San Diego Sailing trip report
Returned on Sunday evening from a 5 day sailing trip over to San Diego. Once again we joined our friends from the Socal Potters group. Although, this time, it looked more like the Socal Monty's group...at least for the first day as the Monty's outnumbered the Potters (for the first day at least!) Captain Howie from the Socal Potter group did another steller job of hosting their yearly "Kick-back Cruise" which consisted of some sailing in the bay, some offshore daysailing, overnight anchoring and raft ups, fireworks every night courtesy of Sea World, and a picnic/cookout on beautiful Mission Bay beach as well as a couple of meals at absolutely stunning "boat-up" restaurants . As always, "non-potters" were welcomed into the group and made un-official "potters for a day". Montys were represented by Fuh-shing and Shi-lan in their M15, Matt and Noah in their M17, and Jo and I in our 23. Weather was beautiful (hey..its San Diego...what did you expect!). Big thanks to Howie and the Potter group for allowing us to join them. We'll be also joining them for the third year in a row for their late August Channel Islands Harbor/ Anacapa Island/Ventura outing. This is a no miss event as Oxnard and Channel Islands Harbor is VERY small boat friendly...It always blows....and scenery is great. Lets keep building the "Socal Monty Fleet" participation!!! We got three Montys on the Catalina Island trip, three Monty's in San Diego...lets make it four or more in August. Jo and I will be making a Wed thru Sun trip. Come, bring your Monty, and relax with us for 4 or five days! How about you other AZ Monty guys???.....Put those trailers to use!!!! Howie always does a photo album of all their trips and posts them on his site. His photo album of the Catalina trip is now posted. It is a collaboration of photos from all the participants. Here's the link: _http://howies.net/socalpotter/catalina2008/_ (http://howies.net/socalpotter/catalina2008/) Who's going to the Cruiser Challenge???? I'll be driving up there (without Jo or Daunltess). However, I'm going to crew for Howie on his Sanibel for the weekend. Should be fun. See you there. Sean M23 Dauntless **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)
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Hi Bill, The answer to your fender question is, just what is your problem? If you are alongside a smooth wall, then I hung my fenders from the hand rail on our M15. If you are trying to tie up against a dock piling, then you need a fender board. You hang two fenders on the side of your boat. Then, outboard of the fenders you hang your fender board. Now you can ride against a piling; move fore and aft a bit, and the boat is still fully protected. The fender board takes the rubbing and abrasion, and the fenders keep everything in order. If you want to get fancy, you can add some half round strips to the outside of the fender board which adds to the abrasion resistance. I just used a 2 X 4 .... with some holes bored into, for the lines, it so that it hung properly. Length...? That's a function of where you sail; and where you plan to tie up. Mine was about 3 feet long, but I'm sure that the length of the fender board was determined by what spare piece of 2 X 4 I had lying about in my workshop. I also hung my fenders from the jam cleat on the front side of the cockpit coaming; from the shrouds; or from anywhere that suited today's mooring problem. You need spring lines to help keep your boat in one spot, that don't let it move fore and aft, as well as bow line and stern lines. Connie Bill "C" Day wrote:
I just recently towed my M-15 out to Southern California from Missouri. I slept in the boat both nights I was on the road, and found that it makes a fine "boaterhome". Since I've been here, I've launched twice at Oxnard and done some nice ocean sailing. What I'm looking for now is a good sailing lake within a reasonable distance of my home in Frazier Park (top of the Grapevine, between Bakersfield and Los Angeles). I'm interested in a good launch ramp with a dock to tie up to while I park the car, room for sailing without dodging power boat wakes constantly, and the possibility of good wind. Anyone have a suggestion of where I could find such a lake?
While I have everyone's rapt attention, I have another question. I'm constantly trying different ways of hanging fenders on my 15. Some work better than others, but I still haven't found the perfect solution in 22 years. I'd like to hear what other skippers have come up with for attaching fenders in the right locations for good boat protection. So, tell me, how do you tie one on (fender, that is)?
Bill Day M-15 363 "Gee Whiz!"
