I trim my mainsheet frequently, especially in gusty conditions where I prefer not to point up and luff but rather ease then harden the sheet. Thus mainsheet control on the transom would be very inconvenient for me. Are you saying handling the main and steering is not more difficult with this arrangement? How so? Isn't there a certain amount of reaching across, or backward handedness to this setup? How did you solve this problem? Tom Smith Itron Inc. Phone: 509-928-1707 ext. 248 Fax: 509-928-2581 E-mail: tom.smith@itron.com Website: www.itron.com Knowledge to Shape Your Future -----Original Message----- From: Joe Kidd [mailto:jk@yosemite.net] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:39 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Main Sheet Leads M15
Re-arranging the main sail sheeting will probably force the sailor to reside farther aft. I also image such an arrangement makes sail handling and steering a royal pain.
Not so... I repositioned the mainsheet at the end of the boom on my M15 and added a boom vang. With the aid of a Forespar adjustable tiller extension, I sit forward in the cockpit most of the time. Sometimes I even sit on the bridge deck with my legs dangling through the companionway into the cabin. Of course, this seating position is possible only if you remove of all the mainsheet tackle from the bridge deck. Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco a Poco"
Tom: I agree that the best mainsheet arrangement for the 15 is right where Jerry put it. I also sit forward and work the main. This boat is a cross between a dingy and keel boat. I've sailed both for many years and loved them both. The Montgomery 15 offers the excitement of a centerboarder and the safety of a keel boat. Rich Cottrell "Really" "Smith, Tom" wrote:
I trim my mainsheet frequently, especially in gusty conditions where I prefer not to point up and luff but rather ease then harden the sheet. Thus mainsheet control on the transom would be very inconvenient for me. Are you saying handling the main and steering is not more difficult with this arrangement? How so? Isn't there a certain amount of reaching across, or backward handedness to this setup? How did you solve this problem? Tom Smith Itron Inc. Phone: 509-928-1707 ext. 248 Fax: 509-928-2581 E-mail: tom.smith@itron.com Website: www.itron.com Knowledge to Shape Your Future
-----Original Message----- From: Joe Kidd [mailto:jk@yosemite.net] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:39 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Main Sheet Leads M15
>Re-arranging the main sail sheeting will probably force the sailor to reside farther aft. I also image such an arrangement makes sail handling and steering a royal pain.Not so... I repositioned the mainsheet at the end of the boom on my M15 and added a boom vang. With the aid of a Forespar adjustable tiller extension, I sit forward in the cockpit most of the time. Sometimes I even sit on the bridge deck with my legs dangling through the companionway into the cabin. Of course, this seating position is possible only if you remove of all the mainsheet tackle from the bridge deck. Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco a Poco"
Are you saying handling the main and steering is not more difficult with this arrangement? How so? Isn't there a certain amount of reaching across, or backward handedness to this setup? How did you solve this problem?
Tom, et. al., An M15 cockpit is not that big. You can sit almost anywhere in the cockpit and still reach the controls -- with, perhaps, the exception of the outboard. I can sit forward, aft or middle and control main sheet, jib sheets, halyards, reef lines, tiller, etc., with little problem. For me and my admirable, the main sheet tackle was always in the way (blocking the companionway) when attached to the bridge deck, so I moved it to the end of the boom for convenience more than anything else. When combined with the boom vang, I find little difference in main sail control. Obviously, Jerry (the racer) might disagree, but I'm not a racer... in fact, I am usually the only sailor on the lake during my mid-week outings and a tenth-of-a-knot (+/-) is no big deal. As long as the slot between the main and jib is providing good lift, I'm a happy sailor. Perhaps I should give a more complete description of my setup: The top block (w/becket) on the main sheet tackle attaches to the end of the boom with a snap shackle. The lower block is a fiddle block (w/cam cleat and becket) and attaches to the bridle on the transom with another snap shackle. I shortened the bridle until it rides just above the tiller and tied a small bowline loop in the center. The lower snap shackle attaches in the loop. A simple pull up or down sets or releases the main sheet in the cam cleat. Fine tuning the main sail is easy. I made the boom vang with Laser dinghy vang blocks (WM p.1036). Some discussion on this net stated a preference for modern block technology, but I find these inexpensive Laser blocks work just fine. Perhaps they may wear the line more than other designs, but so what? A few feet of 1/4' line is cheap to replace every four or five years. All-in-all, I am very satisfied with my main sheet lead setup. It works for me and I would not want to go back to the previous arrangement. Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco a Poco"
Older M17 owners: Do any of you know the distance from top of the Trailrite tongue to the top of the bow pulpit? My boat is in a cradle at a fiberglass shop, so I can't measure the distance myself. I want to add a tongue-mounted mast crutch to hold the mast so that it doesn't have to rest on the bow pulpit while trailering. I can get a 5' high, prefabricated galvanized mast crutch from a local trailer builder, but I don't know if 5' will clear the bow pulpit while the boat is on the trailer. Thanks!
