Bought a M15 this winter. The owner assured me at time the center board was fine. Took it out for the first time last week. Had a reef in the main, 25 mph winds and a great time. The only problem was the center board would not drop out of the trunk. Good thing the kicker was kicking or it would have been a very short trip. I have made plans to hoist the rear and gently try to pry the center board out. The previous owner still swears he never had a problem and thinks that leaves and other debris has accumulated in the trunk from the cockpit drain. I tried to crawl under and preassure spray uo inside the trunk but that has not worked. We shall see. Have any m15 owners experienced this? I have read the articles/hints on the web page regarding the m -17 CB and associated problems. Does the situation explained in these articles apply to the m -15 as well? Even though it was more of a motor sail, our first experience with the boat was great. It was very stable and took the waves great. The kids want more and so do I. thanks for any hints/help you can provide! Doug proud new owner of an unnamed, 1982 m15 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
Doug, I have M15 #310 and I think the sideways motion while trailering can jamb the CB against the trunk somehow. My CB will not drop after trailering about 30% of the time. On a posting from a year or so ago another M15 owner drilled a hole through the thwart (sp?)(wooden cross piece just at the cabin entrance) and through the splash protection board where the CB pendant goes through. I did the same with an 18" long 3/8 inch bit. The hole is located about 3/4 of inch forward of the CB pendant. I then use a wooden dowel through the two holes to press on the top of the CB and it pops right down. Sometimes I have to tap on it pretty good before it drops. Once sailing is goes up and down repeatedly with no problems up until I stick the boat in the Chesapeake mud. This does work then as well and is better than swimming under the boat to wiggle it loose. Happy sailing as you have a great boat! Doug Kelch M15 #310 "Sea the Day" --- doug <dougl20002001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bought a M15 this winter. The owner assured me at time the center board was fine. Took it out for the first time last week. Had a reef in the main, 25 mph winds and a great time. The only problem was the center board would not drop out of the trunk. Good thing the kicker was kicking or it would have been a very short trip. I have made plans to hoist the rear and gently try to pry the center board out. The previous owner still swears he never had a problem and thinks that leaves and other debris has accumulated in the trunk from the cockpit drain. I tried to crawl under and preassure spray uo inside the trunk but that has not worked. We shall see. Have any m15 owners experienced this? I have read the articles/hints on the web page regarding the m -17 CB and associated problems. Does the situation explained in these articles apply to the m -15 as well? Even though it was more of a motor sail, our first experience with the boat was great. It was very stable and took the waves great. The kids want more and so do I. thanks for any hints/help you can provide! Doug proud new owner of an unnamed, 1982 m15
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Doug K, Thanks for the info. I just talked to bob E and also saw parts of messages in the message archive that suggest the center board trunk may have swelled and this swelling prevents the center board from dropping. If the swelling is the problem is there a way to "unswell" it or fix the problem? New center board with narrower demension? Is my dream boat unsailable for ever? Thanks for any help i can get Doug --- Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
Doug,
I have M15 #310 and I think the sideways motion while trailering can jamb the CB against the trunk somehow. My CB will not drop after trailering about 30% of the time.
On a posting from a year or so ago another M15 owner drilled a hole through the thwart (sp?)(wooden cross piece just at the cabin entrance) and through the splash protection board where the CB pendant goes through.
I did the same with an 18" long 3/8 inch bit. The hole is located about 3/4 of inch forward of the CB pendant.
I then use a wooden dowel through the two holes to press on the top of the CB and it pops right down. Sometimes I have to tap on it pretty good before it drops.
Once sailing is goes up and down repeatedly with no problems up until I stick the boat in the Chesapeake mud. This does work then as well and is better than swimming under the boat to wiggle it loose.
Happy sailing as you have a great boat!
