Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Can you shorten the rear stays and rake the mast rearward? Also it should tighten more if you crank down on the vang and mainsheet. Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall@bell.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:57:45 AM Subject: M_Boats: Furler Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Robert: was the forestay converted to using a turnbuckle in place of the shroud tensioner? do the side-shrouds have shroud tensioners? link to a picture - https://garhauermarine.com/ProductSpecs.cfm?pid=490 -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com ----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall@bell.net> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:57:45 AM
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Hi David , Yes to question one. In fact turnbuckles on all three stays. Cheers. RTH. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler Robert: was the forestay converted to using a turnbuckle in place of the shroud tensioner? do the side-shrouds have shroud tensioners? link to a picture - https://garhauermarine.com/ProductSpecs.cfm?pid=490 -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com ----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall@bell.net> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:57:45 AM
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Robert. Reads like your shrouds are all to long. The M15 doesn't need turnbuckles, unless you have a furler, and then need on on the forestay. Details on the standing rigging - http://www.msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b15measure/b15measure1.gif Measure your 15s rig and share how she compares to the specs listed in the above linked document. :: Dave Scobie On Jun 26, 2015 9:23 PM, "Robert Hall" <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hi David , Yes to question one. In fact turnbuckles on all three stays. Cheers. RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler
Robert:
was the forestay converted to using a turnbuckle in place of the shroud tensioner?
do the side-shrouds have shroud tensioners?
link to a picture -
https://garhauermarine.com/ProductSpecs.cfm?pid=490
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall@bell.net>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:57:45 AM
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Re shroud tension, and boats without backstays, and forestay tension...below I'm pasting in some info I got from John C. Harris, designer at Chesapeake Light Craft, sailor and racer since youth. He owned an M-15 for some years and regards the boat highly. I was asking comparison questions on his CLC "Pocketship" design vs. the M-15. The reference to side shrouds possibly not being tight was in response to me describing the experience I had with Daniel Rich on his M-15 in high & gusting winds, when we couldn't make headway to windward partly because the forestay would soften too much when we had to briefly round up in a gust. He wrote, in part: "...Racing dinghies, in particular, all get by with just side shrouds and no backstay. Sounds to me like your side shrouds weren't set up very tight. If your leeward shroud was always slack, the mainsheet probably wasn't enough to keep the forestay tight. In boats this size with deck-stepped masts, you want all three shrouds taut as banjo strings. ...I go to a lot of trouble reminding PocketShip builders to set up the side shrouds really tight, both to protect the tabernacle and to provide luff tension for the jib." He also said he's very particular and fussy about rigging (from his racing days) and for his own M-15 he built a custom rig to suit his particulars. He didn't say specifically but I'm guessing the shrouds were adjustable. cheers, John S. On 06/27/2015 06:12 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Robert.
Reads like your shrouds are all to long. The M15 doesn't need turnbuckles, unless you have a furler, and then need on on the forestay.
Details on the standing rigging -
http://www.msogphotosite.com/MSOG/b15measure/b15measure1.gif
Measure your 15s rig and share how she compares to the specs listed in the above linked document.
:: Dave Scobie On Jun 26, 2015 9:23 PM, "Robert Hall" <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hi David , Yes to question one. In fact turnbuckles on all three stays. Cheers. RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:42 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler
Robert:
was the forestay converted to using a turnbuckle in place of the shroud tensioner?
do the side-shrouds have shroud tensioners?
link to a picture -
https://garhauermarine.com/ProductSpecs.cfm?pid=490
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
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From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall@bell.net>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:57:45 AM
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
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Hi Tyler, The answer to your question is"no". I made all possible stay alterations as I have turnbuckles on all three stays.No success. The vang and sheet approach give a little help.Thanks for your comments. RTH. -----Original Message----- From: casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 1:33 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler Can you shorten the rear stays and rake the mast rearward? Also it should tighten more if you crank down on the vang and mainsheet. Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall@bell.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 8:57:45 AM Subject: M_Boats: Furler Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17 Nick and Pam On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Nick, Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before. Rik On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field <nickpamfield@gmail.com> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Two people I know installed their CDI curlers incorrectly, created a disaster.. I showed them the error of their ways and all was fine after that. Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick,
Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before.
Rik
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field <nickpamfield@gmail.com> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Are they that hard to install correctly?? What was the problem? Tom B On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM, <billahrens@comcast.net> wrote:
Two people I know installed their CDI curlers incorrectly, created a disaster.. I showed them the error of their ways and all was fine after that.
Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick,
Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before.
Rik
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < nickpamfield@gmail.com> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Tom, They come with very detailed instructions. If you follow them carefully you'll be OK. Measure six times, cut once. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Are they that hard to install correctly?? What was the problem? Tom B
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM, <billahrens@comcast.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Two people I know installed their CDI curlers incorrectly, created a disaster.. I showed them the error of their ways and all was fine after that.
Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Nick,
Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before.
Rik
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < nickpamfield@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
These guys hooked the halyard to the halyard internal to the furler. You can imagine what happened when they tried to unroll the sail. Just pay attention to instructions. Pulling the jib up the furler with a messenger line is not intuitive. Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 27, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Are they that hard to install correctly?? What was the problem? Tom B
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM, <billahrens@comcast.net> wrote:
Two people I know installed their CDI curlers incorrectly, created a disaster.. I showed them the error of their ways and all was fine after that.
Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick,
Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before.
Rik
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < nickpamfield@gmail.com> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Got it, Bill. On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:44 PM, <billahrens@comcast.net> wrote:
These guys hooked the halyard to the halyard internal to the furler. You can imagine what happened when they tried to unroll the sail. Just pay attention to instructions. Pulling the jib up the furler with a messenger line is not intuitive.
Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 27, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Are they that hard to install correctly?? What was the problem? Tom B
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:13 AM, <billahrens@comcast.net> wrote:
Two people I know installed their CDI curlers incorrectly, created a disaster.. I showed them the error of their ways and all was fine after that.
Bill Ahrens W. A. Ahrens & Associates
On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick,
Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before.
Rik
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < nickpamfield@gmail.com> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
I have one and the fact that it doesn't have an upper swivel makes it impossible to furl in any wind and if you do get some furling done the shape is so bad that tacking is a flapping mess It's best use is when sailing up to your mooring you can take in the sail. Rik Google ads for CDI don't do justice to real life experience in any windy conditions with the CDI and if you like I can sell you one cheap Nick Nick and Pam On 27 June 2015 at 10:17, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick,
Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before.
Rik
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < nickpamfield@gmail.com> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Ha Ha! Furlers are one of those "Love it" or "Hate it" things. Those of us who love 'em can't imagine having to do without one. Those who hate 'em can't wait to get the piece of junk off their boat! Nick, is your CDI furler the ball bearing model? Mine is and I don't have the problem you've encountered. Larry On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Nick and Pam Field <nickpamfield@gmail.com> wrote:
I have one and the fact that it doesn't have an upper swivel makes it impossible to furl in any wind and if you do get some furling done the shape is so bad that tacking is a flapping mess It's best use is when sailing up to your mooring you can take in the sail. Rik Google ads for CDI don't do justice to real life experience in any windy conditions with the CDI and if you like I can sell you one cheap Nick
Nick and Pam
On 27 June 2015 at 10:17, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick,
Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before.
Rik
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < nickpamfield@gmail.com> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Nick What model CDI do you have and what $ are you asking for it? George -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Nick and Pam Field Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 9:47 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler I have one and the fact that it doesn't have an upper swivel makes it impossible to furl in any wind and if you do get some furling done the shape is so bad that tacking is a flapping mess It's best use is when sailing up to your mooring you can take in the sail. Rik Google ads for CDI don't do justice to real life experience in any windy conditions with the CDI and if you like I can sell you one cheap Nick Nick and Pam On 27 June 2015 at 10:17, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick,
Google is your friend. You might want to look up CDI furler as apparently you haven't seen one before.
Rik
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Nick and Pam Field < nickpamfield@gmail.com> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can't seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15's have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
Nick, I don't understand the 'sail-bag' comment. CDI seems to be an excellent furler. The one on my M17 has been trouble-free and effective for over 7 years. Has yours given you trouble? Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Nick and Pam Field <nickpamfield@gmail.com> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
The problem with the CDI is the internal halyard. It eliminates any risk of halyard wrap and makes installation foolproof, but it makes it a real PITA to adjust halyard tension. If you think of halyard tension as a set-it-and-forget-it thing, you will be happy with the CDI. If you like to fiddle with halyard tension, you won't. My M17 came to me with a CDI and I just replaced it with a Schaefer Snap-Furl 500. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Davies Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 9:21 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furler Nick, I don't understand the 'sail-bag' comment. CDI seems to be an excellent furler. The one on my M17 has been trouble-free and effective for over 7 years. Has yours given you trouble? Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Nick and Pam Field <nickpamfield@gmail.com> wrote:
The CDI furler is a sail bag on the forstay and not an effective furling system Nick M17
Nick and Pam
On 26 June 2015 at 12:57, Robert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hello All, I have a CDI furler on my M-15 and even though my shrouds are attached at the after chain plate holes I can’t seem to get the furler taut.In fact there is a little forward rake in the mast at the present setting. Of course our 15’s have no back stays which would probably solve the slackness problem.Any helpful advice? RTH.
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