Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1
Jerry: I went out to a LWSC "Open House" at Lake Washington basin a few years ago and decided that the launch ramp there is just too sketchy (my personal opinion) to launch my m15 there. They do have a hoist, but it is rated at something like 700lbs max. With that said, it is very doable for the Potter 15 crowd to join in, but TwoCan is too heavy for the hoist and I ain't going anywhere near that ramp. Which leaves only one option: overnight on the boat and motor the 30 miles back the following day. All-in-all I have decided each year to pass on this one. Now, maybe in a Sage 15 someday...well, that might just be a whole different animal ;-) ------- Original Message -------
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Dave, I was surprised to read that you have sailed your M-17 on the waters of Puget Sound. I moved to the South Puget Sound area two years ago and towed my M-15 along after previously having had it on the fresh and cold water of Lake Couer D' Alene in Idaho. I heard admonishment from local boat owners about the damage the waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon discovering that hull paint runs about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that scrubbing and rinsing with fresh water would be a less expensive approach. Have seen your Sage 17 on its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did not observe expensive hull paint. What do you do regarding protecting your boat from saltwater? Steve M-15 # 335
------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:14:04 -0700 Dave, Thanx. Are you planning to tow Air Born to Olympia for Harbor Days at the end of August? There is a power washer at the boat yard at Swantown. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Steve:
My old M15 and the Sage 17 AIR BORN didn't/don't have antifouling bottom paint. neither spent/spend much time in saltwater.
the longest my M15 spent was about 10 days. the longest for AIR BORN is 15 days.
after this time both boats had slime on the bottom and AIR BORN had one, very small barnacle (hadn't stuck hard, flicked it off with my fingernail). the slime came off easily when taking the boat through a car wash (ie, the you use a power washer wand and 'foaming brush' kind).
my M17, SWEET PEA, lived on a buoy in Quartermaster Harbor (Vashon Is.) for about 20 years. she has bottom paint. since i've owned SWEET PEA, she has lived on her trailer excluding times cruising (longest in-water time just over three weeks).
if you were to keep a boat, any boat, in the PNW saltwater more than a couple of weeks you need to apply antifouling. it is also best if you apply a barrier coat to the boat before applying anitfouling, if the boat will be in water long-term (more than a couple of months barrier coat is to protect the bottom against blistering,
yeah, bottom paint ain't cheap. i bet a M15 would need less than 2Q. a Sage 17 needs just over 2Q.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Dave, I was surprised to read that you have sailed your M-17 on the waters of Puget Sound. I moved to the South Puget Sound area two years ago and towed my M-15 along after previously having had it on the fresh and cold water of Lake Couer D' Alene in Idaho. I heard admonishment from local boat owners about the damage the waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon discovering that hull paint runs about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that scrubbing and rinsing with fresh water would be a less expensive approach. Have seen your Sage 17 on its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did not observe expensive hull paint. What do you do regarding protecting your boat from saltwater? Steve M-15 # 335
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------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:11:34 -0600 Steve: i'll likely not be back to WA until July 2015. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:14 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Dave, Thanx. Are you planning to tow Air Born to Olympia for Harbor Days at the end of August? There is a power washer at the boat yard at Swantown. Steve M-15 # 335
------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:14:42 -0700 Hi,? I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:39:35 -0400 Hi Tom, my. My name is Tom and I also have aMontgomery 17 and sail out of Haverstraw. Where along the Hudson are you located? Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Thomas Budington via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi, I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful.
Just wanted to intro myself, Tom
------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:45:19 -0500 Tom, Welcome to the gang. Weather permitting, I plan to sail with my grandson this afternoon on Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis. Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony -----Original Message----- Budington via montgomery_boats Hi,? I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:59:14 -0500 Hello Tom, on the Hudson. I used to live and sail along the coast of Connecticut. Now I sail my M-17, or will soon, off Rockport, Tx. Today I am repairing some gelcoat and will wash and coat the hull with some substance called "NuGlass 2". This week I removed the aluminum rails from the hull to inspect the hull/deck joint. All looks fine and after treating the hull and painting the deck I will reinstall the soon to be repainted aluminum rails. Amazing the amount of dirt that collected beneath those during the last 38 years. Very satisfying to get it all cleaned out and their removal will greatly aid in my getting a good paint job done on the deck. I find puttering around on the boat almost as much fun as sailing in it. Retirement has given me the time to do so. Unfortunately my grandson lives about 1500 miles away. I would love to introduce him to sailing. Welcome aboard, Tom Buzzi, M17, #258, 1977 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:22:26 -0700 Hi Tom, Yeah, "messing about in boats" is a worthy thing to do!? I hope you get to sail with your grandson, as we know time goes by so fast... Enjoy "messing about" and will be