Doug Kelch M15 #310 "Sea the Day" --- doug <dougl20002001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bought a M15 this winter. The owner assured me at time the center board was fine. Took it out for the first time last week. Had a reef in the main, 25 mph winds and a great time. The only problem was the center board would not drop out of the trunk. Good thing the kicker was kicking or it would have been a very short trip. I have made plans to hoist the rear and gently try to pry the center board out. The previous owner still swears he never had a problem and thinks that leaves and other debris has accumulated in the trunk from the cockpit drain. I tried to crawl under and preassure spray uo inside the trunk but that has not worked. We shall see. Have any m15 owners experienced this? I have read the articles/hints on the web page regarding the m -17 CB and associated problems. Does the situation explained in these articles apply to the m -15 as well? Even though it was more of a motor sail, our first experience with the boat was great. It was very stable and took the waves great. The kids want more and so do I. thanks for any hints/help you can provide! Doug proud new owner of an unnamed, 1982 m15
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Doug, I actually have a new CB in my M15 and I think my CB trunk may have swelled as it wouldn't fit. I just took a belt sander to the high spots. There is a "fat section" towards the rear of the bd that seemed to be the sticky area. I hoisted the M15 at the local public boat hoist on a slow day and did the work right on the hoist. The sanded areas were painted with a white paint. I wouldn't do this unless you are sure of the problem. My CB still is 1/4 inch below the keel when fully retracted. Thanks. Doug Kelch --- doug <dougl20002001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Doug K, Thanks for the info. I just talked to bob E and also saw parts of messages in the message archive that suggest the center board trunk may have swelled and this swelling prevents the center board from dropping. If the swelling is the problem is there a way to "unswell" it or fix the problem? New center board with narrower demension? Is my dream boat unsailable for ever? Thanks for any help i can get Doug --- Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
Doug,
I have M15 #310 and I think the sideways motion while trailering can jamb the CB against the trunk somehow. My CB will not drop after trailering about 30% of the time.
On a posting from a year or so ago another M15 owner drilled a hole through the thwart (sp?)(wooden cross piece just at the cabin entrance) and through the splash protection board where the CB pendant goes through.
I did the same with an 18" long 3/8 inch bit. The hole is located about 3/4 of inch forward of the CB pendant.
I then use a wooden dowel through the two holes to press on the top of the CB and it pops right down. Sometimes I have to tap on it pretty good before it drops.
Once sailing is goes up and down repeatedly with no problems up until I stick the boat in the Chesapeake mud. This does work then as well and is better than swimming under the boat to wiggle it loose.
Happy sailing as you have a great boat!
Doug Kelch M15 #310 "Sea the Day" --- doug <dougl20002001@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bought a M15 this winter. The owner assured me at time the center board was fine. Took it out for the first time last week. Had a reef in the main, 25 mph winds and a great time. The only problem was the center board would not drop out of the trunk. Good thing the kicker was kicking or it would have been a very short trip. I have made plans to hoist the rear and gently try to pry the center board out. The previous owner still swears he never had a problem and thinks that leaves and other debris has accumulated in the trunk from the cockpit drain. I tried to crawl under and preassure spray uo inside the trunk but that has not worked. We shall see. Have any m15 owners experienced this? I have read the articles/hints on the web page regarding the m -17 CB and associated problems. Does the situation explained in these articles apply to the m -15 as well? Even though it was more of a motor sail, our first experience with the boat was great. It was very stable and took the waves great. The kids want more and so do I. thanks for any hints/help you can provide! Doug proud new owner of an unnamed, 1982 m15
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Very highly unlikely that your c-board trunk is swollen . . . Don't despair 'till you've tried some of the simple suggestions to jar your board loose . . . Don't give up THEN, either . . . Bill Sylvester pulled his '70's M17 that had been kept in a saltwater slip forever . . . Its stainless lifting-rudder apparatus had corroded away, but he had no c-board trunk swelling . . . Sounds like your boat was kept on her trailer . . . Sounds like her former owner is telling you the truth . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "doug" <dougl20002001@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: m - 15 Center Board Doug K, Thanks for the info. I just talked to bob E and also saw parts of messages in the message archive that suggest the center board trunk may have swelled and this swelling prevents the center board from dropping. If the swelling is the problem is there a way to "unswell" it or fix the problem? New center board with narrower demension? Is my dream boat unsailable for ever? Thanks for any help i can get Doug
Thanks for the words of encouragement! I do not think the previous owner intentionaly deceived me. The boat was on the trailer and unused for a long period of time. I am sure the last time he used it it worked great. I am holding out hope it is just jamed for some reason. --- Honshells <chonshell@ia4u.net> wrote:
Very highly unlikely that your c-board trunk is swollen . . . Don't despair 'till you've tried some of the simple suggestions to jar your board loose . . . Don't give up THEN, either . . . Bill Sylvester pulled his '70's M17 that had been kept in a saltwater slip forever . . . Its stainless lifting-rudder apparatus had corroded away, but he had no c-board trunk swelling . . . Sounds like your boat was kept on her trailer . . . Sounds like her former owner is telling you the truth . . .
