Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like. me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
It just came that way...I'm not big on drinking from it, but maybe handwash etc. How do you know it's safe? Scary... Jazz On Feb 22, 2016 3:15 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
And what do you have where my sink is? Jazz On Feb 22, 2016 3:35 PM, jazzydaze@gmail.com wrote:
It just came that way...I'm not big on drinking from it, but maybe handwash etc. How do you know it's safe? Scary...
Jazz On Feb 22, 2016 3:15 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
How do you know it's safe?
i'd pull the tank. remove the water pump for the sink. and call it good. you can use tank cleaners (stuff from for RVs that clean, sanitize and then 'freshen' the tank). ... but i don't trust them.
And what do you have where my sink is?
same sink as yours. good for holding cell phones, winch handles misc. blocks and other small boat items. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: And what do you have where my sink is? Jazz On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
It just came that way...I'm not big on drinking from it, but maybe handwash etc. How do you know it's safe? Scary...
Jazz On Feb 22, 2016 3:15 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
Dump a half cup of bleach in it and don't drink it. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
It just came that way...I'm not big on drinking from it, but maybe handwash etc. How do you know it's safe? Scary...
Jazz On Feb 22, 2016 3:15 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
Fixed water tanks in boats add up to a lot of extra maintenance and one is never quite certain that after a while all he is drinking IS water. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed the holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted to move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it out from under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was put in place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction without cutting it apart. As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 gallon capacity but the waste holding tank only 5. On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
-- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir
On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed the hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee like the later M17s. -----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed the holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted to move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it out from under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was put in place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction without cutting it apart. As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 gallon capacity but the waste holding tank only 5. On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
-- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir
I am thinking similarly re the port/sink side of my M17. Anyone here done a major remodel (remove the kitchen :-) on their older port-galley M17 and have pictures to show? For me at 6' 3" it's an opportunity to make a place to sit that could be a few inches lower than the starboard side and thus actually sit fully upright. Then the rest of that side would be open access for stowage and clever retrofits like foldable/stowable galley shelf, etc.. cheers, John S. On 02/22/2016 05:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley wrote:
On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed the hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee like the later M17s.
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank
My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed the holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted to move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it out from under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was put in place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction without cutting it apart.
As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 gallon capacity but the waste holding tank only 5.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Sounds like you have a good idea, John. Just make sure you wire in a good reading light for where you stretch out on your new, low seating. Why not include a backrest so you can configure it like a lawn chair with the shoulder end "stealing a bit of v-berth area if you need more leg room. Somewhere in the archives a gentleman has managed to fit a whole kitchen with service for two in a small box. Very ingenius. Good luck. Tom B This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:58 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I am thinking similarly re the port/sink side of my M17.
Anyone here done a major remodel (remove the kitchen :-) on their older port-galley M17 and have pictures to show?
For me at 6' 3" it's an opportunity to make a place to sit that could be a few inches lower than the starboard side and thus actually sit fully upright. Then the rest of that side would be open access for stowage and clever retrofits like foldable/stowable galley shelf, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 02/22/2016 05:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley wrote:
On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed the hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee like the later M17s.
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank
My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed the holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted to move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it out from under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was put in place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction without cutting it apart.
As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 gallon capacity but the waste holding tank only 5.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water
tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 2/23/2016 2:35 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Hi Tom, I'm the gentleman (thanks for the honor) with the tool box galley, and can supply all the details of what I did and how I did it. Photos available too of the box and its contents. It all fits into a 19 inch toolbox and contains; pots / pans / salad bowl / plates / nesting cups / silverware / corkscrew / kitchen knives / cutting board / ...everything you need for elegant living on an M15. Stove was a single burner propane restaurant stove for table-side use. It too, stowed easily on our M15. Connie Connie
Sounds like you have a good idea, John. Just make sure you wire in a good reading light for where you stretch out on your new, low seating. Why not include a backrest so you can configure it like a lawn chair with the shoulder end "stealing a bit of v-berth area if you need more leg room. Somewhere in the archives a gentleman has managed to fit a whole kitchen with service for two in a small box. Very ingenius. Good luck. Tom B
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:58 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I am thinking similarly re the port/sink side of my M17.
Anyone here done a major remodel (remove the kitchen :-) on their older port-galley M17 and have pictures to show?
For me at 6' 3" it's an opportunity to make a place to sit that could be a few inches lower than the starboard side and thus actually sit fully upright. Then the rest of that side would be open access for stowage and clever retrofits like foldable/stowable galley shelf, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 02/22/2016 05:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley wrote:
On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed the hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee like the later M17s.
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank
My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed the holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted to move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it out from under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was put in place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction without cutting it apart.
As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 gallon capacity but the waste holding tank only 5.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water
tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I wanna see! Sounds like good wife investment. Jazz On Feb 23, 2016 1:32 PM, "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/23/2016 2:35 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi Tom,
I'm the gentleman (thanks for the honor) with the tool box galley, and can supply all the details of what I did and how I did it.
