Re: M_Boats: Perhaps the M-17 is not for me... M-15?
If you want the 17 and it's within your means, and if you know something about trailering and wheel bearing health and repair and wiring of lights and so on, go for it. Utah's not far, in dog years. If you're healthy and feel comfortable with the rigging, do it. (It's not a featherweight boat, though. Make sure your towing vehicle is a match for it AND for the ramps that you intend to use. That said, the 15 floats off the trailer so fast, you have to make sure somebody's got a dock line in hand before you forget. I love my 15 but if my life could expand to take in an M17, I do it without a thought. Doesn't fit my domestically awkward situation right now. (Wish it did -- at least I'd have a comfortable place to sleep, and fry an egg. But you'll have to wait for my bittersweet novel in order to get the details.) Steven #324 ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&; NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
Steven, you mention trailering as an issue. What I drive is a Subaru Legacy Outback, 4 cylinder 4 wheel drive, rated at 2000 lbs towing capacity. I had figured that with the M-17 at 1600 lbs, plus 400 give-or-take for the trailer, I'd be within the limits, more or less. I've trailered my Compac 16, which is about 500 lbs less than the M-17 (1100 lbs), with the Outback without any problems. I could easily go 75 on the highway. Do you think the M-17 will be difficult to trailer? Thanks, Andrei.
We trailered our M17 to Lake Pepin, about 150 miles round trip with our jeep wrangler 4 cylinder 3 times last fall, and that was before we realized the trailer brakes were not working. i think having a manual transmission helps a lot with towing though. --Chad On Jun 4, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Steven,
you mention trailering as an issue. What I drive is a Subaru Legacy Outback, 4 cylinder 4 wheel drive, rated at 2000 lbs towing capacity. I had figured that with the M-17 at 1600 lbs, plus 400 give-or-take for the trailer, I'd be within the limits, more or less.
I've trailered my Compac 16, which is about 500 lbs less than the M-17 (1100 lbs), with the Outback without any problems. I could easily go 75 on the highway.
Do you think the M-17 will be difficult to trailer?
Thanks,
Andrei.
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We trailered our M17 to Lake Pepin, about 150 miles round trip with our jeep wrangler 4 cylinder 3 times last fall, and that was before we realized the trailer brakes were not working. i think having a manual transmission helps a lot with towing though.
Wow, that's impressive. What year Chad?
Tim ================== --Chad On Jun 4, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Steven,
you mention trailering as an issue. What I drive is a Subaru Legacy Outback, 4 cylinder 4 wheel drive, rated at 2000 lbs towing capacity. I had figured that with the M-17 at 1600 lbs, plus 400 give-or-take for the trailer, I'd be within the limits, more or less.
I've trailered my Compac 16, which is about 500 lbs less than the M-17 (1100 lbs), with the Outback without any problems. I could easily go 75 on the highway.
Do you think the M-17 will be difficult to trailer?
Thanks,
Andrei.
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The sailboat is a 1977, and the Jeep is a 1999. -- On Jun 5, 2008, at 12:43 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:.
Wow, that's impressive. What year Chad?
Tim ==================
--Chad
On Jun 4, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Steven,
you mention trailering as an issue. What I drive is a Subaru Legacy Outback, 4 cylinder 4 wheel drive, rated at 2000 lbs towing capacity. I had figured that with the M-17 at 1600 lbs, plus 400 give-or-take for the trailer, I'd be within the limits, more or less.
I've trailered my Compac 16, which is about 500 lbs less than the M-17 (1100 lbs), with the Outback without any problems. I could easily go 75 on the highway.
Do you think the M-17 will be difficult to trailer?
Thanks,
Andrei.
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Andrei.. I think my friend Gary Hyde picked his Montgomery 17 up with a Subaru as well. I'am not sure, but it may have been Turbocharged.....Forester...here are some photos of his tow vehicle and M_17.....at our boatshop. http://www.msogphotosite.com/M17Hyde.html I think you can sleep in a M_15 but you can live in a M_17. Most of our M_15 customers are singlehanders. Saturday morning launch. Either boat can be rigged for singlehanding. Don't let a slightly larger mast stop you from the 17. Like John Edwards mentioned, its not a big deal. If you have a bad back a simple 4 part block system will do the job. 30 minutes..? who really cares. Most of the time is spend answering questions from curious people, which is part of the fun of owning a Montgomery. For me the bottom line is how many are you going to sail with....? 2 people, the M_15 will do. 4 people, the M_17. Fair winds Bob (949) 489-8227 M boats.