----- Original Message ----- From: "doug" <dougl20002001@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: m - 15 Center Board
Doug K, Thanks for the info. I just talked to bob E and also saw parts of messages in the message archive that suggest the center board trunk may have swelled and this swelling prevents the center board from dropping. If the swelling is the problem is there a way to "unswell" it or fix the problem? New center board with narrower demension? Is my dream boat unsailable for ever? Thanks for any help i can get Doug
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Here's hoping I'm right, Doug! :-) Best of luck. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "doug" <dougl20002001@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: - 15 Center Board Thanks for the words of encouragement! I do not think the previous owner intentionaly deceived me. The boat was on the trailer and unused for a long period of time. I am sure the last time he used it it worked great. I am holding out hope it is just jamed for some reason. --- Honshells <chonshell@ia4u.net> wrote: Very highly unlikely that your c-board trunk is swollen . . . Don't despair 'till you've tried some of the simple suggestions to jar your board loose . . . Don't give up THEN, either . . . Bill Sylvester pulled his '70's M17 that had been kept in a saltwater slip forever . . . Its stainless lifting-rudder apparatus had corroded away, but he had no c-board trunk swelling . . . Sounds like your boat was kept on her trailer . . . Sounds like her former owner is telling you the truth . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "doug" <dougl20002001@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:50 PM Subject: m - 15 Center Board Doug K, Thanks for the info. I just talked to bob E and also saw parts of messages in the message archive that suggest the center board trunk may have swelled and this swelling prevents the center board from dropping. If the swelling is the problem is there a way to "unswell" it or fix the problem? New center board with narrower demension? Is my dream boat unsailable for ever? Thanks for any help i can get Doug
Doug, Part of the centerboard protrudes below the trunk (an inch or less) even in the fully raised position. Mine occasionally got pushed up into the trunk when loading on or launching off the original trailer and it would jam. I've replaced the trailer and redesigned the center support so that doesn't happen. Hopefully, your only problem is to unjam it. Debris could be the culprit too. I was able to break mine loose by prying on the aft edge of the centerboard with a heavy screwdriver. On mine there is a notch there whose purpose I was never able to determine (except as a leverage point ?). Fortunately, the board always came free before I broke off the edge of the centerboard. Carol II lived at a berth in saltwater for several years and I did not have any problem with the housing swelling. I did paint the bottom several times with ablative bottom paint and did discover that there is very little room inside the housing. You will not want to put any thick paint on the upper section of the centerboard or it will really lock into the housing. On occasion, I have been successful using a thin handsaw (thinner than a hacksaw blade) to "cut" through the few twigs or barnacles that bound my centerboard. Be very careful to insure that the pendant is very secure while you are working the board loose - dropping like a rock is an understatement of what can happen. Stan M-17 #177 Carol II
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