Hello to all, I have just found the montgomery site and signed up. I presently own a Halman 20' and have been interested in moving up to a larger boat with more room for wife and child. I have "fallen for" the Montgomery 23 and am interest in buying or trading up for one. It looks like I might be in for a long search as it seems they are few and far between. Anyone interested in the Halman 20' - or could steer me in the right direction for a possible purchase of a M-23 let me know. I'll be looking. Jeff Packer Marcus, WA
For those of us fortunate enough to have seen and been able to crawl around on an M23, from a distance they look like the 17, up close they look like an ocean liner...both inside and out. And they sail like......well like a Montgomery. My only question about them is the side decks, which are kinda narrow. For those of you who currently sail one, or have sailed one, is this even an issue to worry about? On 10/10/05 11:44 AM, "Chris and Jeff Packer" <cjpacker@theofficenet.com> wrote:
Hello to all, I have just found the montgomery site and signed up. I presently own a Halman 20' and have been interested in moving up to a larger boat with more room for wife and child. I have "fallen for" the Montgomery 23 and am interest in buying or trading up for one. It looks like I might be in for a long search as it seems they are few and far between. Anyone interested in the Halman 20' - or could steer me in the right direction for a possible purchase of a M-23 let me know. I'll be looking.
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I also noticed the narrow sidedecks in pictures, and since I haven't seen or been on a M23 I can't speak from experience. But, I also noticed the shrouds are attached to the cabin side and not the hull. This seems to make getting around the shrouds and up forward a bit easier than if they were attached to the hull. And the added space below is very appealing as well. Since I am a new member, I live on Lake Roosevelt in Eastern WA where I keep my boat (Halman 20). I have also sailed in Idaho, Maine, and the San Juans. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Audsley" <haudsley@tranquility.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member
For those of us fortunate enough to have seen and been able to crawl around on an M23, from a distance they look like the 17, up close they look like an ocean liner...both inside and out. And they sail like......well like a Montgomery.
My only question about them is the side decks, which are kinda narrow. For those of you who currently sail one, or have sailed one, is this even an issue to worry about?
On 10/10/05 11:44 AM, "Chris and Jeff Packer" <cjpacker@theofficenet.com> wrote:
Hello to all, I have just found the montgomery site and signed up. I presently own a Halman 20' and have been interested in moving up to a larger boat with more room for wife and child. I have "fallen for" the Montgomery 23 and am interest in buying or trading up for one. It looks like I might be in for a long search as it seems they are few and far between. Anyone interested in the Halman 20' - or could steer me in the right direction for a possible purchase of a M-23 let me know. I'll be looking.
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Chris & Jeff: I grew up ~20 miles from Lake Roosevelt in Almira, but I haven't actually sailed that lake. Where do you like to sail on it? (It's only like 200 miles long!) Regarding narrow side decks on the M23, try the ones on an M15! Actually, they are not a problem. You use them as toe rails and walk with you heels outboard, especially when wiggling around the shrouds, which are outboard of the toe rails on the hull on the M15. I'm looking forward to the M17 which, as you said, has the shrouds inboard of the side decks/toe rails. --Gary Hyde, Pullman N24 'Sailabration' M17 #637 'Hydeaway2' M15 #235 'Vanilla' On Oct 10, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Chris and Jeff Packer wrote:
I also noticed the narrow sidedecks in pictures, and since I haven't seen or been on a M23 I can't speak from experience. But, I also noticed the shrouds are attached to the cabin side and not the hull. This seems to make getting around the shrouds and up forward a bit easier than if they were attached to the hull. And the added space below is very appealing as well.
Since I am a new member, I live on Lake Roosevelt in Eastern WA where I keep my boat (Halman 20). I have also sailed in Idaho, Maine, and the San Juans.
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For those of us fortunate enough to have seen and been able to crawl around on an M23, from a distance they look like the 17, up close they look like an ocean liner...both inside and out. And they sail like......well like a Montgomery.
My only question about them is the side decks, which are kinda narrow. For those of you who currently sail one, or have sailed one, is this even an issue to worry about?
On 10/10/05 11:44 AM, "Chris and Jeff Packer" <cjpacker@theofficenet.com> wrote:
Hello to all, I have just found the montgomery site and signed up. I presently own a Halman 20' and have been interested in moving up to a larger boat with more room for wife and child. I have "fallen for" the Montgomery 23 and am interest in buying or trading up for one. It looks like I might be in for a long search as it seems they are few and far between. Anyone interested in the Halman 20' - or could steer me in the right direction for a possible purchase of a M-23 let me know. I'll be looking.
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Gary: We have a sailing club near Kettle Falls, WA that maintains a dock with moorings where I keep my boat. Lake Roosevelt is 150 miles long from the Canadian border to Grand Coulee Dam. We are about 100 miles up lake from the dam. Two summers ago my daughter and I sailed to the dam and back. This year my wife and I took a vacation and went down the lake to the Spokane River fork about 60 miles south. We enjoy it - lots of nice coves, beaches, rocks, mountains, wildlife, swimming, and fishing. Jeff H20 "North Wave" ----- Original Message ----- From: <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member
Chris & Jeff: I grew up ~20 miles from Lake Roosevelt in Almira, but I haven't actually sailed that lake. Where do you like to sail on it? (It's only like 200 miles long!)
