Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
i found that the M15 would 'siphon' water into the cockpit (less than 1/2-inch) under these conditions - beam reach and downwind in lumpy seas and light wind (lots of boat motion) in lumpy seas more than two adults of average weight in the cockpit in moderate winds on a reach and downwind. once water enters the cockpit the floor must be level (or really full of water) for it to drain. beating to the wind you can have a couple of inches 'in the corners'. dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA former M15 owner visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Sandra Anton <sailrsandy@yahoo.com> wrote: I just lauched my 2006 Montgomery 15 this week for the first time in Barnegat Bay NJ, and there is water in the sole of the cockpit almost all the time. Any one had this happen to them? Am I doing something wrong. Had 3 pjeople in the boat including myself. ?? Sandy
Dave- Is your boat one of mine or one of Bob's? I believe his are significantly heavier than mine, just from looking at them in the water. I don't remember sailing a 15 with more than one other person, but I've had them really loaded down for Mexico cruising and don't remember having more than a "wet" cockpit in rough seas. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "Sandra Anton" <sailrsandy@yahoo.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ?? i found that the M15 would 'siphon' water into the cockpit (less than 1/2-inch) under these conditions - beam reach and downwind in lumpy seas and light wind (lots of boat motion) in lumpy seas more than two adults of average weight in the cockpit in moderate winds on a reach and downwind. once water enters the cockpit the floor must be level (or really full of water) for it to drain. beating to the wind you can have a couple of inches 'in the corners'. dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA former M15 owner visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Sandra Anton <sailrsandy@yahoo.com> wrote: I just lauched my 2006 Montgomery 15 this week for the first time in Barnegat Bay NJ, and there is water in the sole of the cockpit almost all the time. Any one had this happen to them? Am I doing something wrong. Had 3 pjeople in the boat including myself. ?? Sandy _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
Regarding water in the cockpit on the Montgomery 15.. A couple of points to consider: 3 people in the cockpit of an M_15 will squat the stern somewhat. On Sandy's 2006 M_15 she has an extra 75 pounds of lead ballast (owner ordered option) This would make a difference. Bob Eeg Montgomeryboats.com (949) 489-8227
From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:20:59 -0700 Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Dave- Is your boat one of mine or one of Bob's? I believe his are significantly heavier than mine, just from looking at them in the water. I don't remember sailing a 15 with more than one other person, but I've had them really loaded down for Mexico cruising and don't remember having more than a "wet" cockpit in rough seas.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "Sandra Anton" <sailrsandy@yahoo.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
i found that the M15 would 'siphon' water into the cockpit (less than 1/2-inch) under these conditions -
beam reach and downwind in lumpy seas and light wind (lots of boat motion)
in lumpy seas more than two adults of average weight in the cockpit in moderate winds on a reach and downwind.
once water enters the cockpit the floor must be level (or really full of water) for it to drain. beating to the wind you can have a couple of inches 'in the corners'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA former M15 owner visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Sat, 7/4/09, Sandra Anton <sailrsandy@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just lauched my 2006 Montgomery 15 this week for the first time in Barnegat Bay NJ, and there is water in the sole of the cockpit almost all the time. Any one had this happen to them? Am I doing something wrong. Had 3 pjeople in the boat including myself. ?? Sandy
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Bob, You just mentioned you had added ballast of 75 pounds for an M-15. Is the placement of this ballast in the shoal keel and can I do it myself? Where would I get solid lead? Thanks Bob. ----Larry H. M-15 #189 by Jerry. Ps....You sent me a new CB a few years ago....worked out great. I beefed up the SS pin and did it right. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob
From California Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:50 AM To: Monty Listserver Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Regarding water in the cockpit on the Montgomery 15.. A couple of points to consider: 3 people in the cockpit of an M_15 will squat the stern somewhat. On Sandy's 2006 M_15 she has an extra 75 pounds of lead ballast (owner ordered option) This would make a difference. Bob Eeg Montgomeryboats.com (949) 489-8227
From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:20:59 -0700 Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Dave- Is your boat one of mine or one of Bob's? I believe his are significantly heavier than mine, just from looking at them in the water. I don't remember sailing a 15 with more than one other person, but I've had them really loaded down for Mexico cruising and don't remember having more than a "wet" cockpit in rough seas.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "Sandra Anton" <sailrsandy@yahoo.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
i found that the M15 would 'siphon' water into the cockpit (less than 1/2-inch) under these conditions -
beam reach and downwind in lumpy seas and light wind (lots of boat motion)
in lumpy seas more than two adults of average weight in the cockpit in
moderate winds on a reach and downwind.
