To build on what Tod just said, the Montgomery sailboats - Dinghies have two piece carbon type 'stayless' masts. I have one with my Dink - works quite well. ga ----- Original Message ----- From: <htmills@bright.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: mast design and support Roy, What size are you thinking of? There may well be one already made that would suit your purposes since there are a fair number of dinghies that use unstayed masts as well as some larger boats. Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Roy LaFleur Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:32 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: mast design and support does anyone know where I can information on a light weight stay less mast made of carbon fiber or perhaps build one myself, and would a stayless mast need to be so high tech. could it be made of say wood or welded Aluminum or just fiber glass --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

Not sure, but I don't think so...I think they went back to a standard sloop rig. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:33 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast design and support Does a Seaward Fox still have a carbon fibre mast??? Rik On Fri, Jul 16 2004 07:16 pm, htmills@bright.net wrote:

Roy,

What size are you thinking of? There may well be one already made that would suit your purposes since there are a fair number of dinghies that use unstayed masts as well as some larger boats.

Tod

-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.c om] On Behalf Of Roy LaFleur Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:32 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: mast design and support

does anyone know where I can information on a light weight stay less mast made of carbon fiber or perhaps build one myself, and would a stayless mast need to be so high tech. could it be made of say wood or welded Aluminum or just fiber glass

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Some other examples would be: the old JY 9 (later called the Hunter 90) with a 2-part aluminum mast, Banshee (alum) Gryphon (carbon) Laser (alum) Force 5 (alum) Finn (alum) the Freedoms You could check with Dwyer; if they don't offer anything suitable they would surely know someone who does. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=on&q=carbon+fiber+masts &btnG=Search www.dwyermast.com http://www.forespar.com/catalog/systems/carbon/carbon.htm -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:33 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast design and support Does a Seaward Fox still have a carbon fibre mast??? Rik On Fri, Jul 16 2004 07:16 pm, htmills@bright.net wrote:

Roy,

What size are you thinking of? There may well be one already made that would suit your purposes since there are a fair number of dinghies that use unstayed masts as well as some larger boats.

Tod

-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.c om] On Behalf Of Roy LaFleur Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 5:32 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: mast design and support

does anyone know where I can information on a light weight stay less mast made of carbon fiber or perhaps build one myself, and would a stayless mast need to be so high tech. could it be made of say wood or welded Aluminum or just fiber glass

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YES! I want to change the stepped on deck to a - thru deck - sitting on the sole - secured at deck (cabin top) thru a sleave or tabernakel so One the mast can stepped in a moment with out stays just connect jib stay and go jib stay to keep mast in place perhaps being braced a tabernakel AND second because going under four bridges to get to the sea would be a whole lot easyer. but this problem may be an "like or not like issue" with out much sicience attached like the twin keel issue. so many hate the idea but only a few who hate it have one or have even tried it out sersiously. when visiting Farnce and Holland last summer I found many sailing that had hinged - mast to go out to sea to fish, go home thru locks under bridges and their mast sometimes went up 11 -12 metres ( about 38 feet) and they have doing this for a long time . agree some of the winches were very old and the size of a small outboard engine So I figured if they can do it with such a large vessel then I should be able to do it with a 17 Montgomery now I do agree it will internal support frame on the side of the cabin down the inside hull and to the flooring to prevent twist and walking .... Jerry Montgomery <jmbn@innercite.com> wrote: Roy- Are you talking about a cat rigged 15, in which case the mast would have to be stepped thru the foredeck? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy LaFleur" To: Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: M_Boats: mast design and support

does anyone know where I can information on a light weight stay less mast made of carbon fiber or perhaps build one myself, and would a stayless mast need to be so high tech. could it be made of say wood or welded Aluminum or just fiber glass

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good point and well taken, I don't plan on doing the mast change while travelling just until I get under ther bridges, then put up the mast - single handed and sail away sort of thing. On the two I studied in detail one setup - it was just a manner of sliding the mast forward and lifting even if the boat was moving around a bit it didn't make big of a difference, - the second set up wasa hingedmast in a tabernakel and hauled up from the cockpit with an endless loop, never even leaving the cockpit was a definate plus. If I can find those photo's I'll let you know, but since both rigs where not high aspect ratio sails it was not a big deal if there was a little slack. I do wonder just how much of a difference it makes when not racing but sailing for just the fun of it like I do, just how much it would dampen the preformance. Is that little bit going to make itmore fun for everyone aboard. As I mentioned on the previous email - its more than a few times in tidal waters I have seen twin keel or bilge keel boats sitting high and pretty and the single keel bending over to let the incoming tide into the cockpit and into the hatchboards but thats why I like this sailing thing, is that there is no perfect just lots of choices. stephen gray <scgray@worldnet.att.net> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy LaFleur" To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 3:20 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast design and support

so many hate the idea but only a few who hate it have one or have even tried it out sersiously.

Before you throw away those shrouds picture yourself standing a 26' unstayed mast and walking it to the foredeck of a 17' boat. Then you want to try that in the water to get under a bridge? If you want to dip your mast you already have the proper rig. There is merit to a keel stepped mast, but if you cut it and hinge it at the deck why bother? Steve _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign!