worst conditions to take an m15
Hello With so many knowledgeable sailors in this group I wold like to ask what has been the worst weather / sea conditions you have experienced and what are the worst condition that an m15 can take? thanks Orlando Velez M15
That my friend, is an impossible question to answer.Thee single most important safety item aboard during rough weather sailing is a knowledgable experienced captain.Battened down and with properly shortened sails, these 15's will take more than most of us EVER want to be out in.There can be no definative answer as there are simply too many variables...namely 'who's at the helm'
What he said. Properly canvassed and sailed, the boat will take more than most of us would want to endure. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of fdurant@webhart.net Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:33 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: worst conditions to take an m15 That my friend, is an impossible question to answer.Thee single most important safety item aboard during rough weather sailing is a knowledgable experienced captain.Battened down and with properly shortened sails, these 15's will take more than most of us EVER want to be out in.There can be no definative answer as there are simply too many variables...namely 'who's at the helm' _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
You gave an excellent answer to the question and correct (in my humble opinion). Among the variables of course is the waterway involved (lake, sea or open ocean). Given that a properly equipped M-15 sailed to Hawaii several years ago and others have taken similar open Ocean voyages it really comes down to the proper equipment and sailing experience. . I don't know what conditions the M-15 (LITTLE BREEZE) experienced on it's Hawaii crossing but I know from personal experience in a 24ft Frisco Flyer and a 31ft Ketch that Trade Wind sailing regularly encounters force 4-5 conditions and often encounters winds up to almost 30 knots (Beaufort scale conditions 5-6 ) . While the ocean can look pretty scary and forbidding from the deck of a small sailboat in force 5 (average 19 knots) conditions, few experiences in life (again in my opinion) can rival running off the wind in 20+ knots of warm trades under a brilliant sun in crystal blue water. This contrasts dramatically however with the exact same wind and sea conditions while hove to or running from a blow in cold rainy northern climes....one of the many variables to the question. If an M-15 is built anything like my M-17 (and I believe it is) I would think it could handle force 4-6 conditions but again if properly handled and equiped. In 20 knots , Beaufort 4-5, I believe an M-15 would be running off the wind with perhaps a small jib only and would taking a bit of water over the stern at times and would need an experienced and alert helmsman to avoid a broach. Much more wind and she would be running under bare poles and perhaps dragging some warps to keep her stern in the wind. The truth is, the boat can take a whole lot more than the crew. Get a copy of Bowditch and look at the pictures of sea state conditions....don't look at anything above force 7 to avoid a pit in your stomach. Kind regards and good sailing...Arnold On Aug 27, 2007, at 7:33 PM, fdurant@webhart.net wrote:
That my friend, is an impossible question to answer.Thee single most important safety item aboard during rough weather sailing is a knowledgable experienced captain.Battened down and with properly shortened sails, these 15's will take more than most of us EVER want to be out in.There can be no definative answer as there are simply too many variables...namely 'who's at the helm'
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I've sailed a 15 in Mexico in several days of 30+ stuff; the first day was downwind, with a reefed main and storm jib, in fact we had a spinnaker up until it got up to about 20 and the 15 handled it beautifully, in fact better than a 17 would under the same conditions. After that most of the sailing was upwind and reaching; we got rounded up a few times but a good time was had by all except for my ex, who was the only other soul on the boat! Remember that we were loaded up for enough stuff for a week, and everything was properly stowed, which means on the bottom of the hull. The 15 went very well in those conditions, in fact we overtook an old Balboa 26 out in the middle of the Gulf, but it had really trashy sails and a pretty crusty bottom. The people on the boat seemed really upset that we passed them to weather in 3 to 4 foot chop, with maybe a few 5' waves and just glared at us. Oh well. I remember that there were two young couples in the buff- pretty interesting if you ask me, and had a definate lack of tan lines. Yes, we were wet. Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arnold Sharpe" <afsharpe@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: worst conditions to take an m15
You gave an excellent answer to the question and correct (in my humble opinion). Among the variables of course is the waterway involved (lake, sea or open ocean). Given that a properly equipped M-15 sailed to Hawaii several years ago and others have taken similar open Ocean voyages it really comes down to the proper equipment and sailing experience. . I don't know what conditions the M-15 (LITTLE BREEZE) experienced on it's Hawaii crossing but I know from personal experience in a 24ft Frisco Flyer and a 31ft Ketch that Trade Wind sailing regularly encounters force 4-5 conditions and often encounters winds up to almost 30 knots (Beaufort scale conditions 5-6 ) . While the ocean can look pretty scary and forbidding from the deck of a small sailboat in force 5 (average 19 knots) conditions, few experiences in life (again in my opinion) can rival running off the wind in 20+ knots of warm trades under a brilliant sun in crystal blue water. This contrasts dramatically however with the exact same wind and sea