reading the blog. Tom Budington On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:01 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Tom, on the Hudson. I used to live and sail along the coast of Connecticut. Now I sail my M-17, or will soon, off Rockport, Tx. Today I am repairing some gelcoat and will wash and coat the hull with some substance called "NuGlass 2". This week I removed the aluminum rails from the hull to inspect the hull/deck joint. All looks fine and after treating the hull and painting the deck I will reinstall the soon to be repainted aluminum rails. Amazing the amount of dirt that collected beneath those during the last 38 years. Very satisfying to get it all cleaned out and their removal will greatly aid in my getting a good paint job done on the deck. I find puttering around on the boat almost as much fun as sailing in it. Retirement has given me the time to do so. Unfortunately my grandson lives about 1500 miles away. I would love to introduce him to sailing. Welcome aboard, Tom Buzzi, M17, #258, 1977 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:19:37 -0500 Eons ago, we were heading for Europe, to sail our new Northeast 38 toy, that I had pretty much bought sight-unseen for $15K- fully equipped, in Denmark. The intent was to find out what sort of problems I had bought, fix them / or get them fixed, before planning to sail it back to the States the following year. Our T-L 29 was in the water her normal spot at Fort Rachel Marine at Mystic, CT, and I left our Dyer 7'-9" dinghy tied up alongside the mother ship while we were gone. The Dyer dink didn't have any anti-fouling paint on the bottom. We were gone for about two months. When we were back in Connecticut again, we headed to Mystic to go sailing. After bailing out all the rain water that had collected during our absence, I untied the dinghy, to moor it astern, it felt very sluggish. What gives? I hauled it up on the dock, and was dumbfounded to see the bottom of the dinghy totally covered with a thick layer of barnacles. They had found a new happy home during our absence, and had been fruitful and multiplied.... I spent the next several hours with a paint scraper, laboriously removing the barnacles - large and small - and making a large mess on the dock, before washing them back into the water, for the edification of the sea gulls and cormorants. I was so busy kicking myself for my stupidity, that I didn't think of weighing or measuring the volume of barnacles removed, but I assure you the whole bottom of the dinghy, every square inch of it, was totally cover with barnacles; some as big as a dime. A wild guess on my part would be about 30 lbs of barnacles that I removed. Let me assure you, the little crustaceans hold on the fiberglass bottom was extremely tenacious. My removal efforts were just a tad under using dynamite and blasting, and you could see the little round areas where each had firmly attached itself to the Dyer hull as they were chiseled away. My conclusion: If a boat is moving - as on a cruise - your chances of growing barnacles diminish. They like their quite undisturbed sex, such as I offered with the bottom of our dinghy. A moving boat makes it more difficult for them to attach themselves. Our T-L 29 had anti-fouling paint and we never had a problem with barnacles, other than on the propeller shaft or propeller blades themselves (that were unpainted). A few weeks cruising shouldn't present a barnacle problem, but beware if the boat just sits at a salt water Marina and doesn't move for weeks; and it doesn't have anti-fouling paint on the bottom. Then barnacles will cry "Whoopy, we've found a new home, let the sex orgy start" and you will have a big problem. The next time I was gone for a time, I left the dinghy overturned on the foredeck. One lesson learned was enough for me. Connie ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:57:47 -0500 "4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)." By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft. -----Original Message----- i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current. the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.) 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below). a 5HP is more than enough. i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:41:03 -0600 Henry: i'm referring to the 'true' 4-stroke 4HP motor Yamaha made until 2010/2011. i almost bought one in summer 2010 ... wish i had! -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft.
-----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:59:11 -0400 Hi Tom. Welcome to the list. We are sailing the north shore of Lake Ontario this week. Leaving from Grimsby Ontario. Bill
On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Thomas Budington via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi, I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful.
Just wanted to intro myself, Tom
------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:52:34 -0700 In a few weeks we're taking our Montgomery 15 to the Delta and to San Francisco Bay for a couple of overnight outings. I grew up sailing out of Berkeley, and have sailed our Montgomery out of Berkeley before. Sailing out the Oakland Estuary sounds like a fun change. The thing is I am not familiar with the ramps in the Oakland Estuary nor their advantages and disadvantages, especially when planning to park a vehicle and trailer overnight. Maybe the parking at some ramps gets full sometimes too. Would anyone familiar with ramps in the Oakland Estuary be so kind as to share their thoughts? Thanks! David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 15:53:34 -0600 Henry. Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like a short shaft. Hey short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as it will cavitate in even a slight sea. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft.
-----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 22:46:39 -0500 Ok, thanks! -----Original Message----- Henry. Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like a short shaft. Hey short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as it will cavitate in even a slight sea. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft.
