I have a new M 17 which I keep in a wet slip. It seems to keep around 2" of water in the cockpit when sitting in the slip. I don't store the motor on the boat nor do I have any stores on the boat. Of course sailing it drains. Is this typical. Also, I put the boat in the water for a short period of time to get a water mark for bottom paint again with no stores on the boat. Once the boat is loaded will that water mark change. I just want to make sure I get the bottom paint on correctly. Regards, Tony Reed
I'd suggest not putting bottom paint all the way up to the water line, since waves at anchor tend to wear it away. Keep it lower so that you can scrub the waterline and slightly below without scrubbing the bottom paint. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:21 PM, E. Tony Reed wrote:
I have a new M 17 which I keep in a wet slip. It seems to keep around 2" of water in the cockpit when sitting in the slip. I don't store the motor on the boat nor do I have any stores on the boat. Of course sailing it drains. Is this typical. Also, I put the boat in the water for a short period of time to get a water mark for bottom paint again with no stores on the boat. Once the boat is loaded will that water mark change. I just want to make sure I get the bottom paint on correctly.
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Tony Reed
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Thanks Gary...Any thought on keeping the cockpit drained will sitting in the slip..Tony -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:11 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17 I'd suggest not putting bottom paint all the way up to the water line, since waves at anchor tend to wear it away. Keep it lower so that you can scrub the waterline and slightly below without scrubbing the bottom paint. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:21 PM, E. Tony Reed wrote:
I have a new M 17 which I keep in a wet slip. It seems to keep around 2" of water in the cockpit when sitting in the slip. I don't store the motor on the boat nor do I have any stores on the boat. Of course sailing it drains. Is this typical. Also, I put the boat in the water for a short period of time to get a water mark for bottom paint again with no stores on the boat. Once the boat is loaded will that water mark change. I just want to make sure I get the bottom paint on correctly.
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Tony Reed
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No, mine stays dry. I'm wondering why your drains are below the waterline. How about putting some weight forward? --Gary On Nov 6, 2008, at 1:37 PM, E. Tony Reed wrote:
Thanks Gary...Any thought on keeping the cockpit drained will sitting in the slip..Tony
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I'd suggest not putting bottom paint all the way up to the water line, since waves at anchor tend to wear it away. Keep it lower so that you can scrub the waterline and slightly below without scrubbing the bottom paint.
--Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life.
On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:21 PM, E. Tony Reed wrote:
I have a new M 17 which I keep in a wet slip. It seems to keep around 2" of water in the cockpit when sitting in the slip. I don't store the motor on the boat nor do I have any stores on the boat. Of course sailing it drains. Is this typical. Also, I put the boat in the water for a short period of time to get a water mark for bottom paint again with no stores on the boat. Once the boat is loaded will that water mark change. I just want to make sure I get the bottom paint on correctly.
Regards,
Tony Reed
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Tony, If you use the 4th lap down (not including the bootstripe one) on center you should be fine as far as your water line. Once I got the boat level, I used a clear hose level all the way around the hull and marked it. It worked fine and Seafrog sits perfectly on her waterline. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Tony Reed" <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: M_Boats: Question M 17
I have a new M 17 which I keep in a wet slip. It seems to keep around 2" of water in the cockpit when sitting in the slip. I don't store the motor on the boat nor do I have any stores on the boat. Of course sailing it drains. Is this typical. Also, I put the boat in the water for a short period of time to get a water mark for bottom paint again with no stores on the boat. Once the boat is loaded will that water mark change. I just want to make sure I get the bottom paint on correctly.
