Rusty, I've been a bike nut and gear head since I was a little tyke. There are definitely connections between self propulsion on land and sailing! Steve Tyree In a message dated 10/31/2003 3:04:32 AM Central Standard Time, mazemusic@yahoo.com writes: That is fantastic! Thanks for the post, Paul. I am a bike mechanic at REI in Seattle and now I am thinking I need to fabricate something with a bike crank, a chain, a prop... I should probably just overhaul my outboard! Is IS a very intriguing idea though. Hmmmmm... -Rusty