-----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 01:09:27 -0400 are you??? Sure Hope So!! Monty Drivers Wanted!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJRRu1unI18 Website updated with new information soon, but plan on this February!!! www.sailhavasu.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 15:52:04 -0700 To Sacramento sailors- I just entered my Sage in the Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat, starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington in W Sacatomatoes. I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum; lots of Potters entered. The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the way. Neil? Anyone? Sounds like a long but easy race to me. You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum. jerry ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:24:36 -0400 (EDT) I'd be all over that one - but they have my name on a list in Sacto after that visit last month ..something about wildcats or...... Get yourself a good spinn trimmer and ROMP that one ! ! Go gettum ! GO In a message dated 8/5/2014 3:52:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org writes: To Sacramento sailors- I just entered my Sage in the Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat, starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington in W Sacatomatoes. I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum; lots of Potters entered. The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the way. Neil? Anyone? Sounds like a long but easy race to me. You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum. jerry ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 ************************************************
If you can't retrieve your M-15 there, I won't be able to retrive my Sage, probably. I've got the prototype trailer and it needs the Mindinao Trench. Woops. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <ndorf@surfbest.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 Jerry: I went out to a LWSC "Open House" at Lake Washington basin a few years ago and decided that the launch ramp there is just too sketchy (my personal opinion) to launch my m15 there. They do have a hoist, but it is rated at something like 700lbs max. With that said, it is very doable for the Potter 15 crowd to join in, but TwoCan is too heavy for the hoist and I ain't going anywhere near that ramp. Which leaves only one option: overnight on the boat and motor the 30 miles back the following day. All-in-all I have decided each year to pass on this one. Now, maybe in a Sage 15 someday...well, that might just be a whole different animal ;-) ------- Original Message -------
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Dave, I was surprised to read that you have sailed your M-17 on the waters of Puget Sound. I moved to the South Puget Sound area two years ago and towed my M-15 along after previously having had it on the fresh and cold water of Lake Couer D' Alene in Idaho. I heard admonishment from local boat owners about the damage the waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon discovering that hull paint runs about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that scrubbing and rinsing with fresh water would be a less expensive approach. Have seen your Sage 17 on its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did not observe expensive hull paint. What do you do regarding protecting your boat from saltwater? Steve M-15 # 335
------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:14:04 -0700 Dave, Thanx. Are you planning to tow Air Born to Olympia for Harbor Days at the end of August? There is a power washer at the boat yard at Swantown. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Steve:
My old M15 and the Sage 17 AIR BORN didn't/don't have antifouling bottom paint. neither spent/spend much time in saltwater.
the longest my M15 spent was about 10 days. the longest for AIR BORN is 15 days.
after this time both boats had slime on the bottom and AIR BORN had one, very small barnacle (hadn't stuck hard, flicked it off with my fingernail). the slime came off easily when taking the boat through a car wash (ie, the you use a power washer wand and 'foaming brush' kind).
my M17, SWEET PEA, lived on a buoy in Quartermaster Harbor (Vashon Is.) for about 20 years. she has bottom paint. since i've owned SWEET PEA, she has lived on her trailer excluding times cruising (longest in-water time just over three weeks).
if you were to keep a boat, any boat, in the PNW saltwater more than a couple of weeks you need to apply antifouling. it is also best if you apply a barrier coat to the boat before applying anitfouling, if the boat will be in water long-term (more than a couple of months barrier coat is to protect the bottom against blistering,
yeah, bottom paint ain't cheap. i bet a M15 would need less than 2Q. a Sage 17 needs just over 2Q.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Dave, I was surprised to read that you have sailed your M-17 on the waters of Puget Sound. I moved to the South Puget Sound area two years ago and towed my M-15 along after previously having had it on the fresh and cold water of Lake Couer D' Alene in Idaho. I heard admonishment from local boat owners about the damage the waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon discovering that hull paint runs about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that scrubbing and rinsing with fresh water would be a less expensive approach. Have seen your Sage 17 on its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did not observe expensive hull paint. What do you do regarding protecting your boat from saltwater? Steve M-15 # 335
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------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:11:34 -0600 Steve: i'll likely not be back to WA until July 2015. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:14 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Dave, Thanx. Are you planning to tow Air Born to Olympia for Harbor Days at the end of August? There is a power washer at the boat yard at Swantown. Steve M-15 # 335
------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:14:42 -0700 Hi,? I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:39:35 -0400 Hi Tom, my. My name is Tom and I also have aMontgomery 17 and sail out of Haverstraw. Where along the Hudson are you located? Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Thomas Budington via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi, I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful.
Just wanted to intro myself, Tom
