Do any of you skippers fly a storm jib? When reefing the Main? What size and how high on the mast is it flown? Capt Jim SV Pelican (M15)
Ernie here, my question is similar to Jim's. Had a chance (3rd time out) to experience sailing with some stronger winds (gusts maybe up to 15-20), on a body of water where one can be 2 miles from shore when in the middle of the lake. Set out with the main double-reefed, but flying a 'standard' jib. Being all new to this, at times felt a bit nervous as the heeling increased, and blamed this on the jib being too large for the conditions. I recall from previous posts, that a common storm jib for an M-15 is the size of a pair of bloomers. Is there a suggested in-between-size as well, or is this more of an all-or-nothing type of scenario? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 11:49 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 storm jib Do any of you skippers fly a storm jib? When reefing the Main? What size and how high on the mast is it flown? Capt Jim SV Pelican (M15)
Thanks skipper Maybe just bend on my wifes bloomers???? ,,,,,,right? Technically there would be in the folksill a storm jib for each reef point... In the real world>.\ Capt Jim SV Pelican -----Original Message----- From: Ernst van Gulijk <Ernst@nteglobal.com> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 10:04 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 storm jib Ernie here, my question is similar to Jim's. Had a chance (3rd time out) to experience sailing with some stronger winds (gusts maybe up to 15-20), on a body of water where one can be 2 miles from shore when in the middle of the lake. Set out with the main double-reefed, but flying a 'standard' jib. Being all new to this, at times felt a bit nervous as the heeling increased, and blamed this on the jib being too large for the conditions. I recall from previous posts, that a common storm jib for an M-15 is the size of a pair of bloomers. Is there a suggested in-between-size as well, or is this more of an all-or-nothing type of scenario? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 11:49 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 storm jib Do any of you skippers fly a storm jib? When reefing the Main? What size and how high on the mast is it flown? Capt Jim SV Pelican (M15)
After reefing the M15 main twice then the headsail size is reduced. This is at around 20kts. Storm is a likely the incorrect term as storm jibs are VERY small and for storm wind conditions: 30+ or more knots. What is wanted is a high wind or strong wind headsail. The size depends on the wind strength(s) you are willing to sail. Contact Harry at epsails.com. He knows the MBoats and can provide the best high wind headsail for your local conditions. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 9:49 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Do any of you skippers fly a storm jib? When reefing the Main?
What size and how high on the mast is it flown?
Capt Jim
SV Pelican (M15)
Not an M15, but for comparison on jib percentage sizes, my M17 came with a "high wind" jib that is about 80%. Compared to 109% for the OEM "working jib" and 150% for the Genoa on an M17. Here's some brief info from UK Sailmakers on heavy weather jib vs. storm jib (just one source, gives basic points): https://www.uksailmakers.com/heavy-weather-jib https://www.uksailmakers.com/storm-jib This seems to corroborate Dave's post that a true "storm jib" is very specialized, more for survival when offshore and having to ride out a gale. You'd want a "high wind" or "heavy weather" jib for regular use, if you sail in that strength of wind regularly. cheers, John On 10/29/21 10:18 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
After reefing the M15 main twice then the headsail size is reduced. This is at around 20kts.
Storm is a likely the incorrect term as storm jibs are VERY small and for storm wind conditions: 30+ or more knots. What is wanted is a high wind or strong wind headsail. The size depends on the wind strength(s) you are willing to sail.
Contact Harry at epsails.com. He knows the MBoats and can provide the best high wind headsail for your local conditions.
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On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 9:49 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Do any of you skippers fly a storm jib? When reefing the Main?
What size and how high on the mast is it flown?
Capt Jim
SV Pelican (M15)
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Thanks Dave With each reef point (2) it would seem that there would be a corresponding jib to fly (in a perfect world of course). Even with reefed main and no jib the helm would be unbalanced ( to weather).. Capt Jim SV Pelican -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 10:19 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 storm jib After reefing the M15 main twice then the headsail size is reduced. This is at around 20kts. Storm is a likely the incorrect term as storm jibs are VERY small and for storm wind conditions: 30+ or more knots. What is wanted is a high wind or strong wind headsail. The size depends on the wind strength(s) you are willing to sail. Contact Harry at epsails.com. He knows the MBoats and can provide the best high wind headsail for your local conditions. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 9:49 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Do any of you skippers fly a storm jib? When reefing the Main?
What size and how high on the mast is it flown?
Capt Jim
SV Pelican (M15)
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