Connie, Like we always discuss, all boats are a compromise, but there's always that urge in me to find perfection. The Dovekie has some unique features that seem to make it a fine camp cruiser when conditions are ideal, but it seems to be lacking when facing contingency situations. Connie said, "Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length." You're so right about the virtues of this little ship. I'm reminded of the time you introduced me to the M15 and convinced me it was the boat for me, when I thought I wanted an M17. I'm sure I would have happy with a 17 "for awhile", but the extra effort required to rig, launch, retrieve and pack up just doesn't seem to be offset by additional advantages. BTW, I didn't get the url for the website you mentioned in your last post. I'm interested in sculling, but I'm a bit skeptical as to moving the fat little M15 with a yuloh. I made a pair of ten foot oars for my boat. They marginally work and storage is difficult. Yours for a fair tide, Rick
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:52:38 -0400 From: "chbenneck@sbcglobal.net" <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: What do you think of Dovekies? To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <490B9A46.3040201@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Rick,
Here is an interesting website I found about a Frenchman who has developed another version of a yuloh.
Since it seems to be a take-apart yuloh, I think it would be ideal for an M15.
See the attached website:
skip to main | skip to sidebar ROWING FOR PLEASURE
Thursday, 10 July 2008 A new design of sculling oar Here's an interesting sculling oar, developed by Guy Capra in Toulon. His blog is in French, so I have probably got this wrong, but Guy points out that sculling over the transom is a difficult skill to learn because it involves a counter-intuitive figure-of-eight movement of the handle. His design, dubbed godyoto (godille is French for stern oar), has a crank in it that forces the blade to turn in the right direction when you pull the handle. Traditional Chinese yulohs are bent, like the godyoto, but don't have the crank. The pictures make it clearer. And the video makes it clear it works.
20080424 1er essai GODYOTO by Alomphega
I tried over-the-stern sculling in Nessy a couple of weeks back, using a long oar I bought off eBay, and made little headway though I did manage to go forwards rather than in circles. If the godyoto really does work it would be brilliant for sculling round harbours. As a bonus, the crank splits the oar in half for easy stowing in the boat when not in use. (Thanks to Duckworks for the heads-up) Posted by Chris at 09:02 0 comments:
Connie
chbenneck@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Rick,
Those are always the problems to consider.....
Our Bolger MICRO was ideal, and was an excellent sailer, but..... stepping a 20 foot free standing mast became too much. Phil Bolger recognized the problem and made a newer version with the mast in a tabernacle, where it could be easily raised.
However, by then I was into the ComPac 16 - easy mast stepping, but that was about it.
Having learned of the ComPac problems, I went looking for a "real" ship, and found it in the M15.
Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length.
When we sold LEPPO, I was building a yuloh so that I could scull the M15, if need be. Why row facing backwards, when you can scull facing forward....?
Connie
Hi Rick, Moving the fat little M15 with a yuloh...? Let me introduce you to Lynn & Larry Pardey, who have built a Hess designed Bristol Channel Cutter - 30' long; ... with wooden bathtub for Lynn where the engine normally would live, back about '78. Their boat doesn't have an engine of any kind. They move their several ton Channel Cutter with a yuloh, and have been doing it for about 30 years. Check out your Library for any of their books on their voyages. They have been around the World several times in their two boats; and neither has had an auxiliary engine - just a yuloh to move it along if there is no wind. I haven't heard of them of late, so possibly they have finally dropped anchor in Australia or some other pleasant spot in the World and are calling it a day. My guess is that they are both at least in their 60's if not more. .....perhaps health problems? Incidentally, Larry wrote the most marvelous book on wooden boat building, while building the 30' Channel Cutter, I have ever seen. What makes it remarkable is that he gets to a sticky boat building problem, and then examines, with you looking over his shoulder, the various different alternatives to solving the problem; .... and, then he gives you his reasoning why he picked the solution that he did. I have never seen that in any other boat building book. For me, that alone was well worth the price of admission. ------------------------------------------- When we bought our Bill Tripp designed Tripp-Lentsch 29 in Holland back in '66, I was well aware of what an excellent design it was (like the M15.) It slept four - five in a pinch - but had sail lockers where you could easily put in and take out sail bags. It had excellent lockers and storage for four - and it was an excellent sailer as well. (Bill