David, What is wrong with a M-7-11 in lieu of the Fatty Knees? I believe most 7-11's are a bit less expensive and easier to locate, you have two boats that are certainly 'cousins' in shape and characteristics. Mine is a rowing demon, almost fun to take out and row around - makes a good fishing boat too! GO Gary, I admit it, I'd love a 7-11. Somewhere I recall a Lyle Hess drawing showing a 7-ll style boat on the foredeck of an M17. Maybe I just dreamed it. Has anyone seen that profile drawing? David