Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks! Couple of updates... Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun. Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around. Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket? Jazz
Standard, and best, M17 genoa is a 150. :: Dave Scobie On May 26, 2016 12:42 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
On 5/26/2016 1:41 PM, Jazzy wrote: Hi Jazzy, Great idea. We sailors need all the help we can get. The motorboat people breed like guinea pigs and are taking over everything. I pulled a similar stunt on my children many years ago. They were very competent sailors, but had never taken our 29-footer out by themselves. We were at Block Island. It was Sunday afternoon. I went down into the cabin, wrote a note and handed it up to them in the cockpit. I wrote something like, "The Captain is in need of emergency medical help. He can't speak. He's comfortable but get him back to Noank, CT ASAP". Then I turned on the tape player with some nice Croation folk music, and started reading a book. They had to solo; and did so in a very professional manner. They got me back to our marina in Noank; moored the boat; and then told me they had arrived. Years later our daughter was on a 50 foot sail boat in the San Francisco Bay area, and everyone on board was a total neophyte. She offered to take over the helm and do the sailing to the surprise of the owner. He let her do the sailing , and she had a ball. Ciao, Connie
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
Genoa size is luff perpendicular (LP) expressed a percentage of the J measurement. LP is the length of a line drawn from the clew to the forestay intersecting the forestay at a 90 degree angle. The J measurement is the length of a line from the forestay pin back to the mast intersecting the mast at a 90 degree angle. On an M17 it is an imaginary line because the mast doesn't actually extend down that far down. There is some conflicting info out there but I believe the J measurement on an M17 is approximately 6 1/2'. Maybe someone else can chime in with the exact number. Measure your LP and compare it to that to determine what you have. For example, an LP of 10' corresponds roughly to a 150 genoa. If your genoa is an older hank-on, it is probably a 150. If it is on a roller-furler, it might be a little smaller. I run a 135, which is a popular size for a roller furling genoa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:41:37 PM Subject: M_Boats: Genoa size... Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks! Couple of updates... Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun. Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around. Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket? Jazz
I have seen two different figures published for the "J" measurement of the M17: 6.58 ft and 7.16 ft. I'm guessing that the longer one is for the original (and newest?) boats that have the forestay pinned at the tip of the bow and the shorter is for the newer style boats that have the forestay pinned back from the bow about 6". I think I ordered sails using the shorter "J" measurement and shortchanged myself! My 150 is actually 137 and my 135 is closer to 125! Henry On Thursday, May 26, 2016, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
Genoa size is luff perpendicular (LP) expressed a percentage of the J measurement. LP is the length of a line drawn from the clew to the forestay intersecting the forestay at a 90 degree angle. The J measurement is the length of a line from the forestay pin back to the mast intersecting the mast at a 90 degree angle. On an M17 it is an imaginary line because the mast doesn't actually extend down that far down. There is some conflicting info out there but I believe the J measurement on an M17 is approximately 6 1/2'. Maybe someone else can chime in with the exact number. Measure your LP and compare it to that to determine what you have. For example, an LP of 10' corresponds roughly to a 150 genoa.
If your genoa is an older hank-on, it is probably a 150. If it is on a roller-furler, it might be a little smaller. I run a 135, which is a popular size for a roller furling genoa.
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Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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On May 26, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. […]
I just got back from Lake Pleasant, also introducing a newcomer to sailing. Probably a little different from your experience, though. https://www.dropbox.com/s/w87okj00ho7k0oz/P5261400.jpg?dl=0
Jazz, Try the slip for a couple of months. You will be surprised how your boat just seems to insinuate itself deeper into your life. Now you don't have to go sailing every day, you can actually just go down and sit on it and admire the scenery, or read or just isolate for a while. You will sail about 5 times as much with it in the water. I learned that from experience. Besides, waking up in the morning aboard and watching the sun come up while on the water is an event to be repeated as often as possible. And you can go down when it is raining and see how comfortable being below is. Then brainstorm on how you can make it more comfortable. You won't regret the money spent on the slip. Fair winds, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
That is a good deal on a slip...where is that at, specifically, in your area? I'm familiar with Puget sound in general. Thanks, John S. ...
