Well, first off thanks to those who have shared info with me - I've been out four times now, and things are getting better each time. I installed some cam cleats instead of the worn out jam cleats for the jib sheets, and it made sailing much more enjoyable this last time out. If there is much of a chop - say over a foot or so, I end up with two inches or so of water sloshing around in the cockpit - not so bad when it was 9o degrees out, but cold feet this last weekend!! Any ideas on how to prevent this from going on, or is this part of living with the self-draining through cb design? Jon in Walla Walla _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es
John, I have a little water in my M15 when heeling or punching through waves, but no where near 2". Maybe an inch or so right under the bridgedeck and along the lee seat, but usually it doesn't even wet the center of the cockpit, where my feet are. And it drains as soon as the boat levels out. Some use sponges on either side of the centerboard pennant to reduce the flow. The Montgomeries sail best with weight forward. Try to store heaviest items as far forward as practical. The one weight I have astern is a 2hp Honda hanging on to adjustable bracket. But because I have shallow lockers on both sides of the cockpit, there isn't much stored underneath. I have added a tiller extension so I can keep my weight forward. Also, I have found it's more comfortable forward, with higher coamings and the cabin bulkhead to lean against. Good luck and enjoy! Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jon Martin Sent: September 10, 2003 8:27 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Wet cockpit in M15 Well, first off thanks to those who have shared info with me - I've been out four times now, and things are getting better each time. I installed some cam cleats instead of the worn out jam cleats for the jib sheets, and it made sailing much more enjoyable this last time out. If there is much of a chop - say over a foot or so, I end up with two inches or so of water sloshing around in the cockpit - not so bad when it was 9o degrees out, but cold feet this last weekend!! Any ideas on how to prevent this from going on, or is this part of living with the self-draining through cb design? Jon in Walla Walla _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
When I refurbished my centerboard, I took the opportunity to install a flap-valve of my own design and construction into the cockpit drain. I have NEVER had any water in my cockpit -- and Lake Michigan can be VERY choppy. Essentially, it is just a rubber flap that closes against a flat frame whenever water tries to come up the drain. But it allows water to drain out just fine. It is installed just barely down inside the rectangular shaped hole of the drain. I have removed the wooden board that obscured that hole. Of course, there is a hole through the frame of it just exactly large enough for the centerboard halyard to go through with no clearance. I know it's working because, whenever I'm in choppy water I hear the constant (or intermittant) "suck-slap - suck-slap" sound (it's really more of a "thhhhT!-thhhT!" sound, and nothing more than perhaps a drop get's through. The original design is really unfortunate in the sense that, even doing something like stuffing a rag around the hole won't really work. The shape of the centerboard slot, being triangular and narrowing toward the hole, makes it so that a wave forcing itself upward develops tremendous hydraulic force. I know if there were enough montgomery 15 boats out there, I could market this thing and make a million. O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steve McClellan - M15 #152 - Chicago
question; on sailing in that Lake Michigan, I hear the water can be very choppy because of the short peck to peck, is that due to the fresh water instead of salt, does the Monty act differently, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve McClellan" <s.mcclellan@comcast.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Wet cockpit in M15
When I refurbished my centerboard, I took the opportunity to install a flap-valve of my own design and construction into the cockpit drain. I have NEVER had any water in my cockpit -- and Lake Michigan can be VERY choppy.
Essentially, it is just a rubber flap that closes against a flat frame whenever water tries to come up the drain. But it allows water to drain out just fine. It is installed just barely down inside the rectangular shaped hole of the drain. I have removed the wooden board that obscured that hole. Of course, there is a hole through the frame of it just exactly large enough for the centerboard halyard to go through with no clearance.
I know it's working because, whenever I'm in choppy water I hear the constant (or intermittant) "suck-slap - suck-slap" sound (it's really more of a "thhhhT!-thhhT!" sound, and nothing more than perhaps a drop get's through.
