Howard, My experience is that the ice option is driven by meat and beer. I don't eat meat so that's easy, but warm beer is unacceptable and I haven't found a solution to that yet. I've tried submerging the beer as far as 50 feet, but it still doesn't get cold like with ice. As to food, bananas, broccoli, eggs and seasonal fruits tend to last at least a week if kept cool and protected from bouncing around. I always bring potatoes and onions. For me nothing beats a pan of home fries and a can of beans. Milk, both soy and cows is available in small single use containers which is good for a no cook breakfast of granola. Instant oatmeal is also good for breakfast. I know they are not all over the country, but in the northeast we have a store called "Trader Joe's" and this place is great for no ice cruising. They have many products in boil bags which offer a great meal with little fuss. Just boil water, drop it in, cut the bag open and eat. The few dishes you do dirty are easily taken care of with the left over hot water. They have soups, all kinds of rice, Mexican, tuna, a line of Indian food, and an Indian Thali (3) dish dinner all in bags that is just wonderful. On my week cruise to Moosehead Lake I brought two of those and ate both. They also have a four cheese lasagna in a boil tray that might be the best I've ever had. All this without ice and an added benefit is that whatever you don't use gets saved for the next cruise or to eat at home, very little that's perishable and the boil bag concept produces very little trash. I produce about one small plastic shopping bag a week of garbage. I don't have any trouble eating for up to a couple of weeks without ice, but I do miss having salad. And of course don't forget you fishing pole. Rick M15 #337 Bluebird p.s. We need an invention like those instant hand warmers only with the opposite affect, that will chill a beer on demand.
Rick, Your wish maybe close to coming true!!!!??? There is a company making beer with a cooling option.? I watch al ot of educational TV and not long ago, a gentleman was marketing a six pack that was simular to the self heating soup cans, but will cool the beer within 15-30 minutes.? Google "self cooling beer cans".? I think you'll be happy!! Skip M-15 #201 Wild Guppy -----Original Message----- From: Rick Langer <farreach@optonline.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2009 12:29 pm Subject: M_Boats: No Ice Food Options Howard,? ? My experience is that the ice option is driven by meat and beer. I don't eat meat so that's easy, but warm beer is unacceptable and I haven't found a solution to that yet. I've tried submerging the beer as far as 50 feet, but it still doesn't get cold like with ice.? ? As to food, bananas, broccoli, eggs and seasonal fruits tend to last at least a week if kept cool and protected from bouncing around. I always bring potatoes and onions. For me nothing beats a pan of home fries and a can of beans. Milk, both soy and cows is available in small single use containers which is good for a no cook breakfast of granola. Instant oatmeal is also good for breakfast.? ? I know they are not all over the country, but in the northeast we have a store called "Trader Joe's" and this place is great for no ice cruising. They have many products in boil bags which offer a great meal with little fuss. Just boil water, drop it in, cut the bag open and eat. The few dishes you do dirty are easily taken care of with the left over hot water. They have soups, all kinds of rice, Mexican, tuna, a line of Indian food, and an Indian Thali (3) dish dinner all in bags that is just wonderful. On my week cruise to Moosehead Lake I brought two of those and ate both. They also have a four cheese lasagna in a boil tray that might be the best I've ever had. All this without ice and an added benefit is that whatever you don't use gets saved for the next cruise or to eat at home, very little that's perishable and the boil bag concept produces very little trash. I produce about one small plastic shopping bag a week of garbage.? ? I don't have any trouble eating for up to a couple of weeks without ice, but I do miss having salad. And of course don't forget you fishing pole.? ? Rick? M15 #337 Bluebird? ? p.s. We need an invention like those instant hand warmers only with the opposite affect, that will chill a beer on demand. ? _______________________________________________? http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats? ? Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!?
Keep in mind the hollow bilge area in the shoal keel on the later M17s with glass centerboards stays well below cabin or cockpit temperatures--small, but suitable for some items in lieu of a real cooler. I use mine, as I've said before, for wine, but I imagine it would work for less precious cargo as well when the ice runs out. There are a couple Mountain House freeze dry meals that are tolerable, but remember you can dry your own food quite easily as well. Especially add-ons, like mushrooms, tomatoes, even hamburger. Soft packages of meat like tuna and chicken are good for super-charging dry rice mixes. In my mind, one-pot meals are the only way to go. t
My family has taken numerous sailing trips over the years to many places on my dad's MacGregor 26S. Being a family of 6 (mom, dad and 4 boys) we've needed to take quite a bit of cheap food without refrigeration. Our last couple of sailing adventures involved trailering the boat from Bismarck, ND to Florida and sailing in the Bahamas. NO chance there of any kind of cooler or refrigeration without severe battery load or a running generator. Heck, we were happy enough just to have little fans blowing on us at night to keep from sleeping in puddles! * * *It was on the last trip to the Bahamas that my mom broke out the canned meats. Being a farm girl, she grew up canning fruit, vegetables, jelly/jam, you name it. This time, though, she canned (I'm talking glass container with the metal top that you heat to seal, not an aluminum can) some roast beef, some turkey and a couple meats with vegetables - kind of a soup concentrate. Holy cow, they was the most tender meats and delicious meals I've ever had on a boat. While they're not the lightweight, dry good foods that you'd ever want to lug around on a backpacking trip, they're perfect for the boat: no refrigeration necessary, cheap to make, easy to store, prepare (eat hot or not!) and nutritious and delicious. * ...Lessons from a time past when there was no refrigeration! On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Keep in mind the hollow bilge area in the shoal keel on the later M17s with glass centerboards stays well below cabin or cockpit temperatures--small, but suitable for some items in lieu of a real cooler. I use mine, as I've said before, for wine, but I imagine it would work for less precious cargo as well when the ice runs out.