Tripp had worked for Grumman Aircraft and so designed his keel shape using NACA airfoil sections. Living in Europe and traveling a lot, I was able to visit all major Boat Shows, from Stockholm to Paris, and I crawled ina an out of an awful lot of sailboats to see if there might be "something better" on the market. When I got home again, and my wife asked, "..... well....?" the answer was always the same. Nothing comes close to the Tripp-Lentsch 29. You find the boats that are 30 feet long that sleep 8 (and not a bit of storage space anywhere); or the IOR racers, with the optimum 7 degree headsail sheeting angles, which means that you can't walk forward on the deck without being a monkey and swinging from the shrouds. In one case I saw a Sparkman & Stephens IOR boat with outboard berths at the Amsterdam Boat Show.. The shrouds went through the middle of the berth with a quick release pelican hook device so that someone could sleep in the berth - the shroud went through where his stomach would be if he were lying down. Now can you picture it: it is 2 AM; you are hard on the wind, visibility is poor, pounding along and you suddenly spot a fishing boat towing nets. You have to tack to get out of his way. You holler down below to the crew member in the outboard leeward berth. He has to get up, locate the pelican hook. Get it attached to the fitting for the lee shrouds under the deck, and then when he has accomplished all this, he tells the helmsman, it is OK to tack.... Give me a break.... That may be acceptable for flat out IOR racing but it sure lowered my esteem for any S&S designs, if they would say that this is a high seas capable ocean racer - and that is a perfectly safe solution to the 7 degree sheeting problem. No way Jose! My T-L 29 decks were wide. I could carry a case of beer down the length of my deck without doing shroud gymnastics, and if I didn't have the optimum sheeting angle for racing, so what.... Gentlemen don't sail to windward. We only sail on broad reaches....! Happy sailing, and I'll send you that yuloh url again. Connie Rick Langer wrote:
Connie,
Like we always discuss, all boats are a compromise, but there's always that urge in me to find perfection. The Dovekie has some unique features that seem to make it a fine camp cruiser when conditions are ideal, but it seems to be lacking when facing contingency situations.
Connie said, "Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length."
You're so right about the virtues of this little ship. I'm reminded of the time you introduced me to the M15 and convinced me it was the boat for me, when I thought I wanted an M17. I'm sure I would have happy with a 17 "for awhile", but the extra effort required to rig, launch, retrieve and pack up just doesn't seem to be offset by additional advantages.
BTW, I didn't get the url for the website you mentioned in your last post. I'm interested in sculling, but I'm a bit skeptical as to moving the fat little M15 with a yuloh. I made a pair of ten foot oars for my boat. They marginally work and storage is difficult.
Yours for a fair tide,
Rick
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:52:38 -0400 From: "chbenneck@sbcglobal.net" <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: What do you think of Dovekies? To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <490B9A46.3040201@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Rick,
Here is an interesting website I found about a Frenchman who has developed another version of a yuloh.
Since it seems to be a take-apart yuloh, I think it would be ideal for an M15.
See the attached website:
skip to main | skip to sidebar ROWING FOR PLEASURE
Thursday, 10 July 2008 A new design of sculling oar Here's an interesting sculling oar, developed by Guy Capra in Toulon. His blog is in French, so I have probably got this wrong, but Guy points out that sculling over the transom is a difficult skill to learn because it involves a counter-intuitive figure-of-eight movement of the handle. His design, dubbed godyoto (godille is French for stern oar), has a crank in it that forces the blade to turn in the right direction when you pull the handle. Traditional Chinese yulohs are bent, like the godyoto, but don't have the crank. The pictures make it clearer. And the video makes it clear it works.
20080424 1er essai GODYOTO by Alomphega
I tried over-the-stern sculling in Nessy a couple of weeks back, using a long oar I bought off eBay, and made little headway though I did manage to go forwards rather than in circles. If the godyoto really does work it would be brilliant for sculling round harbours. As a bonus, the crank splits the oar in half for easy stowing in the boat when not in use. (Thanks to Duckworks for the heads-up) Posted by Chris at 09:02 0 comments:
Connie
chbenneck@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Rick,
Those are always the problems to consider.....
Our Bolger MICRO was ideal, and was an excellent sailer, but..... stepping a 20 foot free standing mast became too much. Phil Bolger recognized the problem and made a newer version with the mast in a tabernacle, where it could be easily raised.
However, by then I was into the ComPac 16 - easy mast stepping, but that was about it.