Photos available too of the box and its contents.
It all fits into a 19 inch toolbox and contains; pots / pans / salad bowl / plates / nesting cups / silverware / corkscrew / kitchen knives / cutting board / ...everything you need for elegant living on an M15.
Stove was a single burner propane restaurant stove for table-side use. It too, stowed easily on our M15.
Connie
Connie
Sounds like you have a good idea, John. Just make sure you wire in a good reading light for where you stretch out on your new, low seating. Why not include a backrest so you can configure it like a lawn chair with the shoulder end "stealing a bit of v-berth area if you need more leg room. Somewhere in the archives a gentleman has managed to fit a whole kitchen with service for two in a small box. Very ingenius. Good luck. Tom B
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:58 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I am thinking similarly re the port/sink side of my M17.
Anyone here done a major remodel (remove the kitchen :-) on their older port-galley M17 and have pictures to show?
For me at 6' 3" it's an opportunity to make a place to sit that could be a few inches lower than the starboard side and thus actually sit fully upright. Then the rest of that side would be open access for stowage and clever retrofits like foldable/stowable galley shelf, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 02/22/2016 05:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley wrote:
On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The
water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed the hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee like the later M17s.
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank
My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed the holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted to move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it out from under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was put in place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction without cutting it apart.
As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 gallon capacity but the waste holding tank only 5.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water
tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 2/23/2016 3:31 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 2/23/2016 2:35 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi, I haven't forgotten you. My problem is I have to find the photos of the tool box galley before I can send them to you. Basically it is a _*19 inch tool box*_ - without drawers or compartments - the simplest you can find. ( Thought: maybe a tool box with compartments in the top lid might be handy for things like salt / pepper / sugar / dish detergent, though you then loose interior lid volume) I cut a birch plywood cutting board ( 1/4" thick) that fit inside the lip of he bottom of the tool box. I did the same with a piece of clear plastic for the top of the tool box. This is so that I can see what was stored in the top lid ( knives; and various other tools) The bottom of the tool box contained: a S/S salad bowl / plastic soup bowls / pot and frying pan / small Corningware teakettle / square plastic plates / nesting coffee cups from a British Airway flight from Oslo to Berlin; silverware (in a heavy plastic pouch for easy retrieval); large spoon; corkscrew; salt / pepper shakers / sugar container / small dish detergent bottle/ wine glasses. Under the plastic cover in the lid I stored a kitchen knife / paring knife / all held in place with wood blocks and bungee cord. I also made a wood block to fit the tool box handle so that when the galley was open, the top lid rested on the wood block and remained horizontal. Our stove was a square restaurant table-side cooker with a propane bottle. When you turned off the stove the bottle was disconnected from the stove. These are available at restaurant supply houses and cost about $25.- Everything else in the tool box galley came from GOODWILL stores / the Salvation Army store / or what I scrounged at Tag Sales. It becomes a 3D puzzle to make everything fit, but is an enjoyable game when you have a very practical end product that stows easily in an M15. What I listed were "our" galley contents. With these items we were able to make breakfast / lunch/ or dinner, using the filler piece in the cabin as the work surface at the aft end of the cockpit. Our BIMINI provided sun / rain protection for cooking and dining. I also built a small table that filled the companionway; with legs that fit over the lower hatch board to hold it in place; and that folded flat for storage. Great for cocktail hour in a secluded cove with the anchor down. Also great for longer car trips where we would stop at an Interstate rest stop; take out the tool-box galley; put our table cloth over the picnic table and then dine. It was also useful in hotel / motel rooms where you could make your own breakfast. Yours will probably vary depending on how much cooking you plan to do on board / and what your food preferences might be Photos follow. Connie
Hi Tom,
I'm the gentleman (thanks for the honor) with the tool box galley, and can supply all the details of what I did and how I did it.
Photos available too of the box and its contents.
It all fits into a 19 inch toolbox and contains; pots / pans / salad bowl / plates / nesting cups / silverware / corkscrew / kitchen knives / cutting board / ...everything you need for elegant living on an M15.
Stove was a single burner propane restaurant stove for table-side use. It too, stowed easily on our M15.
Connie
Connie
Sounds like you have a good idea, John. Just make sure you wire in a good reading light for where you stretch out on your new, low seating. Why not include a backrest so you can configure it like a lawn chair with the shoulder end "stealing a bit of v-berth area if you need more leg room. Somewhere in the archives a gentleman has managed to fit a whole kitchen with service for two in a small box. Very ingenius. Good luck. Tom B
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:58 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I am thinking similarly re the port/sink side of my M17.
Anyone here done a major remodel (remove the kitchen :-) on their older port-galley M17 and have pictures to show?
