handle the 175 square feet of a Potter 19 chute by myself and it's the same size the one for the M17.  (Keep in mind that you can start with a small chute for learning safely, then sell it and get a bigger one if you want) .   (I use a snuffer for the 600 square foot cruising chute on my Catalina.) An easy-to-handle all-purpose cruising chute for a Monty boat will be at least twice as big as your 150% genoa.   (It could be bigger, but that depends on the windspeeds you want it for).    Pick a spot where you have enough sea room. Drop your jib. Check that all your lines are free, especially the spin sheets. Set your course with the tiller tamer so the chute can be hoisted in the shadow of the mainsail (about 150 degrees to the true wind?) Haul the tack line until the tack of the chute is at the bow, about 3- 6" (?)  inches above the fairlead/block. Secure it.  (make sure you can release it fast if you need to cancel the hoist) Haul the halyard ot the top and secure it. Haul the working sheet, but not too tight.  Keep it in hand. Head up to a broad reach (120 degrees true?) or so to fill the chute. How high you go will depend upon wind speed.  The goal in this step is to get the boat moving fast enough so the apparent wind moves forward so it's coming over the beam.  Finally, ease the tackline a bit, turn slowly downwind, and give a big ease on the sheet. The chute will rotate across the center line and project beyond the windshadow of the mainsail.  When you ease the tackline (and detension the lufff), the chute gets a shape similar to an asymmetric spinnaker and you can sail deeper angles and build up good boatspeed on a very deep reach.   You can't sail DDW without a pole.  For reaching in light winds, tighten the tack line as you steer higer.  that will give the chute a shape close to a genoa than a spinnaker. Always be ready to give a big ease on the sheet if you get overpowered while sailing.  But don't drop the sheet if you get in trouble -- instead, to totally depower the chute safely, you'll release the tack. To douse the chute: Turn downind to about 150-160 degrees, so the main can blanket the chute.  Ease the mainsail so you can pull the chute in underneath the boom, into the companionway bag. Make sure the lazy sheet is free, the halyard is free, tackline is free to run. Release the tack line and pull the working sheet towards you until you can grab the foot of the chute somewhere. Takes 3-5 secs. Release the halyard and gather up the chute.  Takes another 3-5 secs.   Stuff everything into the bag in the companionway.  Stuff it in deep so the wind won't pull it out.  Done.     Fair winds, Judy B PS.  If you looking for new sails, now is the best time to order them.  The fall discount ends Dec 5th.   After the holiday season, prices go up and lead times increase to 6-8 weeks.  PPS.  I didn't proof read this carefully, so I hope others will correct anything I wrote that's wrong.  I'm not a certified sailing instructor, I just sail boats.  Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails USA, Northern California judyb@hydesailsUSA.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica   ________________________________ From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 9:42 AM Subject: M_Boats: cruisng chutes I have been looking at the possibility of a Cruising Chute and found that almost all the discussions relate to 2 or more crew handling them.  But these discussions seem to center on larger sailboats.  Does anyone have any 'real life' advice on the use of these single handed on an M17?  Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- No virus found in this message. 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PS Doug was sailing faster than Lynne L at the time. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:36 AM, David Gilroy <dbakergilroy@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

Jeff,

Oh, sorry. Old is good though, I'm an example of that.

Dave

On Nov 7, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Jeff Thorsett wrote:

...

On Nov 4, 2011, at 5:21 PM, David Gilroy wrote:

...

Dear Jeff,

Do you have a picture or a sail plan for your M-15 gaff cutter? I just

got a M-15 and this sounds awfully interesting.

...

...

Dave

Dave,

That wasn't my M15. Mine is just old.

Jeff Thorsett M-15 #102 "Scamp"