I just built a mast crutch this year for my 1983 M17 on a Trailrite trailer. The crutch is 70" tall and the mast just clears the pulpit by an inch or so. It looks like that 60" crutch you're looking at will need to grow 10" before you could use it. I can't give you my deck to pulpit height because GRACE is in her slip at the marina and I can't get there until next weekend. Hope this helps. Mark Dvorscak M17 #400 GRACE -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Honshells Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 12:27 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M17 Tongue-Positioned Mast-Crutch Older M17 owners: Do any of you know the distance from top of the Trailrite tongue to the top of the bow pulpit? My boat is in a cradle at a fiberglass shop, so I can't measure the distance myself. I want to add a tongue-mounted mast crutch to hold the mast so that it doesn't have to rest on the bow pulpit while trailering. I can get a 5' high, prefabricated galvanized mast crutch from a local trailer builder, but I don't know if 5' will clear the bow pulpit while the boat is on the trailer. Thanks! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
That measurement DOES help, Mark, thanks: My boat is an '83 also. I can never remember the hull # and my documentation is buried in clutter. I want to say that I have hull #382, which would mean that Montgomery Marine built at least 8 more boats in '83. I suppose it's possible that the pulpit type could have changed within 8 boats, because it apparently changed from Larry Yake's '76 model (76") to your '83. It's enough to know, at this point, that the prefab crutch won't work. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roberta & Mark Dvorscak" <edarts@rosenet.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: M17 Tongue-Positioned Mast-Crutch I just built a mast crutch this year for my 1983 M17 on a Trailrite trailer. The crutch is 70" tall and the mast just clears the pulpit by an inch or so. It looks like that 60" crutch you're looking at will need to grow 10" before you could use it. I can't give you my deck to pulpit height because GRACE is in her slip at the marina and I can't get there until next weekend. Hope this helps. Mark Dvorscak M17 #400 GRACE -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Honshells Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 12:27 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M17 Tongue-Positioned Mast-Crutch Older M17 owners: Do any of you know the distance from top of the Trailrite tongue to the top of the bow pulpit? My boat is in a cradle at a fiberglass shop, so I can't measure the distance myself. I want to add a tongue-mounted mast crutch to hold the mast so that it doesn't have to rest on the bow pulpit while trailering. I can get a 5' high, prefabricated galvanized mast crutch from a local trailer builder, but I don't know if 5' will clear the bow pulpit while the boat is on the trailer. Thanks!
On 6/9/02 9:03 PM, "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> wrote:
That measurement DOES help, Mark, thanks: My boat is an '83 also. I can never remember the hull # and my documentation is buried in clutter. I want to say that I have hull #382, which would mean that Montgomery Marine built at least 8 more boats in '83. I suppose it's possible that the pulpit type could have changed within 8 boats, because it apparently changed from Larry Yake's '76 model (76") to your '83. It's enough to know, at this point, that the prefab crutch won't work. --Craig
Craig: I had one added last year before my CBR trip. Had a welding shop cut a piece of 2" x 2" steel tube. They measured the length to the pulpit. They added flat bars on each side at the top, then I added a rubber v-shaped bow stop. I also had them weld on a couple links of chain to hook tie-downs and/or bungee cords to hold it in place. It also was welded to the front of the winch stand to brace it. Works great. Cost was not high....maybe less than $100 for labor and materials. I prefer this setup to the old way of lashing the mast to the pulpit. Howard M-17, #278
Genesis Trailering, Inc. of Holland, MI is modifying my trailer for me. Genesis builds beautiful galvanized trailers for fishing and pontoon boats: They must have great customer service, because the owner has worked very cooperatively and patiently with me on my Trailrite changes. Genesis offers a stock five-foot mast crutch, but I'll have to ask them if they are willing to fabricate one for me. Thanks, Howard. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Audsley" <haudsley@tranquility.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 10:16 PM Subject: M17 Tongue-Positioned Mast-Crutch On 6/9/02 9:03 PM, "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> wrote: That measurement DOES help, Mark, thanks: My boat is an '83 also. I can never remember the hull # and my documentation is buried in clutter. I want to say that I have hull #382, which would mean that Montgomery Marine built at least 8 more boats in '83. I suppose it's possible that the pulpit type could have changed within 8 boats, because it apparently changed from Larry Yake's '76 model (76") to your '83. It's enough to know, at this point, that the prefab crutch won't work. --Craig Craig: I had one added last year before my CBR trip. Had a welding shop cut a piece of 2" x 2" steel tube. They measured the length to the pulpit. They added flat bars on each side at the top, then I added a rubber v-shaped bow stop. I also had them weld on a couple links of chain to hook tie-downs and/or bungee cords to hold it in place. It also was welded to the front of the winch stand to brace it. Works great. Cost was not high....maybe less than $100 for labor and materials. I prefer this setup to the old way of lashing the mast to the pulpit. Howard M-17, #278
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