After yesterdays fiasco of the Mast falling I thought bad things were over for the season. No such luck went out to boat this morning and found cabin with water nearly up to bench height. Pumped out by hand and had to leave as my 1st wife of 60 years was scheduled for hand surgery. Returned to boat in evening with trailer and found water at the previous level. Hauled out and parked in marina lot. Left some water in cabin and found leak on Port side close to forward end of bunk board. Need to determine cause and method of repair. Any suggestions? George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
George, My first Montgomery sprung a leak when the end of a bunk board forced a dimple into the hull from the outside. When you do that the inside corner of the simulated planking will develop a crack and let in some water, maybe a lot of water. I got a cardboard tube from a rug shipment, cut it in half the long way and classed it inside so that it took the load of the bunkboard in that area and prevented acute flexure either on the edge or the end of a bunkboard. I then also glassed the crack, actually before I put the half tube of cardboard over it fore to aft and heavily glassed that into the hull. Good luck, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Stan Susman <stanpfa@pacbell.net> wrote:
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At May 17, 2016, 7:13:34 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: After yesterdays fiasco of the Mast falling I thought bad things were over for the season. No such luck went out to boat this morning and found cabin with water nearly up to bench height. Pumped out by hand and had to leave as my 1st wife of 60 years was scheduled for hand surgery.
Returned to boat in evening with trailer and found water at the previous level. Hauled out and parked in marina lot. Left some water in cabin and found leak on Port side close to forward end of bunk board. Need to determine cause and method of repair.
Any suggestions?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
Bummer! Sad to hear this George. And glad you checked back as soon as you did! I recall a post or posts somewhere a while back about some builds of our boats not having extra reinforcing on the broad span of hull where the hull rests on the bunk boards on a typical trailer, and pressure or flexing from that over time causing a crack. Or maybe yours has the reinforcing, but bunk boards in a non-standard location? I'm assuming from what you write that there's not an obvious hole where the leak is. So if there's a crack along one of the wrinkles...? cheers, John S. On 05/17/2016 07:13 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
After yesterdays fiasco of the Mast falling I thought bad things were over for the season. No such luck went out to boat this morning and found cabin with water nearly up to bench height. Pumped out by hand and had to leave as my 1st wife of 60 years was scheduled for hand surgery.
Returned to boat in evening with trailer and found water at the previous level. Hauled out and parked in marina lot. Left some water in cabin and found leak on Port side close to forward end of bunk board. Need to determine cause and method of repair.
Any suggestions?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
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Bummer! Sad to hear this George. And glad you checked back as soon as you did!
I recall a post or posts somewhere a while back about some builds of our boats not having extra reinforcing on the broad span of hull where the hull rests on the bunk boards on a typical trailer, and pressure or flexing from that over time causing a crack. Or maybe yours has the reinforcing, but bunk boards in a non-standard location?
I'm assuming from what you write that there's not an obvious hole where the leak is. So if there's a crack along one of the wrinkles...?
cheers, John S.
On 05/17/2016 07:13 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
After yesterdays fiasco of the Mast falling I thought bad things were over for the season. No such luck went out to boat this morning and found cabin with water nearly up to bench height. Pumped out by hand and had to leave as my 1st wife of 60 years was scheduled for hand surgery.
Returned to boat in evening with trailer and found water at the previous level. Hauled out and parked in marina lot. Left some water in cabin and found leak on Port side close to forward end of bunk board. Need to determine cause and method of repair.
Any suggestions?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
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Glad to hear that I am not only one to have the problem. As Tom Buzzi stated there is a crack along the ridge of the molded board in the area of the bunk board port side. I believe that this was caused when at the end of the season in loading the boat on the trailer we encountered low water on the ramp and in forcing the load I placed the strap over the "V" bumper thus causing the boat to tilt forward on the bunk boards rather than sitting flat on them. To compound the issue I was on & of the boat getting it ready for launch. There where 2 of us on board raising the mast. As you can see there was quite a bit of weight on the boat while it had single point loading. I did not notice this until launch when I removed the strap and the boat went flat on the bunk boards. * At that time I did not suspect any thing was wrong Little did I know😈* *I am planning on using "Harvey's Plumber's Epoxy Putty" the literature states it is good for plumbing and underwater repairs. I plan on dumping a couple of pails of water in the cabin after it cures to check for leaking. I will let you know how it works out. * *George * *Merry Helen II* *96 M15 #602* George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 12:43 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, most likely a crack along the inside corner of one of the wrinkles.