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Thanks everybody for the suggestions of places to sail in southern California. I'm going to check out Lake Isabella this Thursday, and some of the other locations later. Maybe on one of my outings I'll run into another Montgomery, or two. I'm retired, so I try to do most of my sailing on weekdays, and leave the weekend water to the working stiffs. As for the fender problem, my main problem is that since I don't have cabin top handrails, there wasn't a really convenient place to hang fenders so the widest part of the boat was protected by a fender. Connie's idea of the fender board, in combination with Doug's idea of a shackle through the chain plate hole sounds like a good solution. If I combine the fenders into the sausage, I should be able to cover all of the area that needs to be protected. I'll get the extra shackles I need, and install them in the locations you mentioned, and that should give me the fender hanging points I've been lacking. Thanks Gary, Mark, Larry, and anyone else I missed for the good ideas for fenders and sailing locations. Probably next month, I'll head for my old stomping grounds in the delta for a multi-day trip. I'll launch at Tower Park Marina, where they lower your entire trailer and boat into the water on an elevator. They then raise the trailer again for you to hook back up to with your tow vehicle. The only problem is overhead wires blocking the driveways to the top of the levy, where the elevator is. That's where I learned to rig my boat in a hurry, just before backing onto the elevator.
From there, one of my favorite places to sail, is to Lost Isle, where there is a really nice restaurant, and a large dance floor. They barge a band out there on weekends for dancing music. After dancing, there are shower facilities and scores of guest docks for overnighting. I'm hoping it hasn't changed too much since I was there last.
Happy sailing, Bill "C" Day M-15 363 "Gee Whiz!"
Bill, Since nobody else has mentioned this let me give you another option for mounting fenders that has worked for me. On page 256 of the 2008 Worst Marine catalog, there are these little "Taylor Made" fender locks. (I didn't find them in a quick online search of their site: you might have better luck) They screw right on to the side of your teak toe rails and the nylon/plastic pegs just press right in. I placed them so that I can remove the fenders from the cockpit without leaving the tiller. If you get the adjustable hangers you can easily change the height as needed. You use regular, easily stowed fenders and the pegs stay right on the fender whips ready to go. They're pretty unobtrusive and they have worked out well. BTW I stole this idea whole hog from another Monty sailor, so there are at least two 15's with this set up. Cheers, George Burmeyer "Haiku" 1986 M15 #385 Santa Rosa, CA On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:34 AM, Bill Day wrote:
snip... As for the fender problem, my main problem is that since I don't have cabin top handrails, there wasn't a really convenient place to hang fenders so the widest part of the boat was protected by a fender. Connie's idea of the fender board, in combination with Doug's idea of a shackle through the chain plate hole sounds like a good solution. If I combine the fenders into the sausage, I should be able to cover all of the area that needs to be protected. I'll get the extra shackles I need, and install them in the locations you mentioned, and that should give me the fender hanging points I've been lacking.
Happy sailing,
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George, Funny you should mention the "Taylor Made" fender locks. I discovered those years ago, and bought several of them, intending to install them on "Gee Whiz!". I misplaced them before I got around to installing them, and completely forgot about them. Now, that you've reminded me about them, I think I'll buy another set and install them before I can lose the little boogers again. These fender locks, in conjunction with some of the ideas other members have suggested should solve my problem of not having cabin hand rails to hang fenders from. Thanks George, (and everyone else), for the good ideas for fenders, and sailing locations, Bill "C" Day M-15 #363. "Gee Whiz!" On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:20 AM, George Burmeyer <gburmeyer@mac.com> wrote:
Bill,
Since nobody else has mentioned this let me give you another option for mounting fenders that has worked for me. On page 256 of the 2008 Worst Marine catalog, there are these little "Taylor Made" fender locks. (I didn't find them in a quick online search of their site: you might have better luck) They screw right on to the side of your teak toe rails and the nylon/plastic pegs just press right in. I placed them so that I can remove the fenders from the cockpit without leaving the tiller. If you get the adjustable hangers you can easily change the height as needed. You use regular, easily stowed fenders and the pegs stay right on the fender whips ready to go. They're pretty unobtrusive and they have worked out well.
BTW I stole this idea whole hog from another Monty sailor, so there are at least two 15's with this set up.
Cheers,
George Burmeyer "Haiku" 1986 M15 #385 Santa Rosa, CA
On Jul 21, 2008, at 12:34 AM, Bill Day wrote:
snip... As for the fender problem, my main problem is that since I don't have cabin top handrails, there wasn't a really convenient place to hang fenders so the widest part of the boat was protected by a fender. Connie's idea of the fender board, in combination with Doug's idea of a shackle through the chain plate hole sounds like a good solution. If I combine the fenders into the sausage, I should be able to cover all of the area that needs to be protected. I'll get the extra shackles I need, and install them in the locations you mentioned, and that should give me the fender hanging points I've been lacking.
