Has anyone pulled a M 15 with a Subaru?
I have a M 15 and pull it with a 2006 Subaru Forester. I haven't pulled it over any steep mountain passes yet. Have any of you had any experience pulling a M 15 with a Subaru? I hope I do not need to put brakes on the trailer. Thank you, Bert Felton M 15, #365,Zephyr ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Bert M-15 #365 Zephyr, I pull my M-15 with a 2004 Subaru Forester. It's got a turbocharger, but I'm confident the unaspirated Forester would do fine except at high (very high) altitudes. The standard brakes will work work great. You might need a heavy-duty swaybar, but I'd try towing without any modifications first. The M-15 was designed to be towed by a compact vehicle, so said Jerry Montgomery somewhere on the Montgomery website. John McMichaels M-15 #322 Duck Chapel Hill, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: <Flickasf@aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:21 PM Subject: M_Boats: Has anyone pulled a M 15 with a Subaru?
I have a M 15 and pull it with a 2006 Subaru Forester. I haven't pulled it over any steep mountain passes yet. Have any of you had any experience pulling a M 15 with a Subaru? I hope I do not need to put brakes on the trailer.
Thank you, Bert Felton M 15, #365,Zephyr
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I pulled my M15 with a 2000 Forester for a couple of years. Up and down the Pennsylvannia hills on numerous occasions. It does slow down on the the long hills but does quite well overall. I keep and tow with a fair amount of gear in the boat. I keep the sails, bumpers, 3 anchors, car battery, lots of extra line, light food (non-canned), sleeping bags, two wisker poles, fishing equiptment, stove and kitchen supplies and a junk box. I keep the dense items in the back of the tow vehicle - gas, engines, water, and tools. Thanks Doug Kelch Flickasf@aol.com wrote: I have a M 15 and pull it with a 2006 Subaru Forester. I haven't pulled it over any steep mountain passes yet. Have any of you had any experience pulling a M 15 with a Subaru? I hope I do not need to put brakes on the trailer. Thank you, Bert Felton M 15, #365,Zephyr ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.
I pulled an M15 with a standard 2.5 liter Subaru Forester with all the gear in the boat and the 2hp Honda on the transom bracket, no problem. Crossed the Washington Cascades with it. I pull my M17 with all gear aboard and motor mounted on bracket with a Forester 2.5 XT (turbo, 210 hp) with no problem, but I have surge disk brakes on the trailer. It works great! The problem with towing is more often stopping than pulling; trailer brakes are very important when towing with a small car, IMHO. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. On Nov 15, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Doug Kelch wrote:
I pulled my M15 with a 2000 Forester for a couple of years. Up and down the Pennsylvannia hills on numerous occasions. It does slow down on the the long hills but does quite well overall.
I keep and tow with a fair amount of gear in the boat. I keep the sails, bumpers, 3 anchors, car battery, lots of extra line, light food (non-canned), sleeping bags, two wisker poles, fishing equiptment, stove and kitchen supplies and a junk box.
I keep the dense items in the back of the tow vehicle - gas, engines, water, and tools.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
Flickasf@aol.com wrote: I have a M 15 and pull it with a 2006 Subaru Forester. I haven't pulled it over any steep mountain passes yet. Have any of you had any experience pulling a M 15 with a Subaru? I hope I do not need to put brakes on the trailer.
Thank you, Bert Felton M 15, #365,Zephyr
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Gary, I too have been impressed with the Forester as a tow vehicle (I pulled my Potter 14 from California to Alaska with no problems), so I would be tempted to follow in your footsteps with a new Forester turbo for my 17. How did you get surge brakes on your trailer? Was it a special-order or modified Pacific, or another brand? Is your car a 5-speed manual or an automatic? (Manual transmissions, in my experience, are good at slowing a load down on steep grades with or without surge brakes, but my experience with automatics is limited.) Thanks much for passing on your experiences. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Has anyone pulled a M 15 with a Subaru? I pulled an M15 with a standard 2.5 liter Subaru Forester with all the gear in the boat and the 2hp Honda on the transom bracket, no problem. Crossed the Washington Cascades with it. I pull my M17 with all gear aboard and motor mounted on bracket with a Forester 2.5 XT (turbo, 210 hp) with no problem, but I have surge disk brakes on the trailer. It works great! The problem with towing is more often stopping than pulling; trailer brakes are very important when towing with a small car, IMHO. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. On Nov 15, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Doug Kelch wrote:
I pulled my M15 with a 2000 Forester for a couple of years. Up and down the Pennsylvannia hills on numerous occasions. It does slow down on the the long hills but does quite well overall.