------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:45:19 -0500 Tom, Welcome to the gang. Weather permitting, I plan to sail with my grandson this afternoon on Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis. Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony -----Original Message----- Budington via montgomery_boats Hi,? I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:59:14 -0500 Hello Tom, on the Hudson. I used to live and sail along the coast of Connecticut. Now I sail my M-17, or will soon, off Rockport, Tx. Today I am repairing some gelcoat and will wash and coat the hull with some substance called "NuGlass 2". This week I removed the aluminum rails from the hull to inspect the hull/deck joint. All looks fine and after treating the hull and painting the deck I will reinstall the soon to be repainted aluminum rails. Amazing the amount of dirt that collected beneath those during the last 38 years. Very satisfying to get it all cleaned out and their removal will greatly aid in my getting a good paint job done on the deck. I find puttering around on the boat almost as much fun as sailing in it. Retirement has given me the time to do so. Unfortunately my grandson lives about 1500 miles away. I would love to introduce him to sailing. Welcome aboard, Tom Buzzi, M17, #258, 1977 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:22:26 -0700 Hi Tom, Yeah, "messing about in boats" is a worthy thing to do!? I hope you get to sail with your grandson, as we know time goes by so fast... Enjoy "messing about" and will be reading the blog. Tom Budington On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:01 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Tom, on the Hudson. I used to live and sail along the coast of Connecticut. Now I sail my M-17, or will soon, off Rockport, Tx. Today I am repairing some gelcoat and will wash and coat the hull with some substance called "NuGlass 2". This week I removed the aluminum rails from the hull to inspect the hull/deck joint. All looks fine and after treating the hull and painting the deck I will reinstall the soon to be repainted aluminum rails. Amazing the amount of dirt that collected beneath those during the last 38 years. Very satisfying to get it all cleaned out and their removal will greatly aid in my getting a good paint job done on the deck. I find puttering around on the boat almost as much fun as sailing in it. Retirement has given me the time to do so. Unfortunately my grandson lives about 1500 miles away. I would love to introduce him to sailing. Welcome aboard, Tom Buzzi, M17, #258, 1977 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:19:37 -0500 Eons ago, we were heading for Europe, to sail our new Northeast 38 toy, that I had pretty much bought sight-unseen for $15K- fully equipped, in Denmark. The intent was to find out what sort of problems I had bought, fix them / or get them fixed, before planning to sail it back to the States the following year. Our T-L 29 was in the water her normal spot at Fort Rachel Marine at Mystic, CT, and I left our Dyer 7'-9" dinghy tied up alongside the mother ship while we were gone. The Dyer dink didn't have any anti-fouling paint on the bottom. We were gone for about two months. When we were back in Connecticut again, we headed to Mystic to go sailing. After bailing out all the rain water that had collected during our absence, I untied the dinghy, to moor it astern, it felt very sluggish. What gives? I hauled it up on the dock, and was dumbfounded to see the bottom of the dinghy totally covered with a thick layer of barnacles. They had found a new happy home during our absence, and had been fruitful and multiplied.... I spent the next several hours with a paint scraper, laboriously removing the barnacles - large and small - and making a large mess on the dock, before washing them back into the water, for the edification of the sea gulls and cormorants. I was so busy kicking myself for my stupidity, that I didn't think of weighing or measuring the volume of barnacles removed, but I assure you the whole bottom of the dinghy, every square inch of it, was totally cover with barnacles; some as big as a dime. A wild guess on my part would be about 30 lbs of barnacles that I removed. Let me assure you, the little crustaceans hold on the fiberglass bottom was extremely tenacious. My removal efforts were just a tad under using dynamite and blasting, and you could see the little round areas where each had firmly attached itself to the Dyer hull as they were chiseled away. My conclusion: If a boat is moving - as on a cruise - your chances of growing barnacles diminish. They like their quite undisturbed sex, such as I offered with the bottom of our dinghy. A moving boat makes it more difficult for them to attach themselves. Our T-L 29 had anti-fouling paint and we never had a problem with barnacles, other than on the propeller shaft or propeller blades themselves (that were unpainted). A few weeks cruising shouldn't present a barnacle problem, but beware if the boat just sits at a salt water Marina and doesn't move for weeks; and it doesn't have anti-fouling paint on the bottom. Then barnacles will cry "Whoopy, we've found a new home, let the sex orgy start" and you will have a big problem. The next time I was gone for a time, I left the dinghy overturned on the foredeck. One lesson learned was enough for me. Connie ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:57:47 -0500 "4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)." By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft. -----Original Message----- i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current. the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.) 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below). a 5HP is more than enough. i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:41:03 -0600 Henry: i'm referring to the 'true' 4-stroke 4HP motor Yamaha made until 2010/2011. i almost bought one in summer 2010 ... wish i had! -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft.
-----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:59:11 -0400 Hi Tom. Welcome to the list. We are sailing the north shore of Lake Ontario this week. Leaving from Grimsby Ontario. Bill
On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Thomas Budington via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi, I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful.
Just wanted to intro myself, Tom
------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:52:34 -0700 In a few weeks we're taking our Montgomery 15 to the Delta and to San Francisco Bay for a couple of overnight outings. I grew up sailing out of Berkeley, and have sailed our Montgomery out of Berkeley before. Sailing out the Oakland Estuary sounds like a fun change. The thing is I am not familiar with the ramps in the Oakland Estuary nor their advantages and disadvantages, especially when planning to park a vehicle and trailer overnight. Maybe the parking at some ramps gets full sometimes too. Would anyone familiar with ramps in the Oakland Estuary be so kind as to share their thoughts? Thanks! David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 15:53:34 -0600 Henry. Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like a short shaft. Hey short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as it will cavitate in even a slight sea. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft.
-----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 22:46:39 -0500 Ok, thanks! -----Original Message----- Henry. Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like a short shaft. Hey short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as it will cavitate in even a slight sea. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft.