For me at 6' 3" it's an opportunity to make a place to sit that could be a few inches lower than the starboard side and thus actually sit fully upright. Then the rest of that side would be open access for stowage and clever retrofits like foldable/stowable galley shelf, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 02/22/2016 05:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley wrote:
On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed the hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee like the later M17s.
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank
My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed the holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted to move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it out from under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was put in place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction without cutting it apart.
As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 gallon capacity but the waste holding tank only 5.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water
tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi Connie, Your description was quite complete. Thanks. I especially liked the outdoor dining setup in the cockpit. Your email gives me a good start on putting this thing together. Fair winds, Tom B This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/23/2016 3:31 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 2/23/2016 2:35 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi,
I haven't forgotten you. My problem is I have to find the photos of the tool box galley before I can send them to you.
Basically it is a _*19 inch tool box*_ - without drawers or compartments - the simplest you can find. ( Thought: maybe a tool box with compartments in the top lid might be handy for things like salt / pepper / sugar / dish detergent, though you then loose interior lid volume)
I cut a birch plywood cutting board ( 1/4" thick) that fit inside the lip of he bottom of the tool box.
I did the same with a piece of clear plastic for the top of the tool box. This is so that I can see what was stored in the top lid ( knives; and various other tools)
The bottom of the tool box contained: a S/S salad bowl / plastic soup bowls / pot and frying pan / small Corningware teakettle / square plastic plates / nesting coffee cups from a British Airway flight from Oslo to Berlin; silverware (in a heavy plastic pouch for easy retrieval); large spoon; corkscrew; salt / pepper shakers / sugar container / small dish detergent bottle/ wine glasses.
Under the plastic cover in the lid I stored a kitchen knife / paring knife / all held in place with wood blocks and bungee cord.
I also made a wood block to fit the tool box handle so that when the galley was open, the top lid rested on the wood block and remained horizontal.
Our stove was a square restaurant table-side cooker with a propane bottle. When you turned off the stove the bottle was disconnected from the stove. These are available at restaurant supply houses and cost about $25.-
Everything else in the tool box galley came from GOODWILL stores / the Salvation Army store / or what I scrounged at Tag Sales.
It becomes a 3D puzzle to make everything fit, but is an enjoyable game when you have a very practical end product that stows easily in an M15.
What I listed were "our" galley contents. With these items we were able to make breakfast / lunch/ or dinner, using the filler piece in the cabin as the work surface at the aft end of the cockpit. Our BIMINI provided sun / rain protection for cooking and dining.
I also built a small table that filled the companionway; with legs that fit over the lower hatch board to hold it in place; and that folded flat for storage.
Great for cocktail hour in a secluded cove with the anchor down.
Also great for longer car trips where we would stop at an Interstate rest stop; take out the tool-box galley; put our table cloth over the picnic table and then dine. It was also useful in hotel / motel rooms where you could make your own breakfast.
Yours will probably vary depending on how much cooking you plan to do on board / and what your food preferences might be
Photos follow.
Connie
Hi Tom,
I'm the gentleman (thanks for the honor) with the tool box galley, and can supply all the details of what I did and how I did it.
Photos available too of the box and its contents.
It all fits into a 19 inch toolbox and contains; pots / pans / salad bowl / plates / nesting cups / silverware / corkscrew / kitchen knives / cutting board / ...everything you need for elegant living on an M15.
Stove was a single burner propane restaurant stove for table-side use. It too, stowed easily on our M15.
Connie
Connie
Sounds like you have a good idea, John. Just make sure you wire in a good reading light for where you stretch out on your new, low seating. Why not include a backrest so you can configure it like a lawn chair with the shoulder end "stealing a bit of v-berth area if you need more leg room. Somewhere in the archives a gentleman has managed to fit a whole kitchen with service for two in a small box. Very ingenius. Good luck. Tom B
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:58 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I am thinking similarly re the port/sink side of my M17.
Anyone here done a major remodel (remove the kitchen :-) on their older port-galley M17 and have pictures to show?
For me at 6' 3" it's an opportunity to make a place to sit that could be a few inches lower than the starboard side and thus actually sit fully upright. Then the rest of that side would be open access for stowage and clever retrofits like foldable/stowable galley shelf, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 02/22/2016 05:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley wrote:
On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The
water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed the hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee like the later M17s.
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank
My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed the holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted to move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it out from under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was put in place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction without cutting it apart.
As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 gallon capacity but the waste holding tank only 5.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water
tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ... > > Kazz > >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
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On 3/1/2016 1:58 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Tom, The M15 has a filler piece that make the berth a beautiful big sleeping area. I used that as the kitchen surface. My first thought was to put some Formica on the upper surface so that it would be easier to keep clean; but then I decided that if I was a careful galley cook, and kept the surface clean, then why go to the trouble of cutting and fitting a Formica surface? I put it aft in the cockpit; marked where the cockpit walls were located and then added some cleats at that spot so that the filler piece can't slide or move, if a wave from a motorboat hits you. Now that you have a galley working area, you need protection from the sun or the rain to use it under all conditions. That was what my BIMINI did. Connie
Hi Connie, Your description was quite complete. Thanks. I especially liked the outdoor dining setup in the cockpit. Your email gives me a good start on putting this thing together. Fair winds, Tom B
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On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/23/2016 3:31 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 2/23/2016 2:35 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi,
I haven't forgotten you. My problem is I have to find the photos of the tool box galley before I can send them to you.