I keep and tow with a fair amount of gear in the boat. I keep the sails, bumpers, 3 anchors, car battery, lots of extra line, light food (non-canned), sleeping bags, two wisker poles, fishing equiptment, stove and kitchen supplies and a junk box.
I keep the dense items in the back of the tow vehicle - gas, engines, water, and tools.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
Flickasf@aol.com wrote: I have a M 15 and pull it with a 2006 Subaru Forester. I haven't pulled it over any steep mountain passes yet. Have any of you had any experience pulling a M 15 with a Subaru? I hope I do not need to put brakes on the trailer.
Thank you, Bert Felton M 15, #365,Zephyr
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Tom: The Forester 2.5 XT is a 2004 with automatic transmission. I ordered surge disk brakes from Pacific Trailer when I ordered the trailer. The brakes were $575 installed, and are galvanized and stainless steel. The work very well. I got disk rather than drum because they don't get grease buildup and are easy to rinse the salt water off of. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. On Nov 29, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
Gary,
I too have been impressed with the Forester as a tow vehicle (I pulled my Potter 14 from California to Alaska with no problems), so I would be tempted to follow in your footsteps with a new Forester turbo for my 17. How did you get surge brakes on your trailer? Was it a special-order or modified Pacific, or another brand? Is your car a 5-speed manual or an automatic? (Manual transmissions, in my experience, are good at slowing a load down on steep grades with or without surge brakes, but my experience with automatics is limited.)
Thanks much for passing on your experiences.
Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Has anyone pulled a M 15 with a Subaru?
I pulled an M15 with a standard 2.5 liter Subaru Forester with all the gear in the boat and the 2hp Honda on the transom bracket, no problem. Crossed the Washington Cascades with it.
I pull my M17 with all gear aboard and motor mounted on bracket with a Forester 2.5 XT (turbo, 210 hp) with no problem, but I have surge disk brakes on the trailer. It works great! The problem with towing is more often stopping than pulling; trailer brakes are very important when towing with a small car, IMHO.
--Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails.
On Nov 15, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Doug Kelch wrote:
I pulled my M15 with a 2000 Forester for a couple of years. Up and down the Pennsylvannia hills on numerous occasions. It does slow down on the the long hills but does quite well overall.
I keep and tow with a fair amount of gear in the boat. I keep the sails, bumpers, 3 anchors, car battery, lots of extra line, light food (non-canned), sleeping bags, two wisker poles, fishing equiptment, stove and kitchen supplies and a junk box.
I keep the dense items in the back of the tow vehicle - gas, engines, water, and tools.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
Flickasf@aol.com wrote: I have a M 15 and pull it with a 2006 Subaru Forester. I haven't pulled it over any steep mountain passes yet. Have any of you had any experience pulling a M 15 with a Subaru? I hope I do not need to put brakes on the trailer.
Thank you, Bert Felton M 15, #365,Zephyr
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Okay, here's a question from a novice salt water sailer. I live near the SF Bay. We are going to try and sail there this weekend if the weather holds. I went once out of Richmond and didn't pump out the motor until i got home (a two hour drive). Is that acceptable? Is there usually a place at marinas to pump the salt water out your motor? I can bring a 5 gallon bucket to fill with fresh water... is that SOP? My 4-stroke Nissan (remember, the one with the gummed up carb?) does not take those muffs that my old outboard did. The only thing i can tell is that you need to put a bucket of water up into the prop area and run the motor til the fresh water extracts the salt. Educate me! Jeff M-17 #336 (not named yet but am not above pilfering some of the cool names i have seen on this mailing list)
I doubt if two hours is long enough to cause damage, but I'd do the bucket routine at the marina to get the job out of the way. t On Nov 29, 2007 10:05 AM, Jeff Royce <jeffroyce@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Okay, here's a question from a novice salt water sailer. I live near the SF Bay. We are going to try and sail there this weekend if the weather holds. I went once out of Richmond and didn't pump out the motor until i got home (a two hour drive). Is that acceptable? Is there usually a place at marinas to pump the salt water out your motor? I can bring a 5 gallon bucket to fill with fresh water... is that SOP? My 4-stroke Nissan (remember, the one with the gummed up carb?) does not take those muffs that my old outboard did. The only thing i can tell is that you need to put a bucket of water up into the prop area and run the motor til the fresh water extracts the salt. Educate me!