There are a couple Mountain House freeze dry meals that are tolerable, but remember you can dry your own food quite easily as well. Especially add-ons, like mushrooms, tomatoes, even hamburger. Soft packages of meat like tuna and chicken are good for super-charging dry rice mixes.
In my mind, one-pot meals are the only way to go. t
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Canning your own meat is a topic to be explored. Some things you are able to can without a pressure cooker, but I don't think meat is one of them (and I don't have one). But you could bring along a dozen pint jars (stow them in the box the jars come in) and open as needed. You don't need as much chicken, etc. as some of that is already available in most food stores. Meaty stews, etc. all are options. If you can stow frozen for a few days, I have grilled steaks, chops, etc. at home, then put them in vacuum freezer bags and froze them. When you are ready to eat, thaw one of those and drop it in hot water until it's warm enough to eat. Pre-cooked, so you are just warming it up. But that's a couple days at best. And things differ depending on how long is the trip and where you start from. I live close enough to health food and ethnic stores to find a lot of this stuff I could use for a weekend or even a week or longer, but if a guy was going to gunk hole the Chesapeake for a month, there is a difference in what I have here and what the stores in Deltaville, Urbanna or Oxford have to offer. But if you time your shopping right, who is to say you can't buy a fresh steak, walk it back to the boat and throw it in the pan? No reason some of it can't be fresh. Howard On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Chris Smith wrote:
My family has taken numerous sailing trips over the years to many places on my dad's MacGregor 26S. Being a family of 6 (mom, dad and 4 boys) we've needed to take quite a bit of cheap food without refrigeration. Our last couple of sailing adventures involved trailering the boat from Bismarck, ND to Florida and sailing in the Bahamas. NO chance there of any kind of cooler or refrigeration without severe battery load or a running generator. Heck, we were happy enough just to have little fans blowing on us at night to keep from sleeping in puddles! * * *It was on the last trip to the Bahamas that my mom broke out the canned meats. Being a farm girl, she grew up canning fruit, vegetables, jelly/jam, you name it. This time, though, she canned (I'm talking glass container with the metal top that you heat to seal, not an aluminum can) some roast beef, some turkey and a couple meats with vegetables - kind of a soup concentrate. Holy cow, they was the most tender meats and delicious meals I've ever had on a boat. While they're not the lightweight, dry good foods that you'd ever want to lug around on a backpacking trip, they're perfect for the boat: no refrigeration necessary, cheap to make, easy to store, prepare (eat hot or not!) and nutritious and delicious. *
...Lessons from a time past when there was no refrigeration!
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Keep in mind the hollow bilge area in the shoal keel on the later M17s with glass centerboards stays well below cabin or cockpit temperatures--small, but suitable for some items in lieu of a real cooler. I use mine, as I've said before, for wine, but I imagine it would work for less precious cargo as well when the ice runs out.
There are a couple Mountain House freeze dry meals that are tolerable, but remember you can dry your own food quite easily as well. Especially add-ons, like mushrooms, tomatoes, even hamburger. Soft packages of meat like tuna and chicken are good for super-charging dry rice mixes.
In my mind, one-pot meals are the only way to go. t
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In response to your ps "....We need an invention like those instant hand warmers only with the opposite affect, that will chill a beer on demand" Hmm, has anyone tried to use one of those first aid cold packs that you pop and knead? They get pretty cold. I imagine they could be pretty costly. But think of the reaction you'd get after a week or so with no refridge and you pop open your coldy!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Langer" <farreach@optonline.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:29 PM Subject: M_Boats: No Ice Food Options
Howard,
My experience is that the ice option is driven by meat and beer. I don't eat meat so that's easy, but warm beer is unacceptable and I haven't found a solution to that yet. I've tried submerging the beer as far as 50 feet, but it still doesn't get cold like with ice.
As to food, bananas, broccoli, eggs and seasonal fruits tend to last at least a week if kept cool and protected from bouncing around. I always bring potatoes and onions. For me nothing beats a pan of home fries and a can of beans. Milk, both soy and cows is available in small single use containers which is good for a no cook breakfast of granola. Instant oatmeal is also good for breakfast.
I know they are not all over the country, but in the northeast we have a store called "Trader Joe's" and this place is great for no ice cruising. They have many products in boil bags which offer a great meal with little fuss. Just boil water, drop it in, cut the bag open and eat. The few dishes you do dirty are easily taken care of with the left over hot water. They have soups, all kinds of rice, Mexican, tuna, a line of Indian food, and an Indian Thali (3) dish dinner all in bags that is just wonderful. On my week cruise to Moosehead Lake I brought two of those and ate both. They also have a four cheese lasagna in a boil tray that might be the best I've ever had. All this without ice and an added benefit is that whatever you don't use gets saved for the next cruise or to eat at home, very little that's perishable and the boil bag concept produces very little trash. I produce about one small plastic shopping bag a week of garbage.
I don't have any trouble eating for up to a couple of weeks without ice, but I do miss having salad. And of course don't forget you fishing pole.
Rick M15 #337 Bluebird
p.s. We need an invention like those instant hand warmers only with the opposite affect, that will chill a beer on demand.
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