once water enters the cockpit the floor must be level (or really full of water) for it to drain. beating to the wind you can have a couple of inches 'in the corners'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA former M15 owner visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Sat, 7/4/09, Sandra Anton <sailrsandy@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just lauched my 2006 Montgomery 15 this week for the first time in Barnegat Bay NJ, and there is water in the sole of the cockpit almost all the time. Any one had this happen to them? Am I doing something wrong. Had 3 pjeople in the boat including myself. ?? Sandy
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I would suggest using lead shot. You lose some density, but save a LOT of labor casting the lead to the desired shape.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:25 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Bob, You just mentioned you had added ballast of 75 pounds for an M-15. Is the placement of this ballast in the shoal keel and can I do it myself? Where would I get solid lead?
Thanks Bob. ----Larry H. M-15 #189 by Jerry.
Ps....You sent me a new CB a few years ago....worked out great. I beefed up the SS pin and did it right. Thanks.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob
From California Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:50 AM To: Monty Listserver Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Regarding water in the cockpit on the Montgomery 15..
A couple of points to consider:
3 people in the cockpit of an M_15 will squat the stern somewhat.
On Sandy's 2006 M_15 she has an extra 75 pounds of lead ballast (owner ordered option)
This would make a difference.
Bob Eeg
Montgomeryboats.com
(949) 489-8227
From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:20:59 -0700 Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Dave- Is your boat one of mine or one of Bob's? I believe his are significantly heavier than mine, just from looking at them in the water. I don't remember sailing a 15 with more than one other person, but I've had them really loaded down for Mexico cruising and don't remember having more than a "wet" cockpit in rough seas.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "Sandra Anton" <sailrsandy@yahoo.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
i found that the M15 would 'siphon' water into the cockpit (less than 1/2-inch) under these conditions -
beam reach and downwind in lumpy seas and light wind (lots of boat motion)
in lumpy seas more than two adults of average weight in the cockpit in
moderate winds on a reach and downwind.
once water enters the cockpit the floor must be level (or really full of water) for it to drain. beating to the wind you can have a couple of inches 'in the corners'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA former M15 owner visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Sat, 7/4/09, Sandra Anton <sailrsandy@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just lauched my 2006 Montgomery 15 this week for the first time in Barnegat Bay NJ, and there is water in the sole of the cockpit almost all the time. Any one had this happen to them? Am I doing something wrong. Had 3 pjeople in the boat including myself. ?? Sandy
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Hi Larry On that particular boat (Sandy's 2006) we used lead shot. There is not enough room in the keel for additional ballast, so we poured 50 pounds of shot into the belly of the hull just forward of the V berth bulkhead (interior liner)....spread it out to about 5/8th inch thick and layed up another lamination to cover that area. Some people just buy 2 bags of Shotgun shot at a local gun store and lay those bags forward. The other 25 pounds we did manage to feather into the keel/bilge area/forward. Try the 2 bags of shot (50 pounds) and see how she sails for you. Bob Eeg Montgomeryboats.com (949) 489-8227
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:25:17 -0700 From: Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Bob, You just mentioned you had added ballast of 75 pounds for an M-15. Is the placement of this ballast in the shoal keel and can I do it myself? Where would I get solid lead?
Thanks Bob. ----Larry H. M-15 #189 by Jerry.
Ps....You sent me a new CB a few years ago....worked out great. I beefed up the SS pin and did it right. Thanks.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob
From California Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:50 AM To: Monty Listserver Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Regarding water in the cockpit on the Montgomery 15..