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:18 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Bummer! Sad to hear this George. And glad you checked back as soon as you did!
I recall a post or posts somewhere a while back about some builds of our boats not having extra reinforcing on the broad span of hull where the hull rests on the bunk boards on a typical trailer, and pressure or flexing from that over time causing a crack. Or maybe yours has the reinforcing, but bunk boards in a non-standard location?
I'm assuming from what you write that there's not an obvious hole where the leak is. So if there's a crack along one of the wrinkles...?
cheers, John S.
On 05/17/2016 07:13 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
After yesterdays fiasco of the Mast falling I thought bad things were over for the season. No such luck went out to boat this morning and found cabin with water nearly up to bench height. Pumped out by hand and had to leave as my 1st wife of 60 years was scheduled for hand surgery.
Returned to boat in evening with trailer and found water at the previous level. Hauled out and parked in marina lot. Left some water in cabin and found leak on Port side close to forward end of bunk board. Need to determine cause and method of repair.
Any suggestions?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
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George, I would plan on spanning the crack inside with a couple of layers of glass and epoxy resin at least. Puttying a crack doesn't give much of a strong bridge over the crack and the putty could just crack through along the original crack at some later time, say running over a tree stump while sailing. Also a lump of putty will be rigid and crack instead of flexing somewhat like an epoxy/glass patch will. Keep your feet dry. Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 6:25 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Glad to hear that I am not only one to have the problem. As Tom Buzzi stated there is a crack along the ridge of the molded board in the area of the bunk board port side.
I believe that this was caused when at the end of the season in loading the boat on the trailer we encountered low water on the ramp and in forcing the load I placed the strap over the "V" bumper thus causing the boat to tilt forward on the bunk boards rather than sitting flat on them. To compound the issue I was on & of the boat getting it ready for launch. There where 2 of us on board raising the mast. As you can see there was quite a bit of weight on the boat while it had single point loading. I did not notice this until launch when I removed the strap and the boat went flat on the bunk boards. * At that time I did not suspect any thing was wrong Little did I know😈*
*I am planning on using "Harvey's Plumber's Epoxy Putty" the literature states it is good for plumbing and underwater repairs. I plan on dumping a couple of pails of water in the cabin after it cures to check for leaking. I will let you know how it works out. *
*George * *Merry Helen II* *96 M15 #602*
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 12:43 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, most likely a crack along the inside corner of one of the wrinkles.
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:18 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Bummer! Sad to hear this George. And glad you checked back as soon as you did!
I recall a post or posts somewhere a while back about some builds of our boats not having extra reinforcing on the broad span of hull where the hull rests on the bunk boards on a typical trailer, and pressure or flexing from that over time causing a crack. Or maybe yours has the reinforcing, but bunk boards in a non-standard location?
I'm assuming from what you write that there's not an obvious hole where the leak is. So if there's a crack along one of the wrinkles...?
cheers, John S.
On 05/17/2016 07:13 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
After yesterdays fiasco of the Mast falling I thought bad things were over for the season. No such luck went out to boat this morning and found cabin with water nearly up to bench height. Pumped out by hand and had to leave as my 1st wife of 60 years was scheduled for hand surgery.
Returned to boat in evening with trailer and found water at the previous level. Hauled out and parked in marina lot. Left some water in cabin and found leak on Port side close to forward end of bunk board. Need to determine cause and method of repair.
Any suggestions?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
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Tom Thanks for the heads up on the flexibility Issue. I will have to check my accessibility to the crack internally George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
George, I would plan on spanning the crack inside with a couple of layers of glass and epoxy resin at least. Puttying a crack doesn't give much of a strong bridge over the crack and the putty could just crack through along the original crack at some later time, say running over a tree stump while sailing. Also a lump of putty will be rigid and crack instead of flexing somewhat like an epoxy/glass patch will. Keep your feet dry. Tom B
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On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 6:25 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Glad to hear that I am not only one to have the problem. As Tom Buzzi stated there is a crack along the ridge of the molded board in the area of the bunk board port side.