Regards,
Tony Reed
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Tony, I am a bit perplexed by your "problem". I have a 1977 M-17, it will ship water into the cockpit well back thru the drain only if I am overloaded in the stern (ie 2-3 heavy persons) I solved the problem by putting a seacock on the cockpit drain line which I keep closed except when sailing in heavy weather or when it is raining. Is your drain exit below the waterline? Have you checked to see if the drain hose has a loop that is above the waterline? The fact that the well drains when you're sailing leads me to think you may have a loop. Regards, Arnold Sharpe, M-17 #265, "LITTLE BREEZE" in Brownsville, Oregon On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:21 PM, E. Tony Reed wrote:
I have a new M 17 which I keep in a wet slip. It seems to keep around 2" of water in the cockpit when sitting in the slip. I don't store the motor on the boat nor do I have any stores on the boat. Of course sailing it drains. Is this typical. Also, I put the boat in the water for a short period of time to get a water mark for bottom paint again with no stores on the boat. Once the boat is loaded will that water mark change. I just want to make sure I get the bottom paint on correctly.
Regards,
Tony Reed
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Arnold, I will check the loop in the drain hose. It seems the cockpit floor does not have enough slope to drain. The drain exit is about 2" above the water line with a motor on the back leaving about l" of water in the cockpit. When I take the motor off the cockpit it holds about 2" of water. It's actually collecting rain water and not shipping water which may be common on the M 17. Regards, Tony -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Sharpe Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17 Tony, I am a bit perplexed by your "problem". I have a 1977 M-17, it will ship water into the cockpit well back thru the drain only if I am overloaded in the stern (ie 2-3 heavy persons) I solved the problem by putting a seacock on the cockpit drain line which I keep closed except when sailing in heavy weather or when it is raining. Is your drain exit below the waterline? Have you checked to see if the drain hose has a loop that is above the waterline? The fact that the well drains when you're sailing leads me to think you may have a loop. Regards, Arnold Sharpe, M-17 #265, "LITTLE BREEZE" in Brownsville, Oregon On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:21 PM, E. Tony Reed wrote:
I have a new M 17 which I keep in a wet slip. It seems to keep around 2" of water in the cockpit when sitting in the slip. I don't store the motor on the boat nor do I have any stores on the boat. Of course sailing it drains. Is this typical. Also, I put the boat in the water for a short period of time to get a water mark for bottom paint again with no stores on the boat. Once the boat is loaded will that water mark change. I just want to make sure I get the bottom paint on correctly.
Regards,
Tony Reed
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Tony, Did Bob install the seacocks for your cockpit drains? I have them and when they are opened I too get a little water but not 2 inches. The only time I had that much water was when I took a friend out and between the two of us we loaded the cockpit with 550 lbs. (He plays Santa in Beaufort every year so that's where the most weight comes from..) But by myself I get a little when sailiing. I can close the seacocks and stay perfectly dry, but I open them up when I leave it in the slip. I guess it's a trade off. If the cockpit floor was higher it would mean raising the center of gravity when the crew gets up and moves about. Keeping it lower means the crew gets wet feet. I'm getting Gortex booties for Christmas to wear with my topsiders. Let's hear what the experts say. Joe Seafrog ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Tony Reed" <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17
Arnold,
I will check the loop in the drain hose. It seems the cockpit floor does not have enough slope to drain. The drain exit is about 2" above the water line with a motor on the back leaving about l" of water in the cockpit. When I take the motor off the cockpit it holds about 2" of water. It's actually collecting rain water and not shipping water which may be common on the M 17. Regards, Tony
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Tony, I am a bit perplexed by your "problem". I have a 1977 M-17, it will ship water into the cockpit well back thru the drain only if I am overloaded in the stern (ie 2-3 heavy persons) I solved the problem by putting a seacock on the cockpit drain line which I keep closed except when sailing in heavy weather or when it is raining. Is your drain exit below the waterline? Have you checked to see if the drain hose has a loop that is above the waterline? The fact that the well drains when you're sailing leads me to think you may have a loop. Regards, Arnold Sharpe, M-17 #265, "LITTLE BREEZE" in Brownsville, Oregon On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:21 PM, E. Tony Reed wrote:
I have a new M 17 which I keep in a wet slip. It seems to keep around 2" of water in the cockpit when sitting in the slip. I don't store the motor on the boat nor do I have any stores on the boat. Of course sailing it drains. Is this typical. Also, I put the boat in the water for a short period of time to get a water mark for bottom paint again with no stores on the boat. Once the boat is loaded will that water mark change. I just want to make sure I get the bottom paint on correctly.