A couple of points to consider:
3 people in the cockpit of an M_15 will squat the stern somewhat.
On Sandy's 2006 M_15 she has an extra 75 pounds of lead ballast (owner ordered option)
This would make a difference.
Bob Eeg
Montgomeryboats.com
(949) 489-8227
From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:20:59 -0700 Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Dave- Is your boat one of mine or one of Bob's? I believe his are significantly heavier than mine, just from looking at them in the water. I don't remember sailing a 15 with more than one other person, but I've had them really loaded down for Mexico cruising and don't remember having more than a "wet" cockpit in rough seas.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "Sandra Anton" <sailrsandy@yahoo.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
i found that the M15 would 'siphon' water into the cockpit (less than 1/2-inch) under these conditions -
beam reach and downwind in lumpy seas and light wind (lots of boat motion)
in lumpy seas more than two adults of average weight in the cockpit in
moderate winds on a reach and downwind.
once water enters the cockpit the floor must be level (or really full of water) for it to drain. beating to the wind you can have a couple of inches 'in the corners'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA former M15 owner visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Sat, 7/4/09, Sandra Anton <sailrsandy@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just lauched my 2006 Montgomery 15 this week for the first time in Barnegat Bay NJ, and there is water in the sole of the cockpit almost all the time. Any one had this happen to them? Am I doing something wrong. Had 3 pjeople in the boat including myself. ?? Sandy
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Thanks Bob. Good idea. ---Larry Hughston -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob
From California Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:33 AM To: Monty Listserver Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Hi Larry On that particular boat (Sandy's 2006) we used lead shot. There is not enough room in the keel for additional ballast, so we poured 50 pounds of shot into the belly of the hull just forward of the V berth bulkhead (interior liner)....spread it out to about 5/8th inch thick and layed up another lamination to cover that area. Some people just buy 2 bags of Shotgun shot at a local gun store and lay those bags forward. The other 25 pounds we did manage to feather into the keel/bilge area/forward. Try the 2 bags of shot (50 pounds) and see how she sails for you. Bob Eeg Montgomeryboats.com (949) 489-8227
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:25:17 -0700 From: Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Bob, You just mentioned you had added ballast of 75 pounds for an M-15. Is the placement of this ballast in the shoal keel and can I do it myself? Where would I get solid lead?
Thanks Bob. ----Larry H. M-15 #189 by Jerry.
Ps....You sent me a new CB a few years ago....worked out great. I beefed up the SS pin and did it right. Thanks.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bob
From California Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:50 AM To: Monty Listserver Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Regarding water in the cockpit on the Montgomery 15..
A couple of points to consider:
3 people in the cockpit of an M_15 will squat the stern somewhat.
On Sandy's 2006 M_15 she has an extra 75 pounds of lead ballast (owner
ordered option)
This would make a difference.
Bob Eeg
Montgomeryboats.com
(949) 489-8227
From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:20:59 -0700 Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
Dave- Is your boat one of mine or one of Bob's? I believe his are significantly heavier than mine, just from looking at them in the water. I don't remember sailing a 15 with more than one other person, but I've had them really loaded down for Mexico cruising and don't remember having more than a "wet" cockpit in rough seas.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "Sandra Anton" <sailrsandy@yahoo.com>; "For and about Montgomery
Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: water in cockpit the cockpit 2006 M15 ??
i found that the M15 would 'siphon' water into the cockpit (less than 1/2-inch) under these conditions -
beam reach and downwind in lumpy seas and light wind (lots of boat motion)
in lumpy seas more than two adults of average weight in the cockpit in
moderate winds on a reach and downwind.
once water enters the cockpit the floor must be level (or really full of water) for it to drain. beating to the wind you can have a couple of
inches 'in the corners'.
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA former M15 owner visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Sat, 7/4/09, Sandra Anton <sailrsandy@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just lauched my 2006 Montgomery 15 this week for the first time in
Barnegat Bay NJ, and there is water in the sole of the cockpit almost all the time. Any one had this happen to them? Am I doing something wrong. Had 3 pjeople in the boat including myself. ?? Sandy
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