Having learned of the ComPac problems, I went looking for a "real" ship, and found it in the M15.
Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length.
When we sold LEPPO, I was building a yuloh so that I could scull the M15, if need be. Why row facing backwards, when you can scull facing forward....?
Connie
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Hi Rick, Now let me point you, - and the rest of the M gang - in an interesting direction. Go to Google: Enter "Chinese sculling oar" and then start reading a long list of items pertaining to yulohs. The Frenchman with the two piece yuloh that I was talking about can be found under the above list of Chinese sculling oar references. The article about him is listed as: "rowingforpleasure.blogspot.com/2008/07/new-design-of-a-sculling-oar-18508.html More on the same topic can be found at: www.woodenboat.net.nz/Stories/Sculling/Scullone.html I also went to Google and entered "Lin & Larry Pardey". Up came their website. They are still busy sailing Talesin and their latest report is from some time spent on Christmas Island in the South Pacific, dated October 8, 2008. Their website also lists all their books, including the boat building book: "Details of Classic Boat Construction", and it is still available. Happy yuloh-ing, Connie Rick Langer wrote:
Connie,
Like we always discuss, all boats are a compromise, but there's always that urge in me to find perfection. The Dovekie has some unique features that seem to make it a fine camp cruiser when conditions are ideal, but it seems to be lacking when facing contingency situations.
Connie said, "Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length."
You're so right about the virtues of this little ship. I'm reminded of the time you introduced me to the M15 and convinced me it was the boat for me, when I thought I wanted an M17. I'm sure I would have happy with a 17 "for awhile", but the extra effort required to rig, launch, retrieve and pack up just doesn't seem to be offset by additional advantages.
BTW, I didn't get the url for the website you mentioned in your last post. I'm interested in sculling, but I'm a bit skeptical as to moving the fat little M15 with a yuloh. I made a pair of ten foot oars for my boat. They marginally work and storage is difficult.
Yours for a fair tide,
Rick
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:52:38 -0400 From: "chbenneck@sbcglobal.net" <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: What do you think of Dovekies? To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <490B9A46.3040201@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Rick,
Here is an interesting website I found about a Frenchman who has developed another version of a yuloh.
Since it seems to be a take-apart yuloh, I think it would be ideal for an M15.
See the attached website:
skip to main | skip to sidebar ROWING FOR PLEASURE
Thursday, 10 July 2008 A new design of sculling oar Here's an interesting sculling oar, developed by Guy Capra in Toulon. His blog is in French, so I have probably got this wrong, but Guy points out that sculling over the transom is a difficult skill to learn because it involves a counter-intuitive figure-of-eight movement of the handle. His design, dubbed godyoto (godille is French for stern oar), has a crank in it that forces the blade to turn in the right direction when you pull the handle. Traditional Chinese yulohs are bent, like the godyoto, but don't have the crank. The pictures make it clearer. And the video makes it clear it works.
20080424 1er essai GODYOTO by Alomphega
I tried over-the-stern sculling in Nessy a couple of weeks back, using a long oar I bought off eBay, and made little headway though I did manage to go forwards rather than in circles. If the godyoto really does work it would be brilliant for sculling round harbours. As a bonus, the crank splits the oar in half for easy stowing in the boat when not in use. (Thanks to Duckworks for the heads-up) Posted by Chris at 09:02 0 comments:
Connie
chbenneck@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Rick,
Those are always the problems to consider.....
Our Bolger MICRO was ideal, and was an excellent sailer, but..... stepping a 20 foot free standing mast became too much. Phil Bolger recognized the problem and made a newer version with the mast in a tabernacle, where it could be easily raised.
However, by then I was into the ComPac 16 - easy mast stepping, but that was about it.
Having learned of the ComPac problems, I went looking for a "real" ship, and found it in the M15.
Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length.
When we sold LEPPO, I was building a yuloh so that I could scull the M15, if need be. Why row facing backwards, when you can scull facing forward....?