Basically it is a _*19 inch tool box*_ - without drawers or compartments - the simplest you can find. ( Thought: maybe a tool box with compartments in the top lid might be handy for things like salt / pepper / sugar / dish detergent, though you then loose interior lid volume)
I cut a birch plywood cutting board ( 1/4" thick) that fit inside the lip of he bottom of the tool box.
I did the same with a piece of clear plastic for the top of the tool box. This is so that I can see what was stored in the top lid ( knives; and various other tools)
The bottom of the tool box contained: a S/S salad bowl / plastic soup bowls / pot and frying pan / small Corningware teakettle / square plastic plates / nesting coffee cups from a British Airway flight from Oslo to Berlin; silverware (in a heavy plastic pouch for easy retrieval); large spoon; corkscrew; salt / pepper shakers / sugar container / small dish detergent bottle/ wine glasses.
Under the plastic cover in the lid I stored a kitchen knife / paring knife / all held in place with wood blocks and bungee cord.
I also made a wood block to fit the tool box handle so that when the galley was open, the top lid rested on the wood block and remained horizontal.
Our stove was a square restaurant table-side cooker with a propane bottle. When you turned off the stove the bottle was disconnected from the stove. These are available at restaurant supply houses and cost about $25.-
Everything else in the tool box galley came from GOODWILL stores / the Salvation Army store / or what I scrounged at Tag Sales.
It becomes a 3D puzzle to make everything fit, but is an enjoyable game when you have a very practical end product that stows easily in an M15.
What I listed were "our" galley contents. With these items we were able to make breakfast / lunch/ or dinner, using the filler piece in the cabin as the work surface at the aft end of the cockpit. Our BIMINI provided sun / rain protection for cooking and dining.
I also built a small table that filled the companionway; with legs that fit over the lower hatch board to hold it in place; and that folded flat for storage.
Great for cocktail hour in a secluded cove with the anchor down.
Also great for longer car trips where we would stop at an Interstate rest stop; take out the tool-box galley; put our table cloth over the picnic table and then dine. It was also useful in hotel / motel rooms where you could make your own breakfast.
Yours will probably vary depending on how much cooking you plan to do on board / and what your food preferences might be
Photos follow.
Connie
Hi Tom,
I'm the gentleman (thanks for the honor) with the tool box galley, and can supply all the details of what I did and how I did it.
Photos available too of the box and its contents.
It all fits into a 19 inch toolbox and contains; pots / pans / salad bowl / plates / nesting cups / silverware / corkscrew / kitchen knives / cutting board / ...everything you need for elegant living on an M15.
Stove was a single burner propane restaurant stove for table-side use. It too, stowed easily on our M15.
Connie
Connie
Sounds like you have a good idea, John. Just make sure you wire in a good reading light for where you stretch out on your new, low seating. Why not include a backrest so you can configure it like a lawn chair with the shoulder end "stealing a bit of v-berth area if you need more leg room. Somewhere in the archives a gentleman has managed to fit a whole kitchen with service for two in a small box. Very ingenius. Good luck. Tom B
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:58 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I am thinking similarly re the port/sink side of my M17.
Anyone here done a major remodel (remove the kitchen :-) on their older port-galley M17 and have pictures to show?
For me at 6' 3" it's an opportunity to make a place to sit that could be a few inches lower than the starboard side and thus actually sit fully upright. Then the rest of that side would be open access for stowage and clever retrofits like foldable/stowable galley shelf, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 02/22/2016 05:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley wrote:
On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The
water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed the hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee like the later M17s.
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank
My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed the holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted to move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it out from under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was put in place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction without cutting it apart.
As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 gallon capacity but the waste holding tank only 5.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water
> tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a > shelf > you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression > post). > my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like. > > me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank. > > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: > > Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ... >> Kazz >> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
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Yeah, a bimini is on my list, somewhere near the top. South Texas sun will boil your crawdads. On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/1/2016 1:58 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
The M15 has a filler piece that make the berth a beautiful big sleeping area.
I used that as the kitchen surface. My first thought was to put some Formica on the upper surface so that it would be easier to keep clean; but then I decided that if I was a careful galley cook, and kept the surface clean, then why go to the trouble of cutting and fitting a Formica surface?
I put it aft in the cockpit; marked where the cockpit walls were located and then added some cleats at that spot so that the filler piece can't slide or move, if a wave from a motorboat hits you.