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Re: pump out Under the motor head next to the oil drain plug there is another plug. As I remember it is 9mm but I don't know for sure. You can order a flush out fitting that will screw into the afore mentioned plug from Nissan or Swensens in Alemeda. Attach a hose fitting to that Nissan fitting and then attach a fresh water hose to that. You can now run your motor without a bucket and flush out the motor with fresh water. I do this to my Nissan after every use at the slip. My boat (Waka iti, Pearson Renegade) is berthed at Berkeley Marina and there is a fresh water bib and hose next to the launching ramp. I hope this helps. Fair winds, Fred Waka iti San Francisco Bay. Montgomery 12 and 7/11 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Royce" <jeffroyce@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:05 AM To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Salt Water and Outboards
Okay, here's a question from a novice salt water sailer. I live near the SF Bay. We are going to try and sail there this weekend if the weather holds. I went once out of Richmond and didn't pump out the motor until i got home (a two hour drive). Is that acceptable? Is there usually a place at marinas to pump the salt water out your motor? I can bring a 5 gallon bucket to fill with fresh water... is that SOP? My 4-stroke Nissan (remember, the one with the gummed up carb?) does not take those muffs that my old outboard did. The only thing i can tell is that you need to put a bucket of water up into the prop area and run the motor til the fresh water extracts the salt. Educate me!
Jeff M-17 #336 (not named yet but am not above pilfering some of the cool names i have seen on this mailing list) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Fred/Tom... Thanks for the info... i am now up to speed... Jeff Fred Live <flstout@msn.com> wrote: Re: pump out Under the motor head next to the oil drain plug there is another plug. As I remember it is 9mm but I don't know for sure. You can order a flush out fitting that will screw into the afore mentioned plug from Nissan or Swensens in Alemeda. Attach a hose fitting to that Nissan fitting and then attach a fresh water hose to that. You can now run your motor without a bucket and flush out the motor with fresh water. I do this to my Nissan after every use at the slip. My boat (Waka iti, Pearson Renegade) is berthed at Berkeley Marina and there is a fresh water bib and hose next to the launching ramp. I hope this helps. Fair winds, Fred Waka iti San Francisco Bay. Montgomery 12 and 7/11 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Royce" Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:05 AM To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" Subject: M_Boats: Salt Water and Outboards
Okay, here's a question from a novice salt water sailer. I live near the SF Bay. We are going to try and sail there this weekend if the weather holds. I went once out of Richmond and didn't pump out the motor until i got home (a two hour drive). Is that acceptable? Is there usually a place at marinas to pump the salt water out your motor? I can bring a 5 gallon bucket to fill with fresh water... is that SOP? My 4-stroke Nissan (remember, the one with the gummed up carb?) does not take those muffs that my old outboard did. The only thing i can tell is that you need to put a bucket of water up into the prop area and run the motor til the fresh water extracts the salt. Educate me!
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Jeff, Richmond Marina Bay public ramp has a coin operated wash down area where you might be able to get enough fresh water to clear your motor. I usually just drive home (about an hour) and rinse the boat and trailer in the driveway after putting the 2 horse Honda in a bucket of fresh water and letting it idle with the gas off until the bowl empties and the motor dies. With the 4 stroke Honda you don't want to let the gas sit in there very long or you risk gumming up the jets. I can't speak to other 4 stroke brands but suspect they will have similar issues. George Burmeyer "Haiku" 1986 M15 #385 Santa Rosa On Nov 29, 2007, at 11:30 AM, Jeff Royce wrote:
Fred/Tom...
Thanks for the info... i am now up to speed...
Jeff
Fred Live <flstout@msn.com> wrote: Re: pump out Under the motor head next to the oil drain plug there is another plug. As I remember it is 9mm but I don't know for sure. You can order a flush out fitting that will screw into the afore mentioned plug from Nissan or Swensens in Alemeda. Attach a hose fitting to that Nissan fitting and then attach a fresh water hose to that. You can now run your motor without a bucket and flush out the motor with fresh water. I do this to my Nissan after every use at the slip. My boat (Waka iti, Pearson Renegade) is berthed at Berkeley Marina and there is a fresh water bib and hose next to the launching ramp. I hope this helps.