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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Better deal than I have found in the Olympia area by about $ 30 a month. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 4:06 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Slip options That is a good deal on a slip...where is that at, specifically, in your area? I'm familiar with Puget sound in general. Thanks, John S. ...
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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On 5/27/2016 5:58 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Tom, Well said. Sailing is one thing, and most enjoyable, with sparkling water, a good breeze, and a great ship making a smooth wake in the direction of your destination,but,.... Some of our most memorable weekends as a family, have been spent on a mooring or at anchor, cooped up in the cabin, with the rain pounding on the cabin top. The small space of the main cabin makes you all sit together. The children can talk about school or problems with friends, or discuss plans for their future. There are no interruptions; no TV; no cell phones (in our day); and nobody can run off to hide in another room. To fill the time, things like macrame were attempted and mastered, or how about learning to make a Turk's head knot for the tiller; while the Admirable made scherenschnitt designs, just using her imagination; a pair of scissors, and a piece of black paper (it left all sorts of paper bits lying on the floor but, ...so what?). Between these activities, good food was prepared in the galley; I also showed the children how to navigate and plot a course; how to use the radio properly; or we read an interesting book aloud. Great rainy days were spent together, "sailing", though we never went anywhere. Connie
Jazz, Try the slip for a couple of months. You will be surprised how your boat just seems to insinuate itself deeper into your life. Now you don't have to go sailing every day, you can actually just go down and sit on it and admire the scenery, or read or just isolate for a while. You will sail about 5 times as much with it in the water. I learned that from experience. Besides, waking up in the morning aboard and watching the sun come up while on the water is an event to be repeated as often as possible. And you can go down when it is raining and see how comfortable being below is. Then brainstorm on how you can make it more comfortable. You won't regret the money spent on the slip. Fair winds, Tom B
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On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
After two years of launching my boat off the trailer ramp, I took the plunge and got a slip last season. I completely agree with with Tom... Try it you will be surprised how much extra use you get on the boat. I also really appreciate just easing on down to the dock on occasion just to relax close to the water and watch the sunset.. On May 27, 2016 3:59 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz, Try the slip for a couple of months. You will be surprised how your boat just seems to insinuate itself deeper into your life. Now you don't have to go sailing every day, you can actually just go down and sit on it and admire the scenery, or read or just isolate for a while. You will sail about 5 times as much with it in the water. I learned that from experience. Besides, waking up in the morning aboard and watching the sun come up while on the water is an event to be repeated as often as possible. And you can go down when it is raining and see how comfortable being below is. Then brainstorm on how you can make it more comfortable. You won't regret the money spent on the slip. Fair winds, Tom B
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On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, was just pondering my tired sails. How does one know what size Genoa is installed? Thanks!
Couple of updates...
Stoked for Mem Day...trailering to Pleasant Harbor Marina where we have a slot for a night, full amenities and a motor couple coming to join the festivities. Should be good pirate fun.
Last week I took my friends son out. He's 18 and had never been in a sailboat, we spent a few hours tooling around the harbor, I worked him hard on terminology, parking, stopping at random buoys, starting and stopping the motor, approaching objects slowly... boy was he surprised when I hopped off and told him to take a solo lap at the end of the day! Hahaha. Reminded me of flight instructor days. His dad told me afterward he couldn't stop talking about it. Now dad wants to go. Maybe got us two new sailors... do share your boats and teach some youngsters! What's a dock ding or two compared to passing the torch?? Hahaha. A bonus was that I got to see my boat cruising around. They are quite graceful and salty looking when off their trailer aren't they ? ;) Much sexier than the Harbor 20 that was buzzing around.
Found a slip for 110 a month 8 minutes from home...sooo tempted. Comments? Is the bottom going to hell in a hand basket?
Jazz
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Dave Scobie -
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Henry Rodriguez -
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Thomas Buzzi