Hi George... How cool, someone out there knows what I mean when I say the street is steep. Well actually, THE STREET IS STEEP! There, that's better. Imagine backing a 55,000 pound load up that hill at maybe 2 mph. BTW, the reason I had to back up is, If I drove up head first the concrete would run out of the drum onto the street. That's not good to do that. Thanks for the comment George. Bill SF Bay M-17 #496 "Tiperary"