Happy sailing,
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on SCRED i place fenders in two locations - * tied to the cabin-top grab rail * tied to the rear cleat in general i find the only one really necessary is the one hung from the cabin-top grabrail. the stern fender is 'just in case' when docking. dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Bill "C" Day <bill@gotrain.org> wrote: From: Bill "C" Day <bill@gotrain.org> Subject: M_Boats: Southern California sailing To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 5:19 PM While I have everyone's rapt attention, I have another question. I'm constantly trying different ways of hanging fenders on my 15. Some work better than others, but I still haven't found the perfect solution in 22 years. I'd like to hear what other skippers have come up with for attaching fenders in the right locations for good boat protection. So, tell me, how do you tie one on (fender, that is)? Bill Day M-15 363 "Gee Whiz!"
Bill, I would look into Lake Isabella as your closest bet, as it certainly has plenty of wind. I have not been there for a few years, so I don't know if the launching ramps have docks, but I would bet there is info on the web. If you don't might traveling further, I am sure Don Pedro Lake on the Tuolumne and the Sacramento-San Joaquin delta would both fit your requirements, and would be a kick to sail; a little warm in the summer, though. They both have good info on marinas on the web. Tom Jenkins; -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill "C" Day Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:19 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Southern California sailing I just recently towed my M-15 out to Southern California from Missouri. I slept in the boat both nights I was on the road, and found that it makes a fine "boaterhome". Since I've been here, I've launched twice at Oxnard and done some nice ocean sailing. What I'm looking for now is a good sailing lake within a reasonable distance of my home in Frazier Park (top of the Grapevine, between Bakersfield and Los Angeles). I'm interested in a good launch ramp with a dock to tie up to while I park the car, room for sailing without dodging power boat wakes constantly, and the possibility of good wind. Anyone have a suggestion of where I could find such a lake? While I have everyone's rapt attention, I have another question. I'm constantly trying different ways of hanging fenders on my 15. Some work better than others, but I still haven't found the perfect solution in 22 years. I'd like to hear what other skippers have come up with for attaching fenders in the right locations for good boat protection. So, tell me, how do you tie one on (fender, that is)? Bill Day M-15 363 "Gee Whiz!" _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Bill: We launched at Long Beach Marina, Alamitos Bay. There's a big launch ramp (I think it's Davies Launch Ramp) just north of the bridge that is just north of that marina. You pay to get in and park there. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Bill C Day wrote:
I just recently towed my M-15 out to Southern California from Missouri. I slept in the boat both nights I was on the road, and found that it makes a fine "boaterhome". Since I've been here, I've launched twice at Oxnard and done some nice ocean sailing. What I'm looking for now is a good sailing lake within a reasonable distance of my home in Frazier Park (top of the Grapevine, between Bakersfield and Los Angeles). I'm interested in a good launch ramp with a dock to tie up to while I park the car, room for sailing without dodging power boat wakes constantly, and the possibility of good wind. Anyone have a suggestion of where I could find such a lake?
While I have everyone's rapt attention, I have another question. I'm constantly trying different ways of hanging fenders on my 15. Some work better than others, but I still haven't found the perfect solution in 22 years. I'd like to hear what other skippers have come up with for attaching fenders in the right locations for good boat protection. So, tell me, how do you tie one on (fender, that is)?
Bill Day M-15 363 "Gee Whiz!"
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Bill: The Alamitos Bay launch was with the SoCal Potter group. The launch ramp map is at the following web site: http://www.howies.net/socalpotter/ We launched at Long Beach Marina, Alamitos Bay. There's a big launch ramp (the Davies Launch Ramp) just north of the bridge that is just north of that marina. You pay to get in and park there. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Bill C Day wrote:
I just recently towed my M-15 out to Southern California from Missouri. I slept in the boat both nights I was on the road, and found that it makes a fine "boaterhome". Since I've been here, I've launched twice at Oxnard and done some nice ocean sailing. What I'm looking for now is a good sailing lake within a reasonable distance of my home in Frazier Park (top of the Grapevine, between Bakersfield and Los Angeles). I'm interested in a good launch ramp with a dock to tie up to while I park the car, room for sailing without dodging power boat wakes constantly, and the possibility of good wind. Anyone have a suggestion of where I could find such a lake?
While I have everyone's rapt attention, I have another question. I'm constantly trying different ways of hanging fenders on my 15. Some work better than others, but I still haven't found the perfect solution in 22 years. I'd like to hear what other skippers have come up with for attaching fenders in the right locations for good boat protection. So, tell me, how do you tie one on (fender, that is)?
Bill Day M-15 363 "Gee Whiz!"
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