I believe that this was caused when at the end of the season in loading the boat on the trailer we encountered low water on the ramp and in forcing the load I placed the strap over the "V" bumper thus causing the boat to tilt forward on the bunk boards rather than sitting flat on them. To compound the issue I was on & of the boat getting it ready for launch. There where 2 of us on board raising the mast. As you can see there was quite a bit of weight on the boat while it had single point loading. I did not notice this until launch when I removed the strap and the boat went flat on the bunk boards. * At that time I did not suspect any thing was wrong Little did I know😈*
*I am planning on using "Harvey's Plumber's Epoxy Putty" the literature states it is good for plumbing and underwater repairs. I plan on dumping a couple of pails of water in the cabin after it cures to check for leaking. I will let you know how it works out. *
*George * *Merry Helen II* *96 M15 #602*
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 12:43 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, most likely a crack along the inside corner of one of the wrinkles.
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Bummer! Sad to hear this George. And glad you checked back as soon as you did!
I recall a post or posts somewhere a while back about some builds of our boats not having extra reinforcing on the broad span of hull where the hull rests on the bunk boards on a typical trailer, and pressure or flexing from that over time causing a crack. Or maybe yours has the reinforcing, but bunk boards in a non-standard location?
I'm assuming from what you write that there's not an obvious hole where the leak is. So if there's a crack along one of the wrinkles...?
cheers, John S.
On 05/17/2016 07:13 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
After yesterdays fiasco of the Mast falling I thought bad things were over for the season. No such luck went out to boat this morning and found cabin with water nearly up to bench height. Pumped out by hand and had to leave as my 1st wife of 60 years was scheduled for hand surgery.
Returned to boat in evening with trailer and found water at the previous level. Hauled out and parked in marina lot. Left some water in cabin and found leak on Port side close to forward end of bunk board. Need to determine cause and method of repair.
Any suggestions?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
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Ditto to Tom's comments - hope the accessibility is decent! It wouldn't even take running over a tree stump, just hauling up onto the trailer or bumping a dock might do it if there's just some putty sealing the crack. Without some reinforcement over the general areak, it can still flex where the break is and just pop the putty loose. cheers, John S. On 05/18/2016 08:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
Tom
Thanks for the heads up on the flexibility Issue. I will have to check my accessibility to the crack internally
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
George, I would plan on spanning the crack inside with a couple of layers of glass and epoxy resin at least. Puttying a crack doesn't give much of a strong bridge over the crack and the putty could just crack through along the original crack at some later time, say running over a tree stump while sailing. Also a lump of putty will be rigid and crack instead of flexing somewhat like an epoxy/glass patch will. Keep your feet dry. Tom B
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On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 6:25 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Glad to hear that I am not only one to have the problem. As Tom Buzzi stated there is a crack along the ridge of the molded board in the area of the bunk board port side.
I believe that this was caused when at the end of the season in loading the boat on the trailer we encountered low water on the ramp and in forcing the load I placed the strap over the "V" bumper thus causing the boat to tilt forward on the bunk boards rather than sitting flat on them. To compound the issue I was on & of the boat getting it ready for launch. There where 2 of us on board raising the mast. As you can see there was quite a bit of weight on the boat while it had single point loading. I did not notice this until launch when I removed the strap and the boat went flat on the bunk boards. * At that time I did not suspect any thing was wrong Little did I know😈*
*I am planning on using "Harvey's Plumber's Epoxy Putty" the literature states it is good for plumbing and underwater repairs. I plan on dumping a couple of pails of water in the cabin after it cures to check for leaking. I will let you know how it works out. *
*George * *Merry Helen II* *96 M15 #602*
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 12:43 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, most likely a crack along the inside corner of one of the wrinkles.
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Bummer! Sad to hear this George. And glad you checked back as soon as you did!
I recall a post or posts somewhere a while back about some builds of our boats not having extra reinforcing on the broad span of hull where the hull rests on the bunk boards on a typical trailer, and pressure or flexing from that over time causing a crack. Or maybe yours has the reinforcing, but bunk boards in a non-standard location?
I'm assuming from what you write that there's not an obvious hole where the leak is. So if there's a crack along one of the wrinkles...?
cheers, John S.
On 05/17/2016 07:13 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
After yesterdays fiasco of the Mast falling I thought bad things were over for the season. No such luck went out to boat this morning and found cabin with water nearly up to bench height. Pumped out by hand and had to leave as my 1st wife of 60 years was scheduled for hand surgery.
Returned to boat in evening with trailer and found water at the previous level. Hauled out and parked in marina lot. Left some water in cabin and found leak on Port side close to forward end of bunk board. Need to determine cause and method of repair.
Any suggestions?
George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
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