Connie
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Hi Rick, Yesterday I did some homework on "Yuloh" If you go to Google and enter "Yuloh" you will find 25 pages of yuloh information: - History - Use: The Chinese have used yulohs for centuries to move heavy vessels - Construction - Problems with use One man shows how he built a yuloh and is moving his shanty dock with it. Another is using a yuloh as propulsion on a 5 ton 32 foot long Herreshoff sloop Look for the "bbs.trailersailors.com/forums/potter/index.cgl/noframes/read/75464" where George Salley has photos of a yuloh he built and it's installation. The advantage of the yuloh over oars is that with the oars only half of the stroke is expending useful energy to move the boat; the return stroke is work but doesn't move the boat. With the yuloh, on the other hand, each stroke is useful work to move the boat forward - there is no waste motion. Have fun thinking about your new yuloh project. Connie Rick Langer wrote:
Connie,
Like we always discuss, all boats are a compromise, but there's always that urge in me to find perfection. The Dovekie has some unique features that seem to make it a fine camp cruiser when conditions are ideal, but it seems to be lacking when facing contingency situations.
Connie said, "Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length."
You're so right about the virtues of this little ship. I'm reminded of the time you introduced me to the M15 and convinced me it was the boat for me, when I thought I wanted an M17. I'm sure I would have happy with a 17 "for awhile", but the extra effort required to rig, launch, retrieve and pack up just doesn't seem to be offset by additional advantages.
BTW, I didn't get the url for the website you mentioned in your last post. I'm interested in sculling, but I'm a bit skeptical as to moving the fat little M15 with a yuloh. I made a pair of ten foot oars for my boat. They marginally work and storage is difficult.
Yours for a fair tide,
Rick
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:52:38 -0400 From: "chbenneck@sbcglobal.net" <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: What do you think of Dovekies? To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <490B9A46.3040201@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Rick,
Here is an interesting website I found about a Frenchman who has developed another version of a yuloh.
Since it seems to be a take-apart yuloh, I think it would be ideal for an M15.
See the attached website:
skip to main | skip to sidebar ROWING FOR PLEASURE
Thursday, 10 July 2008 A new design of sculling oar Here's an interesting sculling oar, developed by Guy Capra in Toulon. His blog is in French, so I have probably got this wrong, but Guy points out that sculling over the transom is a difficult skill to learn because it involves a counter-intuitive figure-of-eight movement of the handle. His design, dubbed godyoto (godille is French for stern oar), has a crank in it that forces the blade to turn in the right direction when you pull the handle. Traditional Chinese yulohs are bent, like the godyoto, but don't have the crank. The pictures make it clearer. And the video makes it clear it works.
20080424 1er essai GODYOTO by Alomphega
I tried over-the-stern sculling in Nessy a couple of weeks back, using a long oar I bought off eBay, and made little headway though I did manage to go forwards rather than in circles. If the godyoto really does work it would be brilliant for sculling round harbours. As a bonus, the crank splits the oar in half for easy stowing in the boat when not in use. (Thanks to Duckworks for the heads-up) Posted by Chris at 09:02 0 comments:
Connie
chbenneck@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Rick,
Those are always the problems to consider.....
Our Bolger MICRO was ideal, and was an excellent sailer, but..... stepping a 20 foot free standing mast became too much. Phil Bolger recognized the problem and made a newer version with the mast in a tabernacle, where it could be easily raised.
However, by then I was into the ComPac 16 - easy mast stepping, but that was about it.
Having learned of the ComPac problems, I went looking for a "real" ship, and found it in the M15.
Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length.
When we sold LEPPO, I was building a yuloh so that I could scull the M15, if need be. Why row facing backwards, when you can scull facing forward....?
Connie
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Connie: Could you give us the actual link? --Gary On Nov 7, 2008, at 8:01 AM, chbenneck@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Rick,
Yesterday I did some homework on "Yuloh"
If you go to Google and enter "Yuloh" you will find 25 pages of yuloh information:
- History
- Use: The Chinese have used yulohs for centuries to move heavy vessels
- Construction
- Problems with use
One man shows how he built a yuloh and is moving his shanty dock with it.
Another is using a yuloh as propulsion on a 5 ton 32 foot long Herreshoff sloop
Look for the "bbs.trailersailors.com/forums/potter/index.cgl/noframes/read/75464" where George Salley has photos of a yuloh he built and it's installation.
The advantage of the yuloh over oars is that with the oars only half of the stroke is expending useful energy to move the boat; the return stroke is work but doesn't move the boat. With the yuloh, on the other hand, each stroke is useful work to move the boat forward - there is no waste motion.
Have fun thinking about your new yuloh project.