conditions while hove to or running from a blow in cold rainy northern climes....one of the many variables to the question. If an M-15 is built anything like my M-17 (and I believe it is) I would think it could handle force 4-6 conditions but again if properly handled and equiped. In 20 knots , Beaufort 4-5, I believe an M-15 would be running off the wind with perhaps a small jib only and would taking a bit of water over the stern at times and would need an experienced and alert helmsman to avoid a broach. Much more wind and she would be running under bare poles and perhaps dragging some warps to keep her stern in the wind. The truth is, the boat can take a whole lot more than the crew. Get a copy of Bowditch and look at the pictures of sea state conditions....don't look at anything above force 7 to avoid a pit in your stomach. Kind regards and good sailing...Arnold On Aug 27, 2007, at 7:33 PM, fdurant@webhart.net wrote:
That my friend, is an impossible question to answer.Thee single most important safety item aboard during rough weather sailing is a knowledgable experienced captain.Battened down and with properly shortened sails, these 15's will take more than most of us EVER want to be out in.There can be no definative answer as there are simply too many variables...namely 'who's at the helm'
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I don't think I've been out in the wildest conditions of any M-boat sailor, but earlier this year, I was out with the Potter group in 25 to 30 knots of wind on the south puget sound. I had my main reefed and the jib down. I don't think I would have had any sail up at all with 5 more knots of wind. So, personally, I'd put max wind speed at around 30 knots. Any more than that, you might need a sailboard. But, the most miserable time was motoring back to our launch site-- the next day--into a head wind of 25 knots and driving rain--10 miles or so. Beating into 3' swells and the honda 2hp barely making headway. I was never really fearful of capsizing, but froze my ass off 'cause I didn't dress warm enough. Thought hypothermia would get me first. My guess is the most dangerous aspect of sailing is probably getting heatstroke or hypothermia. Or falling overboard while peeing. --Bob Olson M-15 Seaquel On Aug 27, 2007, at 7:10 PM, ORLANDO VELEZ wrote:
Hello With so many knowledgeable sailors in this group I wold like to ask what has been the worst weather / sea conditions you have experienced and what are the worst condition that an m15 can take?
thanks Orlando Velez M15
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So reduce the risk. Pee in can and dump it over the side. Much safer. And less visible. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel and peecan -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob Olson Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: worst conditions to take an m15 I don't think I've been out in the wildest conditions of any M-boat sailor, but earlier this year, I was out with the Potter group in 25 to 30 knots of wind on the south puget sound. I had my main reefed and the jib down. I don't think I would have had any sail up at all with 5 more knots of wind. So, personally, I'd put max wind speed at around 30 knots. Any more than that, you might need a sailboard. But, the most miserable time was motoring back to our launch site-- the next day--into a head wind of 25 knots and driving rain--10 miles or so. Beating into 3' swells and the honda 2hp barely making headway. I was never really fearful of capsizing, but froze my ass off 'cause I didn't dress warm enough. Thought hypothermia would get me first. My guess is the most dangerous aspect of sailing is probably getting heatstroke or hypothermia. Or falling overboard while peeing. --Bob Olson M-15 Seaquel On Aug 27, 2007, at 7:10 PM, ORLANDO VELEZ wrote:
Hello With so many knowledgeable sailors in this group I wold like to ask what has been the worst weather / sea conditions you have experienced and what are the worst condition that an m15 can take?
thanks Orlando Velez M15
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Thank you Bill for your advise, I was tired swimming behind the boat. Thank you all for your input is comforting to know that the M15 can take that much. And to Jerry as long as everybody else in the boat is enjoying who cares about one passenger. Orlando Velez M15 "William B. Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com> wrote: So reduce the risk. Pee in can and dump it over the side. Much safer. And less visible. Bill Riker M15 - #184 Storm Petrel and peecan -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob Olson Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: worst conditions to take an m15 I don't think I've been out in the wildest conditions of any M-boat sailor, but earlier this year, I was out with the Potter group in 25 to 30 knots of wind on the south puget sound. I had my main reefed and the jib down. I don't think I would have had any sail up at all with 5 more knots of wind. So, personally, I'd put max wind speed at around 30 knots. Any more than that, you might need a sailboard. But, the most miserable time was motoring back to our launch site-- the next day--into a head wind of 25 knots and driving rain--10 miles or so. Beating into 3' swells and the honda 2hp barely making headway. I was never really fearful of capsizing, but froze my ass off 'cause I didn't dress warm enough. Thought hypothermia would get me first. My guess is the most dangerous aspect of sailing is probably getting heatstroke or hypothermia. Or falling overboard while peeing. --Bob Olson M-15 Seaquel On Aug 27, 2007, at 7:10 PM, ORLANDO VELEZ wrote:
Hello With so many knowledgeable sailors in this group I wold like to ask what has been the worst weather / sea conditions you have experienced and what are the worst condition that an m15 can take?
thanks Orlando Velez M15
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William B. Riker