Also, I think Howard Audsley was discussing sculling oar, or he made one for his M-17? While messin' about with my rudder assembly over the transom, I know it was'nt bright!, I dropped one of the retaining pin clips for the ss rod. Could someone tell me where to find 2, a replacement and a spare? This happened 2 months ago or so. Lastly, I've also enjoyed Tod's and the other's silly prose postings of late, sure does lighten up the mood for me :) Regards, Eugene Whoa Nellie! ( now on the registry!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com