Hello all, Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power). Keith K Ginger Snap Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
No reason not to. Mind the weight though. I had a Tohatsu 6 on mine for the reverse and the alternator but it did not float on her lines at all so I sold it and ended up with a 3.5 without reverse or alternator, of course but she is a lot happier now. On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 11:26 AM Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power).
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The reason people don't like the cutout is: can't use motor to steer (easily), and many outboards do not fit. IMO use the rudder to steer ... just like boats with inboards do. A Suzuki 4/6 HP long (20") will fit. Do a www-search for 'Larry Yale Montgomery 17 Corn Dog's and you will see pictures of his boat using a Suzuki in the cutout. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:26 AM Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power).
Keith K Ginger Snap
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Keith, I agree with Dave. I have an M-15 which I use a 3.5 HP Mercury. It’s a bit of overkill but I bought it for the reverse. It’s so much easier to adjust the motor slightly so it doesn’t push the boat off center. Basically, I adjust the motor so the boat is heading in a straight line without using the rudder. Then when I steer with the rudder, I’m not constantly fighting the boats need to pull left/right due to the motor being off center. The other advantage is not damaging the rudder from the prop. My rudder came pre-damaged for this very reason by the PO I hope this helps. ~Skip M-15 #201 1982 Wild Guppy M-5’8”. #28. 1972 Yet to be named.
On Jun 27, 2021, at 12:55 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason people don't like the cutout is: can't use motor to steer (easily), and many outboards do not fit.
IMO use the rudder to steer ... just like boats with inboards do.
A Suzuki 4/6 HP long (20") will fit. Do a www-search for 'Larry Yale Montgomery 17 Corn Dog's and you will see pictures of his boat using a Suzuki in the cutout.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:26 AM Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power).
Keith K Ginger Snap
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I didn't try to use the motor to steer. My problem was that the motor head intruded in to the cockpit so far when tilted up that it blocked the tiller from swinging all the way over. Not a problem in normal sailing but a pain when approaching my mooring. Henry On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:55 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason people don't like the cutout is: can't use motor to steer (easily), and many outboards do not fit.
IMO use the rudder to steer ... just like boats with inboards do.
A Suzuki 4/6 HP long (20") will fit. Do a www-search for 'Larry Yale Montgomery 17 Corn Dog's and you will see pictures of his boat using a Suzuki in the cutout.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:26 AM Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power).
Keith K Ginger Snap
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Hi, I've been trying to get on the Montgomery boats site but can't find it. Can you help? Thanks John Edwards -----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2021 3:14 pm Subject: M_Boats: Re: Motor mount I didn't try to use the motor to steer. My problem was that the motor head intruded in to the cockpit so far when tilted up that it blocked the tiller from swinging all the way over. Not a problem in normal sailing but a pain when approaching my mooring. Henry On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:55 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason people don't like the cutout is: can't use motor to steer (easily), and many outboards do not fit.
IMO use the rudder to steer ... just like boats with inboards do.
A Suzuki 4/6 HP long (20") will fit. Do a www-search for 'Larry Yale Montgomery 17 Corn Dog's and you will see pictures of his boat using a Suzuki in the cutout.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:26 AM Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power).
Keith K Ginger Snap
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Which site are you referring to John? msogphotosite.com MSOG.org Facebook page Other :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 6:43 PM Saltm17 via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi, I've been trying to get on the Montgomery boats site but can't find it. Can you help? Thanks John Edwards
Hi John Per our conversation a few days ago I have retired and my site is inactive. Be well buddy Bob Eeg Sent from my iPad
On Jun 27, 2021, at 6:43 PM, Saltm17 via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi, I've been trying to get on the Montgomery boats site but can't find it. Can you help? Thanks John Edwards
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2021 3:14 pm Subject: M_Boats: Re: Motor mount
I didn't try to use the motor to steer. My problem was that the motor head intruded in to the cockpit so far when tilted up that it blocked the tiller from swinging all the way over. Not a problem in normal sailing but a pain when approaching my mooring.
Henry
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:55 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason people don't like the cutout is: can't use motor to steer (easily), and many outboards do not fit.
IMO use the rudder to steer ... just like boats with inboards do.
A Suzuki 4/6 HP long (20") will fit. Do a www-search for 'Larry Yale Montgomery 17 Corn Dog's and you will see pictures of his boat using a Suzuki in the cutout.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:26 AM Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power).
Keith K Ginger Snap
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I never seen any mention of Honda motors during these discussions but for me they are the only outboard to own. I’ve had a 4 hp with reverse, can’t swivel as mounted, on my Drascombe Lugger for 10 years. Still like new. When I bought my M17 the first thing I did was put the new Honda 4 hp on it. It has an internal tank and can also be run with an external tank as I run mine. Bought a 3 gal tank from West Marine that fits perfect in rear locker. My M17 is a 2005. The specs you can look up. Wasn’t much difference in price from a Honda 2.5 hp but I think the 4 hp far superior. Weight could be a consideration as it is 60 lbs. I think a 2.5 hp perfect if i had a M15. If wondering the durability read the book where a guy used one on a Three year trip from US to Amazon and back on a Sea Pearl. Having had a number of different outboards I would consider only a Honda. Worth the money. Charlie Adams Sent from my iPad
On Jun 28, 2021, at 12:33 AM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi John Per our conversation a few days ago I have retired and my site is inactive. Be well buddy
Bob Eeg
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 27, 2021, at 6:43 PM, Saltm17 via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi, I've been trying to get on the Montgomery boats site but can't find it. Can you help? Thanks John Edwards
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2021 3:14 pm Subject: M_Boats: Re: Motor mount
I didn't try to use the motor to steer. My problem was that the motor head intruded in to the cockpit so far when tilted up that it blocked the tiller from swinging all the way over. Not a problem in normal sailing but a pain when approaching my mooring.