-----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 01:09:27 -0400 are you??? Sure Hope So!! Monty Drivers Wanted!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJRRu1unI18 Website updated with new information soon, but plan on this February!!! www.sailhavasu.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 15:52:04 -0700 To Sacramento sailors- I just entered my Sage in the Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat, starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington in W Sacatomatoes. I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum; lots of Potters entered. The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the way. Neil? Anyone? Sounds like a long but easy race to me. You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum. jerry ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:24:36 -0400 (EDT) I'd be all over that one - but they have my name on a list in Sacto after that visit last month ..something about wildcats or...... Get yourself a good spinn trimmer and ROMP that one ! ! Go gettum ! GO In a message dated 8/5/2014 3:52:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org writes: To Sacramento sailors- I just entered my Sage in the Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat, starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington in W Sacatomatoes. I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum; lots of Potters entered. The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the way. Neil? Anyone? Sounds like a long but easy race to me. You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum. jerry ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 ************************************************ -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 11653 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen
just get a good run at it! On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 7:15 PM, jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: If you can't retrieve your M-15 there, I won't be able to retrive my Sage, probably. I've got the prototype trailer and it needs the Mindinao Trench. Woops. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <ndorf@surfbest.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 Jerry: I went out to a LWSC "Open House" at Lake Washington basin a few years ago and decided that the launch ramp there is just too sketchy (my personal opinion) to launch my m15 there. They do have a hoist, but it is rated at something like 700lbs max. With that said, it is very doable for the Potter 15 crowd to join in, but TwoCan is too heavy for the hoist and I ain't going anywhere near that ramp. Which leaves only one option: overnight on the boat and motor the 30 miles back the following day. All-in-all I have decided each year to pass on this one. Now, maybe in a Sage 15 someday...well, that might just be a whole different animal ;-) ------- Original Message ------- From : montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com[mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent : 8/5/2014 8:25:02 PM To : montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc : Subject : RE: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: saltwater? (Dave Scobie) 2. Re: saltwater? (stevetrapp) 3. Re: saltwater? AIR BORN back in WA? (Dave Scobie) 4. 2004 Ser#624 (Thomas Budington) 5. Re: 2004 Ser#624 (Tom Stala) 6. Re: 2004 Ser#624 (Rich Makela) 7. Welcome (Thomas Buzzi) 8. Re: Welcome (Thomas Budington) 9. Barnacles (Conbert Benneck) 10. Re: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors (Henry Rodriguez) 11. Re: Yamaha 4HP outboard (Dave Scobie) 12. Re: 2004 Ser#624 (Bill Wickett) 13. Oakland Estuary Ramps (David Grah) 14. Re: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors (Dave Scobie) 15. Re: Advice or help needed from San Francisco BayareaMontgomery Sailors (Henry Rodriguez) 16. Sailhavasu - Feature Film of Last time- it's coming again.... (Nebwest2@aol.com) 17. Delta Ditch race (jerry montgomery) 18. Re: Delta Ditch race (GILASAILR@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:47:23 -0600 Steve: My old M15 and the Sage 17 AIR BORN didn't/don't have antifouling bottom paint. neither spent/spend much time in saltwater. the longest my M15 spent was about 10 days. the longest for AIR BORN is 15 days. after this time both boats had slime on the bottom and AIR BORN had one, very small barnacle (hadn't stuck hard, flicked it off with my fingernail). the slime came off easily when taking the boat through a car wash (ie, the you use a power washer wand and 'foaming brush' kind). my M17, SWEET PEA, lived on a buoy in Quartermaster Harbor (Vashon Is.) for about 20 years. she has bottom paint. since i've owned SWEET PEA, she has lived on her trailer excluding times cruising (longest in-water time just over three weeks). if you were to keep a boat, any boat, in the PNW saltwater more than a couple of weeks you need to apply antifouling. it is also best if you apply a barrier coat to the boat before applying anitfouling, if the boat will be in water long-term (more than a couple of months barrier coat is to protect the bottom against blistering, yeah, bottom paint ain't cheap. i bet a M15 would need less than 2Q. a Sage 17 needs just over 2Q. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Dave, I was surprised to read that you have sailed your M-17 on the waters of Puget Sound. I moved to the South Puget Sound area two years ago and towed my M-15 along after previously having had it on the fresh and cold water of Lake Couer D' Alene in Idaho. I heard admonishment from local boat owners about the damage the waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon discovering that hull paint runs about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that scrubbing and rinsing with fresh water would be a less expensive approach. Have seen your Sage 17 on its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did not observe expensive hull paint. What do you do regarding protecting your boat from saltwater? Steve M-15 # 335
------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:14:04 -0700 Dave, Thanx. Are you planning to tow Air Born to Olympia for Harbor Days at the end of August? There is a power washer at the boat yard at Swantown. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Steve:
My old M15 and the Sage 17 AIR BORN didn't/don't have antifouling bottom paint. neither spent/spend much time in saltwater.
the longest my M15 spent was about 10 days. the longest for AIR BORN is 15 days.
after this time both boats had slime on the bottom and AIR BORN had one, very small barnacle (hadn't stuck hard, flicked it off with my fingernail). the slime came off easily when taking the boat through a car wash (ie, the you use a power washer wand and 'foaming brush' kind).
my M17, SWEET PEA, lived on a buoy in Quartermaster Harbor (Vashon Is.) for about 20 years. she has bottom paint. since i've owned SWEET PEA, she has lived on her trailer excluding times cruising (longest in-water time just over three weeks).
if you were to keep a boat, any boat, in the PNW saltwater more than a couple of weeks you need to apply antifouling. it is also best if you apply a barrier coat to the boat before applying anitfouling, if the boat will be in water long-term (more than a couple of months barrier coat is to protect the bottom against blistering,
yeah, bottom paint ain't cheap. i bet a M15 would need less than 2Q. a Sage 17 needs just over 2Q.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Dave, I was surprised to read that you have sailed your M-17 on the waters of Puget Sound. I moved to the South Puget Sound area two years ago and towed my M-15 along after previously having had it on the fresh and cold water of Lake Couer D' Alene in Idaho. I heard admonishment from local boat owners about the damage the waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon discovering that hull paint runs about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that scrubbing and rinsing with fresh water would be a less expensive approach. Have seen your Sage 17 on its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did not observe expensive hull paint. What do you do regarding protecting your boat from saltwater? Steve M-15 # 335
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------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:11:34 -0600 Steve: i'll likely not be back to WA until July 2015. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:14 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Dave, Thanx. Are you planning to tow Air Born to Olympia for Harbor Days at the end of August? There is a power washer at the boat yard at Swantown. Steve M-15 # 335
------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:14:42 -0700 Hi,? I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:39:35 -0400 Hi Tom, my. My name is Tom and I also have aMontgomery 17 and sail out of Haverstraw. Where along the Hudson are you located? Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Thomas Budington via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi, I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful.