The original design is really unfortunate in the sense that, even doing something like stuffing a rag around the hole won't really work. The shape of the centerboard slot, being triangular and narrowing toward the hole, makes it so that a wave forcing itself upward develops tremendous hydraulic force.
I know if there were enough montgomery 15 boats out there, I could market this thing and make a million. O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Steve McClellan - M15 #152 - Chicago
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I always figured it was the physics of a smaller body of water . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2@earthlink.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:18 AM Subject: Wet cockpit in M15 question; on sailing in that Lake Michigan, I hear the water can be very choppy because of the short peck to peck, is that due to the fresh water instead of salt, does the Monty act differently, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve McClellan" <s.mcclellan@comcast.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Wet cockpit in M15
When I refurbished my centerboard, I took the opportunity to install a flap-valve of my own design and construction into the cockpit drain. I have NEVER had any water in my cockpit -- and Lake Michigan can be VERY choppy.
Essentially, it is just a rubber flap that closes against a flat frame whenever water tries to come up the drain. But it allows water to drain out just fine. It is installed just barely down inside the rectangular shaped hole of the drain. I have removed the wooden board that obscured that hole. Of course, there is a hole through the frame of it just exactly large enough for the centerboard halyard to go through with no clearance.
I know it's working because, whenever I'm in choppy water I hear the constant (or intermittant) "suck-slap - suck-slap" sound (it's really more of a "thhhhT!-thhhT!" sound, and nothing more than perhaps a drop get's through.
The original design is really unfortunate in the sense that, even doing something like stuffing a rag around the hole won't really work. The shape of the centerboard slot, being triangular and narrowing toward the hole, makes it so that a wave forcing itself upward develops tremendous hydraulic force.
I know if there were enough montgomery 15 boats out there, I could market this thing and make a million. O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Steve McClellan - M15 #152 - Chicago
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Have no idea how the Monty behaves on Lake Michigan as compared to the ocean, never sailed a Monty on the ocean, but I was out on Lake Michigan in substantial waves last week and my M17 performed beautifully . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: "For and about MontgomerySailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: Lake MI I always figured it was the physics of a smaller body of water . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2@earthlink.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:18 AM Subject: Wet cockpit in M15 question; on sailing in that Lake Michigan, I hear the water can be very choppy because of the short peck to peck, is that due to the fresh water instead of salt, does the Monty act differently, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve McClellan" <s.mcclellan@comcast.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Wet cockpit in M15
When I refurbished my centerboard, I took the opportunity to install a flap-valve of my own design and construction into the cockpit drain. I have NEVER had any water in my cockpit -- and Lake Michigan can be VERY choppy.
Essentially, it is just a rubber flap that closes against a flat frame whenever water tries to come up the drain. But it allows water to drain out just fine. It is installed just barely down inside the rectangular shaped hole of the drain. I have removed the wooden board that obscured that hole. Of course, there is a hole through the frame of it just exactly large enough for the centerboard halyard to go through with no clearance.
I know it's working because, whenever I'm in choppy water I hear the constant (or intermittant) "suck-slap - suck-slap" sound (it's really more of a "thhhhT!-thhhT!" sound, and nothing more than perhaps a drop get's through.
The original design is really unfortunate in the sense that, even doing something like stuffing a rag around the hole won't really work. The shape of the centerboard slot, being triangular and narrowing toward the hole, makes it so that a wave forcing itself upward develops tremendous hydraulic force.
I know if there were enough montgomery 15 boats out there, I could market this thing and make a million. O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Steve McClellan - M15 #152 - Chicago
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You might check your center board pin....The fact that I all of a sudden had a lot more water in the cockpit was my tip off. Apparently, as the pin is coming off, the center board is offset from center line and acts like a scoop pushing water up into the hole. If the pin is ok...then more weight forward as others have suggested would be next suggestion. Vince and Sharon Himsl M-15 Duet
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