Now that you have a galley working area, you need protection from the sun or the rain to use it under all conditions. That was what my BIMINI did.
Connie
Hi Connie, Your description was quite complete. Thanks. I especially liked the outdoor dining setup in the cockpit. Your email gives me a good start on putting this thing together. Fair winds, Tom B
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On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/23/2016 3:31 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 2/23/2016 2:35 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi,
I haven't forgotten you. My problem is I have to find the photos of the tool box galley before I can send them to you.
Basically it is a _*19 inch tool box*_ - without drawers or compartments - the simplest you can find. ( Thought: maybe a tool box with compartments in the top lid might be handy for things like salt / pepper / sugar / dish detergent, though you then loose interior lid volume)
I cut a birch plywood cutting board ( 1/4" thick) that fit inside the lip of he bottom of the tool box.
I did the same with a piece of clear plastic for the top of the tool box. This is so that I can see what was stored in the top lid ( knives; and various other tools)
The bottom of the tool box contained: a S/S salad bowl / plastic soup bowls / pot and frying pan / small Corningware teakettle / square plastic plates / nesting coffee cups from a British Airway flight from Oslo to Berlin; silverware (in a heavy plastic pouch for easy retrieval); large spoon; corkscrew; salt / pepper shakers / sugar container / small dish detergent bottle/ wine glasses.
Under the plastic cover in the lid I stored a kitchen knife / paring knife / all held in place with wood blocks and bungee cord.
I also made a wood block to fit the tool box handle so that when the galley was open, the top lid rested on the wood block and remained horizontal.
Our stove was a square restaurant table-side cooker with a propane bottle. When you turned off the stove the bottle was disconnected from the stove. These are available at restaurant supply houses and cost about $25.-
Everything else in the tool box galley came from GOODWILL stores / the Salvation Army store / or what I scrounged at Tag Sales.
It becomes a 3D puzzle to make everything fit, but is an enjoyable game when you have a very practical end product that stows easily in an M15.
What I listed were "our" galley contents. With these items we were able to make breakfast / lunch/ or dinner, using the filler piece in the cabin as the work surface at the aft end of the cockpit. Our BIMINI provided sun / rain protection for cooking and dining.
I also built a small table that filled the companionway; with legs that fit over the lower hatch board to hold it in place; and that folded flat for storage.
Great for cocktail hour in a secluded cove with the anchor down.
Also great for longer car trips where we would stop at an Interstate rest stop; take out the tool-box galley; put our table cloth over the picnic table and then dine. It was also useful in hotel / motel rooms where you could make your own breakfast.
Yours will probably vary depending on how much cooking you plan to do on board / and what your food preferences might be
Photos follow.
Connie
Hi Tom,
I'm the gentleman (thanks for the honor) with the tool box galley, and can supply all the details of what I did and how I did it.
Photos available too of the box and its contents.
It all fits into a 19 inch toolbox and contains; pots / pans / salad bowl / plates / nesting cups / silverware / corkscrew / kitchen knives / cutting board / ...everything you need for elegant living on an M15.
Stove was a single burner propane restaurant stove for table-side use. It too, stowed easily on our M15.
Connie
Connie
Sounds like you have a good idea, John. Just make sure you wire in a
good reading light for where you stretch out on your new, low seating. Why not include a backrest so you can configure it like a lawn chair with the shoulder end "stealing a bit of v-berth area if you need more leg room. Somewhere in the archives a gentleman has managed to fit a whole kitchen with service for two in a small box. Very ingenius. Good luck. Tom B
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:58 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net
wrote:
I am thinking similarly re the port/sink side of my M17.
Anyone here done a major remodel (remove the kitchen :-) on their older port-galley M17 and have pictures to show?
For me at 6' 3" it's an opportunity to make a place to sit that could be a few inches lower than the starboard side and thus actually sit fully upright. Then the rest of that side would be open access for stowage and clever retrofits like foldable/stowable galley shelf, etc..
cheers, John S.
On 02/22/2016 05:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley wrote:
On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The
> water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed > the > hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, > seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the > sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee > like > the later M17s. > > -----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank > > My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed > the > holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted > to > move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it > out > from > under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was > put in > place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction > without cutting it apart. > > As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 > gallon > capacity but the waste holding tank only 5. > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> > wrote: > > if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the > water > > tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a >> shelf >> you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression >> post). >> my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like. >> >> me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank. >> >> >> -- >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred >> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ... >> >>> Kazz >>> >>> >>> -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Here is a link to Connie's toolbox galley. http://www.msogphotosite.com/TBoxGaly.html If that doesn't work, just Google "toolbox galley". It's a very clever solution to keeping galley implements together. Bill Day M-15 363, "Gee Whiz" On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, a bimini is on my list, somewhere near the top. South Texas sun will boil your crawdads.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/1/2016 1:58 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
The M15 has a filler piece that make the berth a beautiful big sleeping area.