Just wanted to intro myself, Tom
------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:45:19 -0500 Tom, Welcome to the gang. Weather permitting, I plan to sail with my grandson this afternoon on Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis. Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony -----Original Message----- Budington via montgomery_boats Hi,? I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful. Just wanted to intro myself, Tom ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:59:14 -0500 Hello Tom, on the Hudson. I used to live and sail along the coast of Connecticut. Now I sail my M-17, or will soon, off Rockport, Tx. Today I am repairing some gelcoat and will wash and coat the hull with some substance called "NuGlass 2". This week I removed the aluminum rails from the hull to inspect the hull/deck joint. All looks fine and after treating the hull and painting the deck I will reinstall the soon to be repainted aluminum rails. Amazing the amount of dirt that collected beneath those during the last 38 years. Very satisfying to get it all cleaned out and their removal will greatly aid in my getting a good paint job done on the deck. I find puttering around on the boat almost as much fun as sailing in it. Retirement has given me the time to do so. Unfortunately my grandson lives about 1500 miles away. I would love to introduce him to sailing. Welcome aboard, Tom Buzzi, M17, #258, 1977 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:22:26 -0700 Hi Tom, Yeah, "messing about in boats" is a worthy thing to do!? I hope you get to sail with your grandson, as we know time goes by so fast... Enjoy "messing about" and will be reading the blog. Tom Budington On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:01 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Tom, on the Hudson. I used to live and sail along the coast of Connecticut. Now I sail my M-17, or will soon, off Rockport, Tx. Today I am repairing some gelcoat and will wash and coat the hull with some substance called "NuGlass 2". This week I removed the aluminum rails from the hull to inspect the hull/deck joint. All looks fine and after treating the hull and painting the deck I will reinstall the soon to be repainted aluminum rails. Amazing the amount of dirt that collected beneath those during the last 38 years. Very satisfying to get it all cleaned out and their removal will greatly aid in my getting a good paint job done on the deck. I find puttering around on the boat almost as much fun as sailing in it. Retirement has given me the time to do so. Unfortunately my grandson lives about 1500 miles away. I would love to introduce him to sailing. Welcome aboard, Tom Buzzi, M17, #258, 1977 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:19:37 -0500 Eons ago, we were heading for Europe, to sail our new Northeast 38 toy, that I had pretty much bought sight-unseen for $15K- fully equipped, in Denmark. The intent was to find out what sort of problems I had bought, fix them / or get them fixed, before planning to sail it back to the States the following year. Our T-L 29 was in the water her normal spot at Fort Rachel Marine at Mystic, CT, and I left our Dyer 7'-9" dinghy tied up alongside the mother ship while we were gone. The Dyer dink didn't have any anti-fouling paint on the bottom. We were gone for about two months. When we were back in Connecticut again, we headed to Mystic to go sailing. After bailing out all the rain water that had collected during our absence, I untied the dinghy, to moor it astern, it felt very sluggish. What gives? I hauled it up on the dock, and was dumbfounded to see the bottom of the dinghy totally covered with a thick layer of barnacles. They had found a new happy home during our absence, and had been fruitful and multiplied.... I spent the next several hours with a paint scraper, laboriously removing the barnacles - large and small - and making a large mess on the dock, before washing them back into the water, for the edification of the sea gulls and cormorants. I was so busy kicking myself for my stupidity, that I didn't think of weighing or measuring the volume of barnacles removed, but I assure you the whole bottom of the dinghy, every square inch of it, was totally cover with barnacles; some as big as a dime. A wild guess on my part would be about 30 lbs of barnacles that I removed. Let me assure you, the little crustaceans hold on the fiberglass bottom was extremely tenacious. My removal efforts were just a tad under using dynamite and blasting, and you could see the little round areas where each had firmly attached itself to the Dyer hull as they were chiseled away. My conclusion: If a boat is moving - as on a cruise - your chances of growing barnacles diminish. They like their quite undisturbed sex, such as I offered with the bottom of our dinghy. A moving boat makes it more difficult for them to attach themselves. Our T-L 29 had anti-fouling paint and we never had a problem with barnacles, other than on the propeller shaft or propeller blades themselves (that were unpainted). A few weeks cruising shouldn't present a barnacle problem, but beware if the boat just sits at a salt water Marina and doesn't move for weeks; and it doesn't have anti-fouling paint on the bottom. Then barnacles will cry "Whoopy, we've found a new home, let the sex orgy start" and you will have a big problem. The next time I was gone for a time, I left the dinghy overturned on the foredeck. One lesson learned was enough for me. Connie ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:57:47 -0500 "4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)." By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft. -----Original Message----- i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current. the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.) 4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below). a 5HP is more than enough. i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP). more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard. i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:41:03 -0600 Henry: i'm referring to the 'true' 4-stroke 4HP motor Yamaha made until 2010/2011. i almost bought one in summer 2010 ... wish i had! -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft.