Regards,
Tony Reed
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Joe...I think the Gortex booties may be the best fix. I didn't notice seacocks but I may have very well over looked them. I bought the boat without ever seeing anything but pictures and I have to say, I really do like the boat! It is certainly well made. Regards, Tony -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:32 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17 Tony, Did Bob install the seacocks for your cockpit drains? I have them and when they are opened I too get a little water but not 2 inches. The only time I had that much water was when I took a friend out and between the two of us we loaded the cockpit with 550 lbs. (He plays Santa in Beaufort every year so that's where the most weight comes from..) But by myself I get a little when sailiing. I can close the seacocks and stay perfectly dry, but I open them up when I leave it in the slip. I guess it's a trade off. If the cockpit floor was higher it would mean raising the center of gravity when the crew gets up and moves about. Keeping it lower means the crew gets wet feet. I'm getting Gortex booties for Christmas to wear with my topsiders. Let's hear what the experts say. Joe Seafrog ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Tony Reed" <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17
Arnold,
I will check the loop in the drain hose. It seems the cockpit floor does not have enough slope to drain. The drain exit is about 2" above the water line with a motor on the back leaving about l" of water in the cockpit. When I take the motor off the cockpit it holds about 2" of water. It's actually collecting rain water and not shipping water which may be common on the M 17. Regards, Tony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Sharpe Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17
Tony, I am a bit perplexed by your "problem". I have a 1977 M-17, it will ship water into the cockpit well back thru the drain only if I am overloaded in the stern (ie 2-3 heavy persons) I solved the problem by putting a seacock on the cockpit drain line which I keep closed except when sailing in heavy weather or when it is raining. Is your drain exit below the waterline? Have you checked to see if the drain hose has a loop that is above the waterline? The fact that the well drains when you're sailing leads me to think you may have a loop. Regards, Arnold Sharpe, M-17 #265, "LITTLE BREEZE" in Brownsville, Oregon On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:21 PM, E. Tony Reed wrote:
I have a new M 17 which I keep in a wet slip. It seems to keep around 2" of water in the cockpit when sitting in the slip. I don't store the motor on the boat nor do I have any stores on the boat. Of course sailing it drains. Is this typical. Also, I put the boat in the water for a short period of time to get a water mark for bottom paint again with no stores on the boat. Once the boat is loaded will that water mark change. I just want to make sure I get the bottom paint on correctly.
Regards,
Tony Reed
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Take a look in the aft cockpit locker. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Tony Reed" <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17
Joe...I think the Gortex booties may be the best fix. I didn't notice seacocks but I may have very well over looked them. I bought the boat without ever seeing anything but pictures and I have to say, I really do like the boat! It is certainly well made. Regards, Tony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:32 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17
Tony, Did Bob install the seacocks for your cockpit drains? I have them and when they are opened I too get a little water but not 2 inches. The only time I had that much water was when I took a friend out and between the two of us we loaded the cockpit with 550 lbs. (He plays Santa in Beaufort every year so that's where the most weight comes from..) But by myself I get a little when sailiing. I can close the seacocks and stay perfectly dry, but I open them up when I leave it in the slip. I guess it's a trade off. If the cockpit floor was higher it would mean raising the center of gravity when the crew gets up and moves about. Keeping it lower means the crew gets wet feet. I'm getting Gortex booties for Christmas to wear with my topsiders. Let's hear what the experts say. Joe Seafrog ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Tony Reed" <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17
Arnold,
I will check the loop in the drain hose. It seems the cockpit floor does not have enough slope to drain. The drain exit is about 2" above the water line with a motor on the back leaving about l" of water in the cockpit. When I take the motor off the cockpit it holds about 2" of water. It's actually collecting rain water and not shipping water which may be common on the M 17. Regards, Tony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Sharpe Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17
Tony, I am a bit perplexed by your "problem". I have a 1977 M-17, it will ship water into the cockpit well back thru the drain only if I am overloaded in the stern (ie 2-3 heavy persons) I solved the problem by putting a seacock on the cockpit drain line which I keep closed except when sailing in heavy weather or when it is raining. Is your drain exit below the waterline? Have you checked to see if the drain hose has a loop that is above the waterline? The fact that the well drains when you're sailing leads me to think you may have a loop. Regards, Arnold Sharpe, M-17 #265, "LITTLE BREEZE" in Brownsville, Oregon On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:21 PM, E. Tony Reed wrote:
I have a new M 17 which I keep in a wet slip. It seems to keep around 2" of water in the cockpit when sitting in the slip. I don't store the motor on the boat nor do I have any stores on the boat. Of course sailing it drains. Is this typical. Also, I put the boat in the water for a short period of time to get a water mark for bottom paint again with no stores on the boat. Once the boat is loaded will that water mark change. I just want to make sure I get the bottom paint on correctly.