From: andreic@math.wisc.edu> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:41:20 -0500> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Perhaps the M-17 is not for me... M-15?> > Steven,> > you mention trailering as an issue. What I drive is a Subaru Legacy > Outback, 4 cylinder 4 wheel drive, rated at 2000 lbs towing capacity. > I had figured that with the M-17 at 1600 lbs, plus 400 give-or-take > for the trailer, I'd be within the limits, more or less.> > I've trailered my Compac 16, which is about 500 lbs less than the M-17 > (1100 lbs), with the Outback without any problems. I could easily go > 75 on the highway.> > Do you think the M-17 will be difficult to trailer?> > Thanks,> > Andrei.> > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Bob and group: Gary Hyde is possibly out sailing, so I will be presumptuous and repeat what he told the group regarding his tow vehicle a while back. He has a turbo Subaru Forester with automatic transmission and surge brakes on the trailer. He is evidently happy with the way the rig tows his 17. The current (2009) version of this vehicle has 224 hp and 226 foot pounds of torque, and a tow rating of 2400#, which is the same as the 170 hp non-turbo models. Maybe you guys can figure why a vehicle like the Escape/Tribute that weighs the same as the Subaru and has fewer horsepower (200) and torque will safely tow 1100 pounds more than the former. Perhaps it is the lower capacity of the Class I receiver on the Subaru, but one can buy a Class III setup with a 2x2 receiver rated at 3500# and a 350# tongue weight. Tom Jenkins -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob From California Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:35 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Perhaps the M-17 is not for me... M-15? Andrei.. I think my friend Gary Hyde picked his Montgomery 17 up with a Subaru as well. I'am not sure, but it may have been Turbocharged.....Forester...here are some photos of his tow vehicle and M_17.....at our boatshop. http://www.msogphotosite.com/M17Hyde.html I think you can sleep in a M_15 but you can live in a M_17. Most of our M_15 customers are singlehanders. Saturday morning launch. Either boat can be rigged for singlehanding. Don't let a slightly larger mast stop you from the 17. Like John Edwards mentioned, its not a big deal. If you have a bad back a simple 4 part block system will do the job. 30 minutes..? who really cares. Most of the time is spend answering questions from curious people, which is part of the fun of owning a Montgomery. For me the bottom line is how many are you going to sail with....? 2 people, the M_15 will do. 4 people, the M_17. Fair winds Bob (949) 489-8227 M boats.
From: andreic@math.wisc.edu> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:41:20 -0500> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Perhaps the M-17 is not for me... M-15?> > Steven,> > you mention trailering as an issue. What I drive is a Subaru Legacy > Outback, 4 cylinder 4 wheel drive, rated at 2000 lbs towing capacity. > I had figured that with the M-17 at 1600 lbs, plus 400 give-or-take > for the trailer, I'd be within the limits, more or less.> > I've trailered my Compac 16, which is about 500 lbs less than the M-17 > (1100 lbs), with the Outback without any problems. I could easily go 75 on the highway.> > Do you think the M-17 will be difficult to trailer?> Thanks,> > Andrei.> > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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Do you think the M-17 will be difficult to trailer? I'm not qualified to say, and though that rarely deters me, this is one that owners of 17s will have to chime in on.? As I mentioned, I always know the 15 is behind me on the road -- though the fact that the old Tahoe?has needed?new shocks for a long time is a consideration -- so more than doubling the weight would definitely get my attention even with that vehicle.? It's not just a matter of power; the issue isn't just whether a vehicle can pull it down the highway -- just about anything will serve that purpose -- but can it do so safely, that is, will the load compromise your control of the vehicle you're using?? (Driving "styles" play into this, as well.? A lot of boat owners drive like there's nothing back there, insisting on top freeway and turning speeds and remaining oblivious to substantially increased braking distances, not to mention the fact that all that trailered weight is riding on a couple of sets of pretty small wheel bearings, no brakes,?and not much rubber on the road.)? Too, there's the condition of the ramps you'll be using. Lots of variables.? My gut feeling is that just about anything bigger than a Smart Car would work in 90% of the situations.? But as you've noted, given the Outback and 17 specs, you'd be pretty close to maxed out.? You?may very well?get away with it, but you also have to ask yourself whether you want to put the vehicle under that level of mechanical effort at frequent or extended times. -----Original Message----- From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic@math.wisc.edu> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:41 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Perhaps the M-17 is not for me... M-15? Steven, you mention trailering as an issue. What I drive is a Subaru Legacy Outback, 4 cylinder 4 wheel drive, rated at 2000 lbs towing capacity. I had figured that with the M-17 at 1600 lbs, plus 400 give-or-take for the trailer, I'd be within the limits, more or less. I've trailered my Compac 16, which is about 500 lbs less than the M-17 (1100 lbs), with the Outback without any problems. I could easily go 75 on the highway. Do you think the M-17 will be difficult to trailer? Thanks, Andrei. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Andrei, 2000# towing cap seems too light. M-17s are #1600+ without the trailer, or the outboard, or the fuel, or the anchor, or the case of wine. Remember you have to watch your gross vehicle weight rating (which includes passengers etc.) and tongue weight. Here's my set-up for anyone who cares: "Spirit" (M-17) gets hauled around by a 2003 Mazda Tribute V-6 (twin to the Ford Escape) with factory trailering package (3500# tow cap). The trailer is not equipped with trailer brakes (and I don't miss them). I usually lock out the overdrive and do not exceed 60 MPH. The Mazda's mileage when towing is around 14 (MPG down from about 20). Control-wise, the set-up is completely comfortable under normal driving conditions, and reasonably safe under conditions that include 25+ MPH crosswinds gusting to God-Knows-What. Power-wise, the Mazda is perfect for short to medium trips at sea level and adequate for moderate mountains. Driving up to Tejon Pass (elevation 4183 ft) speed was down to 35 MPH, which was still faster then tractor-trailer rigs move up this stretch of highway (I-5 north of LA). The bottom line is that this is a good, safe, set-up for someone who does most of his trailering to nearby areas but occasionally goes for a longer adventure. Since I refuse to have a dedicated tow vehicle sitting in the driveway 330 days of the year, and don't like driving a gas-guzzler on a daily basis, this rig works for me - BUT If I were sailing a lot of mountain lakes I'd probably bite the bullet and get something heftier for the extra hauling power. Jim Poulakis "Spirit" (M-17 #648) On Jun 5, 2008, at 7:48 AM, paint4real@aol.com wrote:
Do you think the M-17 will be difficult to trailer?
I'm not qualified to say, and though that rarely deters me, this is one that owners of 17s will have to chime in on.? As I mentioned, I always know the 15 is behind me on the road -- though the fact that the old Tahoe?has needed?new shocks for a long time is a consideration -- so more than doubling the weight would definitely get my attention even with that vehicle.? It's not just a matter of power; the issue isn't just whether a vehicle can pull it down the highway -- just about anything will serve that purpose -- but can it do so safely, that is, will the load compromise your control of the vehicle you're using?? (Driving "styles" play into this, as well.? A lot of boat owners drive like there's nothing back there, insisting on top freeway and turning speeds and remaining oblivious to substantially increased braking distances, not to mention the fact that all that trailered weight is riding on a couple of sets of pretty small wheel bearings, no brakes,?and not much rubber on the road.)? Too, there's the condition of the ramps you'll be using.
Lots of variables.? My gut feeling is that just about anything bigger than a Smart Car would work in 90% of the situations.? But as you've noted, given the Outback and 17 specs, you'd be pretty close to maxed out.? You?may very well?get away with it, but you also have to ask yourself whether you want to put the vehicle under that level of mechanical effort at frequent or extended times.
-----Original Message----- From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic@math.wisc.edu> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:41 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Perhaps the M-17 is not for me... M-15?
Steven,
you mention trailering as an issue. What I drive is a Subaru Legacy Outback, 4 cylinder 4 wheel drive, rated at 2000 lbs towing capacity. I had figured that with the M-17 at 1600 lbs, plus 400 give-or-take for the trailer, I'd be within the limits, more or less.
I've trailered my Compac 16, which is about 500 lbs less than the M-17 (1100 lbs), with the Outback without any problems. I could easily go 75 on the highway.
Do you think the M-17 will be difficult to trailer?
Thanks,
Andrei.
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Jim, I am in the midwest. 99% of my trailering will be a 1/2 mile stretch of flat land from the parking lot to the launching ramp. The remaining 1% will be going on the interstate, in very flat regions. Thanks for the comments, though. Andrei.
1/2 mile of flatland? In that case just tie it to the bumper of a Honda Civic with a short piece of clothesline. Jim On Jun 5, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Jim,
I am in the midwest. 99% of my trailering will be a 1/2 mile stretch of flat land from the parking lot to the launching ramp. The remaining 1% will be going on the interstate, in very flat regions.
Thanks for the comments, though.
Andrei.
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