-----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:59:11 -0400 Hi Tom. Welcome to the list. We are sailing the north shore of Lake Ontario this week. Leaving from Grimsby Ontario. Bill
On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Thomas Budington via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi, I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find them helpful.
Just wanted to intro myself, Tom
------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:52:34 -0700 In a few weeks we're taking our Montgomery 15 to the Delta and to San Francisco Bay for a couple of overnight outings. I grew up sailing out of Berkeley, and have sailed our Montgomery out of Berkeley before. Sailing out the Oakland Estuary sounds like a fun change. The thing is I am not familiar with the ramps in the Oakland Estuary nor their advantages and disadvantages, especially when planning to park a vehicle and trailer overnight. Maybe the parking at some ramps gets full sometimes too. Would anyone familiar with ramps in the Oakland Estuary be so kind as to share their thoughts? Thanks! David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 15:53:34 -0600 Henry. Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like a short shaft. Hey short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as it will cavitate in even a slight sea. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft.
-----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 22:46:39 -0500 Ok, thanks! -----Original Message----- Henry. Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like a short shaft. Hey short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as it will cavitate in even a slight sea. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA :: Former M15 owner On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez" <heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage 4-stroke? There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft.
-----Original Message----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay areaMontgomery Sailors
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17. never had issue with having 'enough power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget Sound, and the waters around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. sailing in these areas requires planning when you pass through channels and other areas that have strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going to get her going much faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put on the boat. (Jerry Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some folks have done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size. the 'old' Yamaha 4HP was perfect. Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the way of Suzuki (see below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same motor as the 4HP (the 4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external tank nor alternator option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now sold as the 2.3HP) on the M17. this motor will move the boat just fine to about 4.5kts in light seas and winds. the 31 pound 2HP is another reason. a lot less weight to carry around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and they cruise the same areas i do in the PNW. the only limitations with the Yamaha are the lack of an external tank and the motor is only available in a short shaft.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in Pittsburg, and giving my 2001 Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. It's about time, I turned 88 last month. I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and around the Delta, during those 14 years, but never further west. Because my dock was right behind the house I never had a trailer. When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I would sail her up to whatever slip space he gets on the Island. Now I'm wondering. Is that a reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? Have any of you done it, and how long did it take. I'm anxious for your input. If you all think sailing Beatrice would be crazy, is there anybody out there who would consider renting me a trailer for a weekend. If so, it would be towed by my son who's 38 years my junior, Thanks for listening and kind regards, Richard Conn
------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 01:09:27 -0400 are you??? Sure Hope So!! Monty Drivers Wanted!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJRRu1unI18 Website updated with new information soon, but plan on this February!!! www.sailhavasu.com ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 15:52:04 -0700 To Sacramento sailors- I just entered my Sage in the Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat, starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington in W Sacatomatoes. I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum; lots of Potters entered. The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the way. Neil? Anyone? Sounds like a long but easy race to me. You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum. jerry ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:24:36 -0400 (EDT) I'd be all over that one - but they have my name on a list in Sacto after that visit last month ..something about wildcats or...... Get yourself a good spinn trimmer and ROMP that one ! ! Go gettum ! GO In a message dated 8/5/2014 3:52:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org writes: To Sacramento sailors- I just entered my Sage in the Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat, starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington in W Sacatomatoes. I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum; lots of Potters entered. The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the way. Neil? Anyone? Sounds like a long but easy race to me. You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum. jerry ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 ************************************************ -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 11653 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen
Does one of the other marinas in Sacramento or West Sacramento have a good boat ramp? I saw that there are ramps at Miller Park, and Broderick but I haven't been to them. Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant" On Aug 5, 2014, at 7:03 PM, ndorf@surfbest.net wrote:
Jerry: I went out to a LWSC "Open House" at Lake Washington basin a few years ago and decided that the launch ramp there is just too sketchy (my personal opinion) to launch my m15 there. They do have a hoist, but it is rated at something like 700lbs max.
With that said, it is very doable for the Potter 15 crowd to join in, but TwoCan is too heavy for the hoist and I ain't going anywhere near that ramp. Which leaves only one option: overnight on the boat and motor the 30 miles back the following day.
All-in-all I have decided each year to pass on this one.
Now, maybe in a Sage 15 someday...well, that might just be a whole different animal ;-)
I don't think you can get to another ramp, but I'll find out today. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Backman" <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 Does one of the other marinas in Sacramento or West Sacramento have a good boat ramp? I saw that there are ramps at Miller Park, and Broderick but I haven't been to them. Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant" On Aug 5, 2014, at 7:03 PM, ndorf@surfbest.net wrote:
Jerry: I went out to a LWSC "Open House" at Lake Washington basin a few years ago and decided that the launch ramp there is just too sketchy (my personal opinion) to launch my m15 there. They do have a hoist, but it is rated at something like 700lbs max.