Regarding narrow side decks on the M23, try the ones on an M15! Actually, they are not a problem. You use them as toe rails and walk with you heels outboard, especially when wiggling around the shrouds, which are outboard of the toe rails on the hull on the M15. I'm looking forward to the M17 which, as you said, has the shrouds inboard of the side decks/toe rails. --Gary Hyde, Pullman N24 'Sailabration' M17 #637 'Hydeaway2' M15 #235 'Vanilla'
On Oct 10, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Chris and Jeff Packer wrote:
I also noticed the narrow sidedecks in pictures, and since I haven't seen or been on a M23 I can't speak from experience. But, I also noticed the shrouds are attached to the cabin side and not the hull. This seems to make getting around the shrouds and up forward a bit easier than if they were attached to the hull. And the added space below is very appealing as well.
Since I am a new member, I live on Lake Roosevelt in Eastern WA where I keep my boat (Halman 20). I have also sailed in Idaho, Maine, and the San Juans.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Audsley" <haudsley@tranquility.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member
For those of us fortunate enough to have seen and been able to crawl around on an M23, from a distance they look like the 17, up close they look like an ocean liner...both inside and out. And they sail like......well like a Montgomery.
My only question about them is the side decks, which are kinda narrow. For those of you who currently sail one, or have sailed one, is this even an issue to worry about?
On 10/10/05 11:44 AM, "Chris and Jeff Packer" <cjpacker@theofficenet.com> wrote:
Hello to all, I have just found the montgomery site and signed up. I presently own a Halman 20' and have been interested in moving up to a larger boat with more room for wife and child. I have "fallen for" the Montgomery 23 and am interest in buying or trading up for one. It looks like I might be in for a long search as it seems they are few and far between. Anyone interested in the Halman 20' - or could steer me in the right direction for a possible purchase of a M-23 let me know. I'll be looking.
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Jeff: Thanks. We have a place at Conkling Park at the south end of Lake Coeur d' Alene where my M15 spends much of the summer. There is a group of us Montgomery owners that get together to cruise the San Juan Islands in June and Lake Cd'A in August. The San Juan trip is coordinated and planned by Larry Yake in Deer Park. You might want to check out the MSOG sight for the 2005 pictures. --Gary Hyde N24 'Sailabration' M17 #637 'Hydeaway2' M15 #235 'Vanilla' On Oct 11, 2005, at 5:07 PM, Chris and Jeff Packer wrote:
Gary: We have a sailing club near Kettle Falls, WA that maintains a dock with moorings where I keep my boat. Lake Roosevelt is 150 miles long from the Canadian border to Grand Coulee Dam. We are about 100 miles up lake from the dam. Two summers ago my daughter and I sailed to the dam and back. This year my wife and I took a vacation and went down the lake to the Spokane River fork about 60 miles south. We enjoy it - lots of nice coves, beaches, rocks, mountains, wildlife, swimming, and fishing. Jeff H20 "North Wave"
----- Original Message ----- From: <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member
Chris & Jeff: I grew up ~20 miles from Lake Roosevelt in Almira, but I haven't actually sailed that lake. Where do you like to sail on it? (It's only like 200 miles long!)
Regarding narrow side decks on the M23, try the ones on an M15! Actually, they are not a problem. You use them as toe rails and walk with you heels outboard, especially when wiggling around the shrouds, which are outboard of the toe rails on the hull on the M15. I'm looking forward to the M17 which, as you said, has the shrouds inboard of the side decks/toe rails. --Gary Hyde, Pullman N24 'Sailabration' M17 #637 'Hydeaway2' M15 #235 'Vanilla'
On Oct 10, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Chris and Jeff Packer wrote:
I also noticed the narrow sidedecks in pictures, and since I haven't seen or been on a M23 I can't speak from experience. But, I also noticed the shrouds are attached to the cabin side and not the hull. This seems to make getting around the shrouds and up forward a bit easier than if they were attached to the hull. And the added space below is very appealing as well.
Since I am a new member, I live on Lake Roosevelt in Eastern WA where I keep my boat (Halman 20). I have also sailed in Idaho, Maine, and the San Juans.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Audsley" <haudsley@tranquility.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:03 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member
For those of us fortunate enough to have seen and been able to crawl around on an M23, from a distance they look like the 17, up close they look like an ocean liner...both inside and out. And they sail like......well like a Montgomery.
My only question about them is the side decks, which are kinda narrow. For those of you who currently sail one, or have sailed one, is this even an issue to worry about?