I used that as the kitchen surface. My first thought was to put some Formica on the upper surface so that it would be easier to keep clean; but then I decided that if I was a careful galley cook, and kept the surface clean, then why go to the trouble of cutting and fitting a Formica surface?
I put it aft in the cockpit; marked where the cockpit walls were located and then added some cleats at that spot so that the filler piece can't slide or move, if a wave from a motorboat hits you.
Now that you have a galley working area, you need protection from the sun or the rain to use it under all conditions. That was what my BIMINI did.
Connie
Hi Connie, Your description was quite complete. Thanks. I especially liked the outdoor dining setup in the cockpit. Your email gives me a good start on putting this thing together. Fair winds, Tom B
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On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/23/2016 3:31 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 2/23/2016 2:35 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi,
I haven't forgotten you. My problem is I have to find the photos of
the
tool box galley before I can send them to you.
Basically it is a _*19 inch tool box*_ - without drawers or compartments - the simplest you can find. ( Thought: maybe a tool box with compartments in the top lid might be handy for things like salt / pepper / sugar / dish detergent, though you then loose interior lid volume)
I cut a birch plywood cutting board ( 1/4" thick) that fit inside the lip of he bottom of the tool box.
I did the same with a piece of clear plastic for the top of the tool box. This is so that I can see what was stored in the top lid ( knives; and various other tools)
The bottom of the tool box contained: a S/S salad bowl / plastic soup bowls / pot and frying pan / small Corningware teakettle / square plastic plates / nesting coffee cups from a British Airway flight from Oslo to Berlin; silverware (in a heavy plastic pouch for easy retrieval); large spoon; corkscrew; salt / pepper shakers / sugar container / small dish detergent bottle/ wine glasses.
Under the plastic cover in the lid I stored a kitchen knife / paring knife / all held in place with wood blocks and bungee cord.
I also made a wood block to fit the tool box handle so that when the galley was open, the top lid rested on the wood block and remained horizontal.
Our stove was a square restaurant table-side cooker with a propane bottle. When you turned off the stove the bottle was disconnected from the stove. These are available at restaurant supply houses and cost about $25.-
Everything else in the tool box galley came from GOODWILL stores / the Salvation Army store / or what I scrounged at Tag Sales.
It becomes a 3D puzzle to make everything fit, but is an enjoyable game when you have a very practical end product that stows easily in an M15.
What I listed were "our" galley contents. With these items we were able to make breakfast / lunch/ or dinner, using the filler piece in the cabin as the work surface at the aft end of the cockpit. Our BIMINI provided sun / rain protection for cooking and dining.
I also built a small table that filled the companionway; with legs that fit over the lower hatch board to hold it in place; and that folded flat for storage.
Great for cocktail hour in a secluded cove with the anchor down.
Also great for longer car trips where we would stop at an Interstate rest stop; take out the tool-box galley; put our table cloth over the picnic table and then dine. It was also useful in hotel / motel rooms where you could make your own breakfast.
Yours will probably vary depending on how much cooking you plan to do on board / and what your food preferences might be
Photos follow.
Connie
Hi Tom,
I'm the gentleman (thanks for the honor) with the tool box galley, and can supply all the details of what I did and how I did it.
Photos available too of the box and its contents.
It all fits into a 19 inch toolbox and contains; pots / pans / salad bowl / plates / nesting cups / silverware / corkscrew / kitchen knives / cutting board / ...everything you need for elegant living on an M15.
Stove was a single burner propane restaurant stove for table-side use. It too, stowed easily on our M15.
Connie
Connie
Sounds like you have a good idea, John. Just make sure you wire in a
good reading light for where you stretch out on your new, low seating. Why not include a backrest so you can configure it like a lawn chair with the shoulder end "stealing a bit of v-berth area if you need more leg
room.
Somewhere in the archives a gentleman has managed to fit a whole kitchen with service for two in a small box. Very ingenius. Good luck. Tom B
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:58 PM, John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net > wrote:
I am thinking similarly re the port/sink side of my M17.
> Anyone here done a major remodel (remove the kitchen :-) on their > older > port-galley M17 and have pictures to show? > > For me at 6' 3" it's an opportunity to make a place to sit that could > be a > few inches lower than the starboard side and thus actually sit fully > upright. Then the rest of that side would be open access for stowage > and > clever retrofits like foldable/stowable galley shelf, etc.. > > cheers, > John S. > > On 02/22/2016 05:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley wrote: > > On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The > >> water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed >> the >> hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, >> seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the >> sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee >> like >> the later M17s. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez >> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank >> >> My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed >> the >> holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted >> to >> move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it >> out >> from >> under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was >> put in >> place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction >> without cutting it apart. >> >> As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 >> gallon >> capacity but the waste holding tank only 5. >> >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie < scoobscobie@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the >> water >> >> tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a >>> shelf >>> you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression >>> post). >>> my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like. >>> >>> me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ... >>> >>>> Kazz >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >> > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > >
Hi Bill......how's Gigi? Team excellent adventures removable galley in one of my M_17s.
