I am obviously being hit with a case of spring sailing insanity. I need to go on a trip with my 23, yes NEED. My concerns are the retractable keel, should I find a way to be able to lock it in the down position? Do I go through the Great Lakes and down the coast or trailer it to Florida and hit the Carib? Just sitting here dreaming.......comments welcome Theo M23 "Port Reduction"
Theo.. Why do you want to lock the centerboard in the down position? Just curious Bob Chef Theo Petron wrote:
I am obviously being hit with a case of spring sailing insanity. I need to go on a trip with my 23, yes NEED. My concerns are the retractable keel, should I find a way to be able to lock it in the down position? Do I go through the Great Lakes and down the coast or trailer it to Florida and hit the Carib? Just sitting here dreaming.......comments welcome Theo M23 "Port Reduction"
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This is something that I have wondered about. The way I see it, which could be completely off base is that the M23 has a shoal keel built into the hull. The centerboard only represents a fraction of the actual ballast weight, and that portion that is lowered when the centerboard is down is even less. This is very different than a swing keel like a Catalina 25. So, the centerboard increases the surface area giving you upwind ability, but doesn't play that big a role in the ballast department. I am not sure locking it down would serve any purpose. I have sailed upwind with it up and down and have not really noticed any appreciable difference in the angle of heel. I can point higher with it down. Is that correct? _____ 73 de AC6KW <mailto:jeff@grudin.net> Jeff Grudin, DVM Web Add: http://www.grudin.net Ocean Animal Clinic / Cat Clinic of Santa Cruz - Santa Cruz, California Montgomery 23 Hull #072 Norcal QRP * QRP-L * ARS * AR Qrp -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+grudin=vdbs.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+grudin=vdbs.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chef Theo Petron Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:26 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Big water in the M23 I am obviously being hit with a case of spring sailing insanity. I need to go on a trip with my 23, yes NEED. My concerns are the retractable keel, should I find a way to be able to lock it in the down position? Do I go through the Great Lakes and down the coast or trailer it to Florida and hit the Carib? Just sitting here dreaming.......comments welcome Theo M23 "Port Reduction" _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 2/26/2004
this is partially true about shoal draft. , My Seafarer 24 had 85% in ballast and 15% on the board, designed that way to be self rescuing and to be stable no matter the position of the board. But others like the older Montgomery I believe had nearly all the weight in the centerboard. That makes for a very heavy to man handle board, using a winch and not so good in a rolling seaway, you get the clunk-clunk feeling each roll. Plus if a disaster should develop and a turn turtle or pitch pole occurs and that includes being rolling over by barge in the darkness the heavier board ratio would not be to your advantage by sliding back into the trunk and possibly cause severe structural damage. But for that emergency, locking down the board is best insurance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Grudin" <grudin@vdbs.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Big water in the M23
This is something that I have wondered about. The way I see it, which could be completely off base is that the M23 has a shoal keel built into the hull. The centerboard only represents a fraction of the actual ballast weight, and that portion that is lowered when the centerboard is down is even less. This is very different than a swing keel like a Catalina 25.
So, the centerboard increases the surface area giving you upwind ability, but doesn't play that big a role in the ballast department. I am not sure locking it down would serve any purpose.
I have sailed upwind with it up and down and have not really noticed any appreciable difference in the angle of heel. I can point higher with it down.
Is that correct? _____ 73 de AC6KW <mailto:jeff@grudin.net> Jeff Grudin, DVM Web Add: http://www.grudin.net
Ocean Animal Clinic / Cat Clinic of Santa Cruz - Santa Cruz, California Montgomery 23 Hull #072 Norcal QRP * QRP-L * ARS * AR Qrp
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+grudin=vdbs.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+grudin=vdbs.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chef Theo Petron Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:26 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Big water in the M23
I am obviously being hit with a case of spring sailing insanity. I need to go on a trip with my 23, yes NEED. My concerns are the retractable keel, should I find a way to be able to lock it in the down position? Do I go through the Great Lakes and down the coast or trailer it to Florida and hit the Carib? Just sitting here dreaming.......comments welcome Theo M23 "Port Reduction"
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How about I sail it for you through the Great Lakes and down the east coast and you meet up with me in the Carib? If I left right away, I might make the CBC in June while en-route. As long as we're dreaming.....it's the best comment I could come up with. Howard On 3/25/04 1:26 PM, "Chef Theo Petron" <cheftheo@visi.com> wrote:
I am obviously being hit with a case of spring sailing insanity. I need to go on a trip with my 23, yes NEED. My concerns are the retractable keel, should I find a way to be able to lock it in the down position? Do I go through the Great Lakes and down the coast or trailer it to Florida and hit the Carib? Just sitting here dreaming.......comments welcome Theo M23 "Port Reduction"
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Sounds like a good plan to me, Howard! Want some crew? :-D Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Howard Audsley Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:23 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Big water in the M23 How about I sail it for you through the Great Lakes and down the east coast and you meet up with me in the Carib? If I left right away, I might make the CBC in June while en-route. As long as we're dreaming.....it's the best comment I could come up with. Howard On 3/25/04 1:26 PM, "Chef Theo Petron" <cheftheo@visi.com> wrote:
I am obviously being hit with a case of spring sailing insanity. I need to go on a trip with my 23, yes NEED. My concerns are the retractable keel, should I find a way to be able to lock it in the down position? Do I go through the Great Lakes and down the coast or trailer it to Florida and hit the Carib? Just sitting here dreaming.......comments welcome Theo M23 "Port Reduction"
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