Seriously now, I just had the good fortune to have Dr. Wrinkleboat make all new shrouds and stays (too many of them probably!HaHA) for my M-17 tall rig poser. I added another set of lower shrouds that will probably be deleted in the future, but that is my burden, and I am okay with it. Unsolicited Testimonial The work was amazingly accurately measured considering what I sent him. Beautiful, as good as it gets, wire work, delivered on time and on budget (this is from an ex Marine Industry Professional) I was, am, are, impressed. Spot ON. So all of you who just might be looking up at your rig this Spring, remember - those of us with <20 year old rigging can sail with a smile on our wrinkled faces! Those of us with Dr. Wrinkleboat Wires are just grinnin' alllllllllll the time! Buy Shrouds and Stays from Dr Wrinkleboat hisself -None Finer! NFIW- just a happy customer! GO M-17 #a Team Geezer Racing....old and in the way.