Thanks for both ideas, Bones! I'd like to see a pic of your "Ida-esque" kickup idea when you're done ... --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: bownez@juno.com To: chonshell@ia4u.net ; montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 31, Issue 4 Hi Craig, I'm experimenting with adding a releasing cleat to my kickup rudder. I have not drilled holes yet, but I have a plan. It will similar to the Ida idea. As far as your pendant hole, Hooper's installed a small fairlead plate on mine so the rope pendant had a metal ring to glide upon. It works fine. Later, Bones