for towing remember you need to include the weights of the people in the vehicle.  this will make the boat weight, stuff, and trailer up to 3000# (or more).   dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred   --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Andrei Caldararu <andreic@math.wisc.edu> wrote: I have a question about the towing weight: I thought an M-17 is around 1600 lbs; add about 3-400lbs for the trailer, some more for the gear and motor that brings it to 2000-2400 lbs. But you're saying your rig is closer to 3000-3200 lbs; have I got my numbers wrong? I am towing (on flat land) my M-17 with a 4cyl Subaru Outback, 4x4, manual transmission. Works, but I feel I am close to the limit really. Andrei.