Fair winds, Fred Waka iti San Francisco Bay. Montgomery 12 and 7/11
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Royce" Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:05 AM To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
Subject: M_Boats: Salt Water and Outboards
Okay, here's a question from a novice salt water sailer. I live near the SF Bay. We are going to try and sail there this weekend if the weather holds. I went once out of Richmond and didn't pump out the motor until i got home (a two hour drive). Is that acceptable? Is there usually a place at marinas to pump the salt water out your motor? I can bring a 5 gallon bucket to fill with fresh water... is that SOP? My 4-stroke Nissan (remember, the one with the gummed up carb?) does not take those muffs that my old outboard did. The only thing i can tell is that you need to put a bucket of water up into the prop area and run the motor til the fresh water extracts the salt. Educate me!
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Check your owner's manual. Some outboards are not to be run when flushing with the hose attached to the flush fitting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Live" <flstout@msn.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Salt Water and Outboards
Re: pump out Under the motor head next to the oil drain plug there is another plug. As I remember it is 9mm but I don't know for sure. You can order a flush out fitting that will screw into the afore mentioned plug from Nissan or Swensens in Alemeda. Attach a hose fitting to that Nissan fitting and then attach a fresh water hose to that. You can now run your motor without a bucket and flush out the motor with fresh water. I do this to my Nissan after every use at the slip. My boat (Waka iti, Pearson Renegade) is berthed at Berkeley Marina and there is a fresh water bib and hose next to the launching ramp. I hope this helps.
Fair winds, Fred Waka iti San Francisco Bay. Montgomery 12 and 7/11
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Royce" <jeffroyce@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:05 AM To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Salt Water and Outboards
Okay, here's a question from a novice salt water sailer. I live near the SF Bay. We are going to try and sail there this weekend if the weather holds. I went once out of Richmond and didn't pump out the motor until i got home (a two hour drive). Is that acceptable? Is there usually a place at marinas to pump the salt water out your motor? I can bring a 5 gallon bucket to fill with fresh water... is that SOP? My 4-stroke Nissan (remember, the one with the gummed up carb?) does not take those muffs that my old outboard did. The only thing i can tell is that you need to put a bucket of water up into the prop area and run the motor til the fresh water extracts the salt. Educate me!
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Gary, This is good information. Hopefully my trailer can be retrofitted for a reasonable cost. On another note, the new Subaru Foresters are rated at 2400 pounds tow weight, compared to 2000 pounds in my 1999 and perhaps some later years. I believe these are conservative values, since the Ford Escape with similar horsepower is rated at 3500. Thanks again. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:51 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Has anyone pulled a M 15 with a Subaru? Tom: The Forester 2.5 XT is a 2004 with automatic transmission. I ordered surge disk brakes from Pacific Trailer when I ordered the trailer. The brakes were $575 installed, and are galvanized and stainless steel. The work very well. I got disk rather than drum because they don't get grease buildup and are easy to rinse the salt water off of. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. On Nov 29, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
Gary,
I too have been impressed with the Forester as a tow vehicle (I pulled my Potter 14 from California to Alaska with no problems), so I would be tempted to follow in your footsteps with a new Forester turbo for my 17. How did you get surge brakes on your trailer? Was it a special-order or modified Pacific, or another brand? Is your car a 5-speed manual or an automatic? (Manual transmissions, in my experience, are good at slowing a load down on steep grades with or without surge brakes, but my experience with automatics is limited.)
Thanks much for passing on your experiences.
Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:58 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Has anyone pulled a M 15 with a Subaru?
I pulled an M15 with a standard 2.5 liter Subaru Forester with all the gear in the boat and the 2hp Honda on the transom bracket, no problem. Crossed the Washington Cascades with it.
I pull my M17 with all gear aboard and motor mounted on bracket with a Forester 2.5 XT (turbo, 210 hp) with no problem, but I have surge disk brakes on the trailer. It works great! The problem with towing is more often stopping than pulling; trailer brakes are very important when towing with a small car, IMHO.
--Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails.
On Nov 15, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Doug Kelch wrote:
I pulled my M15 with a 2000 Forester for a couple of years. Up and down the Pennsylvannia hills on numerous occasions. It does slow down on the the long hills but does quite well overall.
I keep and tow with a fair amount of gear in the boat. I keep the sails, bumpers, 3 anchors, car battery, lots of extra line, light food (non-canned), sleeping bags, two wisker poles, fishing equiptment, stove and kitchen supplies and a junk box.
I keep the dense items in the back of the tow vehicle - gas, engines, water, and tools.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
Flickasf@aol.com wrote: I have a M 15 and pull it with a 2006 Subaru Forester. I haven't pulled it over any steep mountain passes yet. Have any of you had any experience pulling a M 15 with a Subaru? I hope I do not need to put brakes on the trailer.
Thank you, Bert Felton M 15, #365,Zephyr
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