Very compact! Good idea if you are going where conditions won't be conducive to cooking outside. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:57 PM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another view
Thanks,Bill, that's "the rest of the story". Looks like a possible niche market for Connie. On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Bill Day <bill@gotrain.org> wrote:
Here is a link to Connie's toolbox galley.
http://www.msogphotosite.com/TBoxGaly.html
If that doesn't work, just Google "toolbox galley".
It's a very clever solution to keeping galley implements together.
Bill Day M-15 363, "Gee Whiz"
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, a bimini is on my list, somewhere near the top. South Texas sun will boil your crawdads.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 3/1/2016 1:58 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
The M15 has a filler piece that make the berth a beautiful big sleeping area.
I used that as the kitchen surface. My first thought was to put some Formica on the upper surface so that it would be easier to keep clean; but then I decided that if I was a careful galley cook, and kept the surface clean, then why go to the trouble of cutting and fitting a Formica surface?
I put it aft in the cockpit; marked where the cockpit walls were located and then added some cleats at that spot so that the filler piece can't slide or move, if a wave from a motorboat hits you.
Now that you have a galley working area, you need protection from the sun or the rain to use it under all conditions. That was what my BIMINI did.
Connie
Hi Connie, Your description was quite complete. Thanks. I especially liked the outdoor dining setup in the cockpit. Your email gives me a good start on putting this thing together. Fair winds, Tom B
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On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com
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On 2/23/2016 3:31 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 2/23/2016 2:35 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi,
I haven't forgotten you. My problem is I have to find the photos of
the
tool box galley before I can send them to you.
Basically it is a _*19 inch tool box*_ - without drawers or compartments - the simplest you can find. ( Thought: maybe a tool box with compartments in the top lid might be handy for things like salt / pepper / sugar / dish detergent, though you then loose interior lid volume)
I cut a birch plywood cutting board ( 1/4" thick) that fit inside the lip of he bottom of the tool box.
I did the same with a piece of clear plastic for the top of the tool box. This is so that I can see what was stored in the top lid ( knives; and various other tools)
The bottom of the tool box contained: a S/S salad bowl / plastic soup bowls / pot and frying pan / small Corningware teakettle / square plastic plates / nesting coffee cups from a British Airway flight from Oslo to Berlin; silverware (in a heavy plastic pouch for easy retrieval); large spoon; corkscrew; salt / pepper shakers / sugar container / small dish detergent bottle/ wine glasses.
Under the plastic cover in the lid I stored a kitchen knife / paring knife / all held in place with wood blocks and bungee cord.
I also made a wood block to fit the tool box handle so that when the galley was open, the top lid rested on the wood block and remained horizontal.
Our stove was a square restaurant table-side cooker with a propane bottle. When you turned off the stove the bottle was disconnected from the stove. These are available at restaurant supply houses and cost about $25.-
Everything else in the tool box galley came from GOODWILL stores / the Salvation Army store / or what I scrounged at Tag Sales.
It becomes a 3D puzzle to make everything fit, but is an enjoyable game when you have a very practical end product that stows easily in an M15.
What I listed were "our" galley contents. With these items we were able to make breakfast / lunch/ or dinner, using the filler piece in the cabin as the work surface at the aft end of the cockpit. Our BIMINI provided sun / rain protection for cooking and dining.
I also built a small table that filled the companionway; with legs that fit over the lower hatch board to hold it in place; and that folded flat for storage.
Great for cocktail hour in a secluded cove with the anchor down.
Also great for longer car trips where we would stop at an Interstate rest stop; take out the tool-box galley; put our table cloth over the picnic table and then dine. It was also useful in hotel / motel rooms where you could make your own breakfast.
Yours will probably vary depending on how much cooking you plan to do on board / and what your food preferences might be
Photos follow.
Connie
Hi Tom,
I'm the gentleman (thanks for the honor) with the tool box galley,
and
can supply all the details of what I did and how I did it.
Photos available too of the box and its contents.
It all fits into a 19 inch toolbox and contains; pots / pans / salad bowl / plates / nesting cups / silverware / corkscrew / kitchen knives / cutting board / ...everything you need for elegant living on an M15.
Stove was a single burner propane restaurant stove for table-side use. It too, stowed easily on our M15.