On 10/10/05 11:44 AM, "Chris and Jeff Packer" <cjpacker@theofficenet.com> wrote:
Hello to all, I have just found the montgomery site and signed up. I presently own a Halman 20' and have been interested in moving up to a larger boat with more room for wife and child. I have "fallen for" the Montgomery 23 and am interest in buying or trading up for one. It looks like I might be in for a long search as it seems they are few and far between. Anyone interested in the Halman 20' - or could steer me in the right direction for a possible purchase of a M-23 let me know. I'll be looking.
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I've only had the privilege of crawling aboard one too, Dennis'. I suspect if I owned her she'd lose the lifelines & stanchions. After that occurred, I bet I wouldn't have any real complaints about the width of the side decks. www.todspages.net/images/M23.jpg I'm 90% sure Pretentious will be losing hers and growing a bigger toerail. I've taken them off and already I like the boat better! The CD33 I crewed on had them, of course, and the dang things seemed to pose more of a hazard than a help. I'll take plenty of good beefy hand holds like Rick made for Bluebird, and a toe rail, thank you. jmo, Tod
Jeff, I have always admired the Halman 20. Could you give us a summary of its sailing and cruising characterisics? Thanks Doug --- Chris and Jeff Packer <cjpacker@theofficenet.com> wrote:
Hello to all, I have just found the montgomery site and signed up. I presently own a Halman 20' and have been interested in moving up to a larger boat with more room for wife and child. I have "fallen for" the Montgomery 23 and am interest in buying or trading up for one. It looks like I might be in for a long search as it seems they are few and far between. Anyone interested in the Halman 20' - or could steer me in the right direction for a possible purchase of a M-23 let me know. I'll be looking.
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Doug, The Halman 20 is what I guess many would call a "pocket cruiser". It has a good sized cabin for a 20 footer with nearly 5' of head room at the aft end of the cabin. The cockpit is fairly small and cozy which could be a good thing as it could take a wave into it without much danger of swamping or de-stabilizing the boat. Similiar to the Nor-Sea 27, it's a double-ender with a full keel and cut-away forefoot. The rudder is hung off the stern and attached to the keel. The hull and deck are very strong with what one person said "has the rigidity of a walnut shell". I bought mine a few years ago in Bellingham, WA, and for a 1978 boat, was pleasantly surprised to find no stress cracks in the gel coat of the entire deck and have yet to find any flex underfoot on deck. I must say that it is a boat that I would feel comfortable in on the ocean - even if a bit small for long offshore passages. It draws 2' 10" with 1000 lbs of ballast and displaces 2500 lbs. As for sailing characteristics I have been pleasantly surprised. I expected it to be slower than my last boat - a cal 21 - and it is; however, this year we took 2nd place overall in the triangle course races at our annual regatta in which 17 boats participated including 3 san jaun 23's, a couple of macgregor 26's, a tanzer 22, and various other craft. Of course the Halman has a bit higher handicap factor than some of these others, but I have been pleased by its ability to keep with other boats even in light air. A slight drawback with the Halman is that it doesn't seem to be as good a windward performer as some of these others. One reason for this is that it is a fairly wide boat for its length (with shrouds attached to the outer hull) and it has a fairly short J-measurement, so it is difficult to get a good sheeting angle on the jib or genoa. I am presently contemplating adding a short bowsprit which could help and which I believe the boat would handle well without creating lee-helm. I also think the boat would make a great cutter rig, but being so small I'm not sure if this is the way to go. I think that keeping it a sloop rig with a forestay to the end of the bowprit, and adding a detachable inner forestay from the mast head to the stem head, would allow for a larger genoa or drifter to be run up from the bowsprit. Then when the wind kicks up, the inner forestay could be attached with smaller jibs to be hoisted after dropping the genny. I believe this would improve the rig and could help with windward performance - as well as making sail changes quicker by having another sail rigged and ready to hoist when one is dropped. But... the wife would like something with a little more room and preferrably something she can stand up in. For myself, I love classic, seaworthy designs and have long been an admirer of Lyle Hess boats. To any M-23 owners out there who may be looking for a new, appreciative and caring home for your "baby". You can rest assured that she would be going to someone who has spent their whole life on and around boats, knows what they are getting, and can give her the care and attention she deserves. Well... no harm in trying! I'll keep looking! And thanks to Bones for the encouraging message. Great site you have here and thanks for your welcome. Jeff H-20 "North Wave" M-23 (wannabe) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Kelch" <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:19 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: New member
Jeff,
I have always admired the Halman 20. Could you give us a summary of its sailing and cruising characterisics?
Thanks
Doug
--- Chris and Jeff Packer <cjpacker@theofficenet.com> wrote:
Hello to all, I have just found the montgomery site and signed up. I presently own a Halman 20' and have been interested in moving up to a larger boat with more room for wife and child. I have "fallen for" the Montgomery 23 and am interest in buying or trading up for one. It looks like I might be in for a long search as it seems they are few and far between. Anyone interested in the Halman 20' - or could steer me in the right direction for a possible purchase of a M-23 let me know. I'll be looking.
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