George, Look for stainless toggles and studs with bronze bodies (usually chrome plated). Jerry M. can supply these I believe. The stainless on the bronze doesn't gall when tensioned as the 'stainless on stainless' will. GO In a message dated 7/23/2013 8:14:27 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, griemmolo2@gmail.com writes: Thanks for all the feedback. I will be looking at open turnbuckles again. I did start out with them but when one broke during mast raising (because it was not SS) I could only purchase SS in closed body. In the meantime I am using lock nuts and tape with inspection prior to and after sailing. Keith let me know if this went thru with only one address George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of GILASAILR@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:35 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure +1 on open body turnbuckles. Lock nuts on closed body t-buckles are not a good solution. GO In a message dated 7/23/2013 4:24:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, chbenneck@sbcglobal.net writes: On 23-Jul-13 2:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: Hi George, Replace your closed body turnbuckles with open body turn buckles. Then you can see where the threads are, and they should have holes at the ends so that you can insert cotter pins and know that they are secure. It's a small price to pay for safety and security. Connie
Larry
I have had turnbuckles that were made that way but they were open body the ones I have now are closed body and you can not get to threads internal to the body. I guess one could drill the hole at the other end of the threads. Tape seems to be doing the trick right now.
George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry@DGS Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:26 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
I have seen a few owners drill a very small hole in the thread ends of the turnbuckle. A small ss cotter pin is then inserted into the drilled holes. If the cotter pin is large enough the turnbuckle will not back out since it can't turn. This all assumes that you do not make frequent adjustments on the stays. Just my $.02 worth.....Larry and "Old 189" M-15 in Sacramento, Ca
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of George Iemmolo Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:53 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
OUCH IS RIGHT
I can relate had the port turnbuckle come loose and mast came down with
boat
in slip on 2nd day in water:-( Mast was not damaged so was able to raise mast and have now taped turnbuckles to prevent nuts backing out. Now check every time prior to and after sailing:-)
George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cox Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26 PM To: Ronald McNeil; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
Roger that Ron, not a fun day.
Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. Not a fun day.
Regards, Ron McNeil M17 675
________________________________ From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure
Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go?
Tony Cox M-17 #294
Go These are the type I had when I had one break in the body during a mast raising incident. That led to my getting the SS closed body type I have now. Keith did this one go thru with only one address? George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of GILASAILR@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:21 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure George, Look for stainless toggles and studs with bronze bodies (usually chrome plated). Jerry M. can supply these I believe. The stainless on the bronze doesn't gall when tensioned as the 'stainless on stainless' will. GO In a message dated 7/23/2013 8:14:27 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, griemmolo2@gmail.com writes: Thanks for all the feedback. I will be looking at open turnbuckles again. I did start out with them but when one broke during mast raising (because it was not SS) I could only purchase SS in closed body. In the meantime I am using lock nuts and tape with inspection prior to and after sailing. Keith let me know if this went thru with only one address George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of GILASAILR@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:35 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure +1 on open body turnbuckles. Lock nuts on closed body t-buckles are not a good solution. GO In a message dated 7/23/2013 4:24:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, chbenneck@sbcglobal.net writes: On 23-Jul-13 2:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote: Hi George, Replace your closed body turnbuckles with open body turn buckles. Then you can see where the threads are, and they should have holes at the ends so that you can insert cotter pins and know that they are secure. It's a small price to pay for safety and security. Connie
Larry
I have had turnbuckles that were made that way but they were open body the ones I have now are closed body and you can not get to threads internal to the body. I guess one could drill the hole at the other end of the threads. Tape seems to be doing the trick right now.
George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry@DGS Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:26 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
I have seen a few owners drill a very small hole in the thread ends of the turnbuckle. A small ss cotter pin is then inserted into the drilled holes. If the cotter pin is large enough the turnbuckle will not back out since it can't turn. This all assumes that you do not make frequent adjustments on the stays. Just my $.02 worth.....Larry and "Old 189" M-15 in Sacramento, Ca
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of George Iemmolo Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:53 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
OUCH IS RIGHT
I can relate had the port turnbuckle come loose and mast came down with
boat
in slip on 2nd day in water:-( Mast was not damaged so was able to raise mast and have now taped turnbuckles to prevent nuts backing out. Now check every time prior to and after sailing:-)
George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cox Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26 PM To: Ronald McNeil; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
Roger that Ron, not a fun day.
Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. Not a fun day.
Regards, Ron McNeil M17 675
________________________________ From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure
Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go?
Tony Cox M-17 #294
Yes it did. Thanks for looking into the problem. Keith Diehl On 7/24/2013 6:50 AM, George Iemmolo wrote:
Go
These are the type I had when I had one break in the body during a mast raising incident. That led to my getting the SS closed body type I have now.
Keith did this one go thru with only one address?
George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of GILASAILR@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:21 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
George,
Look for stainless toggles and studs with bronze bodies (usually chrome plated). Jerry M. can supply these I believe. The stainless on the bronze doesn't gall when tensioned as the 'stainless on stainless' will.
GO
In a message dated 7/23/2013 8:14:27 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, griemmolo2@gmail.com writes:
Thanks for all the feedback.
I will be looking at open turnbuckles again. I did start out with them but when one broke during mast raising (because it was not SS) I could only purchase SS in closed body. In the meantime I am using lock nuts and tape with inspection prior to and after sailing.
Keith let me know if this went thru with only one address
George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of GILASAILR@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:35 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
+1 on open body turnbuckles. Lock nuts on closed body t-buckles are not a good solution.
GO
In a message dated 7/23/2013 4:24:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, chbenneck@sbcglobal.net writes:
On 23-Jul-13 2:27 PM, George Iemmolo wrote:
Hi George,
Replace your closed body turnbuckles with open body turn buckles. Then you can see where the threads are, and they should have holes at the ends so that you can insert cotter pins and know that they are secure.
It's a small price to pay for safety and security.
Connie
Larry
I have had turnbuckles that were made that way but they were open body the ones I have now are closed body and you can not get to threads internal to the body. I guess one could drill the hole at the other end of the threads. Tape seems to be doing the trick right now.
George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails'
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry@DGS Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:26 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
I have seen a few owners drill a very small hole in the thread ends of the turnbuckle. A small ss cotter pin is then inserted into the drilled holes. If the cotter pin is large enough the turnbuckle will not back out since it can't turn. This all assumes that you do not make frequent adjustments on the stays. Just my $.02 worth.....Larry and "Old 189" M-15 in Sacramento, Ca
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of George Iemmolo Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:53 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
OUCH IS RIGHT
I can relate had the port turnbuckle come loose and mast came down with
boat
in slip on 2nd day in water:-( Mast was not damaged so was able to raise mast and have now taped turnbuckles to prevent nuts backing out. Now check every time prior to and after sailing:-)
George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cox Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26 PM To: Ronald McNeil; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
Roger that Ron, not a fun day.
Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. Not a fun day.
Regards, Ron McNeil M17 675
________________________________ From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure
Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go?
Tony Cox M-17 #294
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