Henry
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:55 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
The reason people don't like the cutout is: can't use motor to steer (easily), and many outboards do not fit.
IMO use the rudder to steer ... just like boats with inboards do.
A Suzuki 4/6 HP long (20") will fit. Do a www-search for 'Larry Yale Montgomery 17 Corn Dog's and you will see pictures of his boat using a Suzuki in the cutout.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 9:26 AM Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power).
Keith K Ginger Snap
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I have a 5HP Tohatsu 4 cycle that I use on my 77 M17 in the notch. With this configuration, you can't use the motor to steer as the motor barely fits in the notch. I picked the 5HP because that was the smallest I could get with a reverse gear. 5HP is way overkill for the M17. I would rather have a 2HP hanging on an external motor mount if you could also spin the motor around in order to get a reverse. The 5HP is getting a little heavy for me. Regards, Rob FIN On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 12:26 PM Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power).
Keith K Ginger Snap
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I also have an older M17 with the motor notch. And, a nice stainless adjustable motor mount, which came with the boat, but I would have had to buy one if it didn't. Motors big enough to have reverse are overkill (HP and weight) for my M17, so I have to be able to swivel the motor 180 for reverse. As already posted by several, can't do that if it mounts in the notch. I have the 2.3 HP Honda. I did try mounting it in the notch to verify it can't swivel...it can't. Comes close, but no dice, no cigar, none of those vices. I steer with the tiller in un-constricted waters, but being able to steer some with the motor comes in handy for docking/mooring in close quarters. And necessary for motors with no reverse. cheers, John On 6/27/21 11:46 AM, Rob Bultman wrote:
I have a 5HP Tohatsu 4 cycle that I use on my 77 M17 in the notch. With this configuration, you can't use the motor to steer as the motor barely fits in the notch. I picked the 5HP because that was the smallest I could get with a reverse gear. 5HP is way overkill for the M17. I would rather have a 2HP hanging on an external motor mount if you could also spin the motor around in order to get a reverse. The 5HP is getting a little heavy for me.
Regards, Rob FIN
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 12:26 PM Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote:
Hello all,
Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power).
Keith K Ginger Snap
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Keith,With the long shaft outboard motor in the cut out, the prop wasn't low enough in the water for the cooling intake unless at least one person was in the boat. When sailing alone, I couldn't start the engine and step onto the dock. Now with a motor mount I can let the engine warm up while I deal with dock lines and gear.Fair Winds,Mike Faiand On Suay, June 27, 2021, 09:27:03 AM PDT, Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote Hello all, Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power). cKeith K Ginger Snap Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
Ditto that, forgot to mention in my previous post. It's nice to be able to adjust motor height a bit to match conditions and boat loading if/as necessary. For me it's always one of two 'down' positions that are only a few inches different, but a few inches can make all the difference sometimes. for example bouncing in chop I can set it a bit deeper so it doesn't cavitate when the stern bounces up. I think Jerry has said that the notch was partly designed around a particular motor of that era, which was a 2-cycle, so smaller lighter power head, maybe could be turned while in the notch, and maybe it had reverse too? Anyhow the notch is not well suited to more recent 4-cycle motors with larger power heads...you'd have to enlarge the notch, which is not a minor DIY project. cheers, John On 6/27/21 2:01 PM, Michael Witkin via montgomery_boats wrote:
Keith,With the long shaft outboard motor in the cut out, the prop wasn't low enough in the water for the cooling intake unless at least one person was in the boat. When sailing alone, I couldn't start the engine and step onto the dock. Now with a motor mount I can let the engine warm up while I deal with dock lines and gear.Fair Winds,Mike Faiand On Suay, June 27, 2021, 09:27:03 AM PDT, Cap Keith <orionkeith@msn.com> wrote
Hello all,
Just a quick question… I own a M17, 1980 model. Purchased with an attached, adjustable motor mount thru-bolted where the cut out for an outboard. Question: Why not use the existing, cut-out for say, a 4-5hp motor? (Wanting to re-power). cKeith K Ginger Snap
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Also forgot to mention - with the motor on a mount behind the notch, you can put a piece of foam insulation board in the notch, and it makes a significant reduction in motor noise. I'll post a picture when I get my boat back in action later this summer. I tried this out last year and it really helps cut motor noise. I started by just propping a throw cushion up where the notch is and that helped a bit. So I took some scrap XPS foam board (extruded polystyrene - the blue or pink stuff used by builders to insulate foundations etc.), 2" thick, and shaped it to fit in the notch and extend a bit above it. 2.5" would be even better for making a sturdier flange on both sides of the notch, but I happened to have some 2" at the time. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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