Connie
Connie
Sounds like you have a good idea, John. Just make sure you wire in a > good > reading light for where you stretch out on your new, low seating. Why > not > include a backrest so you can configure it like a lawn chair with the > shoulder end "stealing a bit of v-berth area if you need more leg room. > Somewhere in the archives a gentleman has managed to fit a whole > kitchen > with service for two in a small box. Very ingenius. > Good luck. > Tom B > > This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:58 PM, John Schinnerer < john@eco-living.net > > > wrote: > > I am thinking similarly re the port/sink side of my M17. > >> Anyone here done a major remodel (remove the kitchen :-) on their >> older >> port-galley M17 and have pictures to show? >> >> For me at 6' 3" it's an opportunity to make a place to sit that could >> be a >> few inches lower than the starboard side and thus actually sit fully >> upright. Then the rest of that side would be open access for stowage >> and >> clever retrofits like foldable/stowable galley shelf, etc.. >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> On 02/22/2016 05:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley wrote: >> >> On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The >> >>> water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed >>> the >>> hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, >>> seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the >>> sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee >>> like >>> the later M17s. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez >>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank >>> >>> My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed >>> the >>> holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted >>> to >>> move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it >>> out >>> from >>> under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was >>> put in >>> place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction >>> without cutting it apart. >>> >>> As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 >>> gallon >>> capacity but the waste holding tank only 5. >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie < scoobscobie@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the >>> water >>> >>> tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a >>>> shelf >>>> you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression >>>> post). >>>> my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like. >>>> >>>> me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred >>>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ... >>>> >>>>> Kazz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>> >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> >> >>
My thoughts, exactly. It would be more useful space usage to make a settee out of it. This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed the hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee like the later M17s.
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank
My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed the holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted to move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it out from under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was put in place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction without cutting it apart.
As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 gallon capacity but the waste holding tank only 5.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water
tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
-- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir
You can actually get some water in the sink if you sail heeled over far enough. I've had things that I thought were safe in there get wet after some hard sailing. I sealed it off after that. On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
My thoughts, exactly. It would be more useful space usage to make a settee out of it.
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed the hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee like the later M17s.
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank
My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed the holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted to move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it out from under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was put in place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction without cutting it apart.
As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 gallon capacity but the waste holding tank only 5.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water
tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
-- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir
I wanted a bigger key holder and cell phone repository so I went and put in a stainless steel bar sink with a full size 4 inch drain. Then I found a nifty drain basket configuration that actually screws a rubber gasket down tight to seal off the sink from incoming water. I will see how useful the sink really is, if not, I still have the catchall with fiddles. Tom B This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
You can actually get some water in the sink if you sail heeled over far enough. I've had things that I thought were safe in there get wet after some hard sailing. I sealed it off after that.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
My thoughts, exactly. It would be more useful space usage to make a settee out of it.
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Stanley Wheatley < swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
On a 17' boat, a sink and water tank are just marketing gimmicks. The water tank was long gone when I got my M17 and I immediately removed the hoses and the pump. My medium term plan is to delete the scary, seacock-less through-hull. My long term plan is to cut down the sink/counter and use the base as the foundation for a short settee like the later M17s.
-----Original Message----- From: Henry Rodriguez Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 7:24 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank
My boat has the holding tank up forward under the v-berth. I removed the holding tank since the porcelain head was inoperable anyway. I wanted to move the water tank up there but couldn't figure out how to get it out from under the cockpit. It must have been installed before the deck was put in place. There is not enough clearance to remove it from any direction without cutting it apart.
As near as I can tell from the measurements, the water tank has a 10 gallon capacity but the waste holding tank only 5.
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water
tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Behind the CB trunk is the water tank. ...
Kazz
-- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir
My M17 presumably had a waste tank at some point as there is what looks to be an original through-deck fitting (marked "waste" no less), but cut/capped off inside just under the deck. There's also a small air vent through-deck just next to it, likewise cut & plugged just below deck. No sign of a water tank, aside from the sink unit, no pump, drain still connected to port side through-hull. cheers, John S. On 02/22/2016 03:14 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
That through-deck and vent originally would have been for the water tank. That the cap now says "waste" probably just means some p.o. lost the original and got the replacement on the cheap. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:10:52 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank My M17 presumably had a waste tank at some point as there is what looks to be an original through-deck fitting (marked "waste" no less), but cut/capped off inside just under the deck. There's also a small air vent through-deck just next to it, likewise cut & plugged just below deck. No sign of a water tank, aside from the sink unit, no pump, drain still connected to port side through-hull. cheers, John S. On 02/22/2016 03:14 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Just don't confuse the holding tank with the water tank! This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:05 AM, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
That through-deck and vent originally would have been for the water tank. That the cap now says "waste" probably just means some p.o. lost the original and got the replacement on the cheap.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:10:52 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 water tank
My M17 presumably had a waste tank at some point as there is what looks to be an original through-deck fitting (marked "waste" no less), but cut/capped off inside just under the deck. There's also a small air vent through-deck just next to it, likewise cut & plugged just below deck.
No sign of a water tank, aside from the sink unit, no pump, drain still connected to port side through-hull.
cheers, John S.
On 02/22/2016 03:14 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
if you really want a water system a better weight distribution the water tank should be forward under the vberth. some M17s have a pan with a shelf you can secure a water tank (starboard forward of the compression post). my M17 has the pan so i can take a picture if you like.
me ... i just use bottles of water and have no water tank.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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