Regards,
Tony Reed
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Hi Tony, The seacocks were an option when Bob built "Spirit" earlier this year but I decided not to have them installed. Instead I bought a couple of 1-1/4" "Flip Lock Drain Plugs" (West Marine #1919323) because: 1) They can be snatched out quickly if the cockpit gets does get filled. 2) They don't take up any room in the cockpit locker. 3) They need no maintenance. Also, the seacocks on M-17s are not thru-hulls - which means (if you're paranoid like me) you'll want to have a plug around for emergencies anyway. Jim Poulakis M-17 "Spirit" On Nov 7, 2008, at 3:23 PM, E. Tony Reed wrote:
Joe...I think the Gortex booties may be the best fix. I didn't notice seacocks but I may have very well over looked them. I bought the boat without ever seeing anything but pictures and I have to say, I really do like the boat! It is certainly well made. Regards, Tony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:32 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17
Tony, Did Bob install the seacocks for your cockpit drains? I have them and when they are opened I too get a little water but not 2 inches. The only time I had that much water was when I took a friend out and between the two of us we loaded the cockpit with 550 lbs. (He plays Santa in Beaufort every year so that's where the most weight comes from..) But by myself I get a little when sailiing. I can close the seacocks and stay perfectly dry, but I open them up when I leave it in the slip. I guess it's a trade off. If the cockpit floor was higher it would mean raising the center of gravity when the crew gets up and moves about. Keeping it lower means the crew gets wet feet. I'm getting Gortex booties for Christmas to wear with my topsiders. Let's hear what the experts say. Joe Seafrog ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Tony Reed" <treed@communitycareinc.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 3:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17
Arnold,
I will check the loop in the drain hose. It seems the cockpit floor does not have enough slope to drain. The drain exit is about 2" above the water line with a motor on the back leaving about l" of water in the cockpit. When I take the motor off the cockpit it holds about 2" of water. It's actually collecting rain water and not shipping water which may be common on the M 17. Regards, Tony
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Sharpe Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Question M 17
Tony, I am a bit perplexed by your "problem". I have a 1977 M-17, it will ship water into the cockpit well back thru the drain only if I am overloaded in the stern (ie 2-3 heavy persons) I solved the problem by putting a seacock on the cockpit drain line which I keep closed except when sailing in heavy weather or when it is raining. Is your drain exit below the waterline? Have you checked to see if the drain hose has a loop that is above the waterline? The fact that the well drains when you're sailing leads me to think you may have a loop. Regards, Arnold Sharpe, M-17 #265, "LITTLE BREEZE" in Brownsville, Oregon On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:21 PM, E. Tony Reed wrote:
I have a new M 17 which I keep in a wet slip. It seems to keep around 2" of water in the cockpit when sitting in the slip. I don't store the motor on the boat nor do I have any stores on the boat. Of course sailing it drains. Is this typical. Also, I put the boat in the water for a short period of time to get a water mark for bottom paint again with no stores on the boat. Once the boat is loaded will that water mark change. I just want to make sure I get the bottom paint on correctly.
Regards,
Tony Reed
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