With that said, it is very doable for the Potter 15 crowd to join in, but TwoCan is too heavy for the hoist and I ain't going anywhere near that ramp. Which leaves only one option: overnight on the boat and motor the 30 miles back the following day.
All-in-all I have decided each year to pass on this one.
Now, maybe in a Sage 15 someday...well, that might just be a whole different animal ;-)
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Neil- I just got back from the Lake Wash club- they have two ramps, and the big one is deep enough for keelboats- a good-looking gal who talked to me said they launch Santana 20s there with no problem. So you have no more excuses. Wind is forecast to be about 8 knots- light for there. Bring your whisker pole. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 7:21 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1
I don't think you can get to another ramp, but I'll find out today.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Backman" <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1
Does one of the other marinas in Sacramento or West Sacramento have a good boat ramp? I saw that there are ramps at Miller Park, and Broderick but I haven't been to them.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Aug 5, 2014, at 7:03 PM, ndorf@surfbest.net wrote:
Jerry: I went out to a LWSC "Open House" at Lake Washington basin a few years ago and decided that the launch ramp there is just too sketchy (my personal opinion) to launch my m15 there. They do have a hoist, but it is rated at something like 700lbs max.
With that said, it is very doable for the Potter 15 crowd to join in, but TwoCan is too heavy for the hoist and I ain't going anywhere near that ramp. Which leaves only one option: overnight on the boat and motor the 30 miles back the following day.
All-in-all I have decided each year to pass on this one.
Now, maybe in a Sage 15 someday...well, that might just be a whole different animal ;-)
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Launching Ramps. I keep a boat at Freeport marina and I use the small ramp at Garcia Bend Park. 8 dollars all day. The River has continued to get lower week after week. I drove the C-Dory, (powered) to the ramp and not too bad with the 4x4 drive engaged. There was a little dry silt at the lower end but slow and steady got it done. Boat and trailer, about 4,000 lbs. To Jerry...I sold my M-15 to a real sailor in the Ventura, CA. He was happy. I was happy for him. Hope he gets lots of use out of old 189. 1981 build by you, Jerry. Thanks for a great little boat. ------Larry Hughston in Sacramento On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 2:10 PM, jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: Neil- I just got back from the Lake Wash club- they have two ramps, and the big one is deep enough for keelboats- a good-looking gal who talked to me said they launch Santana 20s there with no problem. So you have no more excuses. Wind is forecast to be about 8 knots- light for there. Bring your whisker pole. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 7:21 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1
I don't think you can get to another ramp, but I'll find out today.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Backman" <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1
Does one of the other marinas in Sacramento or West Sacramento have a good boat ramp? I saw that there are ramps at Miller Park, and Broderick but I haven't been to them.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Aug 5, 2014, at 7:03 PM, ndorf@surfbest.net wrote:
Jerry: I went out to a LWSC "Open House" at Lake Washington basin a few years ago and decided that the launch ramp there is just too sketchy (my personal opinion) to launch my m15 there. They do have a hoist, but it is rated at something like 700lbs max.
With that said, it is very doable for the Potter 15 crowd to join in, but TwoCan is too heavy for the hoist and I ain't going anywhere near that ramp. Which leaves only one option: overnight on the boat and motor the 30 miles back the following day.
All-in-all I have decided each year to pass on this one.
Now, maybe in a Sage 15 someday...well, that might just be a whole different animal ;-)
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Thank you Larry- I think I've got the problem controlled. (We'll see) jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry hughston" <lahughston@att.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 6:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1 Launching Ramps. I keep a boat at Freeport marina and I use the small ramp at Garcia Bend Park. 8 dollars all day. The River has continued to get lower week after week. I drove the C-Dory, (powered) to the ramp and not too bad with the 4x4 drive engaged. There was a little dry silt at the lower end but slow and steady got it done. Boat and trailer, about 4,000 lbs. To Jerry...I sold my M-15 to a real sailor in the Ventura, CA. He was happy. I was happy for him. Hope he gets lots of use out of old 189. 1981 build by you, Jerry. Thanks for a great little boat. ------Larry Hughston in Sacramento On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 2:10 PM, jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: Neil- I just got back from the Lake Wash club- they have two ramps, and the big one is deep enough for keelboats- a good-looking gal who talked to me said they launch Santana 20s there with no problem. So you have no more excuses. Wind is forecast to be about 8 knots- light for there. Bring your whisker pole. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 7:21 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1
I don't think you can get to another ramp, but I'll find out today.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Backman" <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:22 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1
Does one of the other marinas in Sacramento or West Sacramento have a good boat ramp? I saw that there are ramps at Miller Park, and Broderick but I haven't been to them.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Aug 5, 2014, at 7:03 PM, ndorf@surfbest.net wrote:
Jerry: I went out to a LWSC "Open House" at Lake Washington basin a few years ago and decided that the launch ramp there is just too sketchy (my personal opinion) to launch my m15 there. They do have a hoist, but it is rated at something like 700lbs max.
With that said, it is very doable for the Potter 15 crowd to join in, but TwoCan is too heavy for the hoist and I ain't going anywhere near that ramp. Which leaves only one option: overnight on the boat and motor the 30 miles back the following day.
All-in-all I have decided each year to pass on this one.
Now, maybe in a Sage 15 someday...well, that might just be a whole different animal ;-)
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