Connie
Rick Langer wrote:
Connie,
Like we always discuss, all boats are a compromise, but there's always that urge in me to find perfection. The Dovekie has some unique features that seem to make it a fine camp cruiser when conditions are ideal, but it seems to be lacking when facing contingency situations.
Connie said, "Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length."
You're so right about the virtues of this little ship. I'm reminded of the time you introduced me to the M15 and convinced me it was the boat for me, when I thought I wanted an M17. I'm sure I would have happy with a 17 "for awhile", but the extra effort required to rig, launch, retrieve and pack up just doesn't seem to be offset by additional advantages.
BTW, I didn't get the url for the website you mentioned in your last post. I'm interested in sculling, but I'm a bit skeptical as to moving the fat little M15 with a yuloh. I made a pair of ten foot oars for my boat. They marginally work and storage is difficult.
Yours for a fair tide,
Rick
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:52:38 -0400 From: "chbenneck@sbcglobal.net" <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: What do you think of Dovekies? To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <490B9A46.3040201@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Rick,
Here is an interesting website I found about a Frenchman who has developed another version of a yuloh.
Since it seems to be a take-apart yuloh, I think it would be ideal for an M15.
See the attached website:
skip to main | skip to sidebar ROWING FOR PLEASURE
Thursday, 10 July 2008 A new design of sculling oar Here's an interesting sculling oar, developed by Guy Capra in Toulon. His blog is in French, so I have probably got this wrong, but Guy points out that sculling over the transom is a difficult skill to learn because it involves a counter-intuitive figure-of-eight movement of the handle. His design, dubbed godyoto (godille is French for stern oar), has a crank in it that forces the blade to turn in the right direction when you pull the handle. Traditional Chinese yulohs are bent, like the godyoto, but don't have the crank. The pictures make it clearer. And the video makes it clear it works.
20080424 1er essai GODYOTO by Alomphega
I tried over-the-stern sculling in Nessy a couple of weeks back, using a long oar I bought off eBay, and made little headway though I did manage to go forwards rather than in circles. If the godyoto really does work it would be brilliant for sculling round harbours. As a bonus, the crank splits the oar in half for easy stowing in the boat when not in use. (Thanks to Duckworks for the heads-up) Posted by Chris at 09:02 0 comments:
Connie
chbenneck@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Rick,
Those are always the problems to consider.....
Our Bolger MICRO was ideal, and was an excellent sailer, but..... stepping a 20 foot free standing mast became too much. Phil Bolger recognized the problem and made a newer version with the mast in a tabernacle, where it could be easily raised.
However, by then I was into the ComPac 16 - easy mast stepping, but that was about it.
Having learned of the ComPac problems, I went looking for a "real" ship, and found it in the M15.
Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length.
When we sold LEPPO, I was building a yuloh so that I could scull the M15, if need be. Why row facing backwards, when you can scull facing forward....?
Connie
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.......so........ how do you back up?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: What do you think of Dovekies?
Hi Rick,
Yesterday I did some homework on "Yuloh"
If you go to Google and enter "Yuloh" you will find 25 pages of yuloh information:
- History
- Use: The Chinese have used yulohs for centuries to move heavy vessels
- Construction
- Problems with use
One man shows how he built a yuloh and is moving his shanty dock with it.
Another is using a yuloh as propulsion on a 5 ton 32 foot long Herreshoff sloop
Look for the "bbs.trailersailors.com/forums/potter/index.cgl/noframes/read/75464" where George Salley has photos of a yuloh he built and it's installation.
The advantage of the yuloh over oars is that with the oars only half of the stroke is expending useful energy to move the boat; the return stroke is work but doesn't move the boat. With the yuloh, on the other hand, each stroke is useful work to move the boat forward - there is no waste motion.
Have fun thinking about your new yuloh project.
Connie
Rick Langer wrote:
Connie,
Like we always discuss, all boats are a compromise, but there's always that urge in me to find perfection. The Dovekie has some unique features that seem to make it a fine camp cruiser when conditions are ideal, but it seems to be lacking when facing contingency situations.
Connie said, "Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length."
You're so right about the virtues of this little ship. I'm reminded of the time you introduced me to the M15 and convinced me it was the boat for me, when I thought I wanted an M17. I'm sure I would have happy with a 17 "for awhile", but the extra effort required to rig, launch, retrieve and pack up just doesn't seem to be offset by additional advantages.
BTW, I didn't get the url for the website you mentioned in your last post. I'm interested in sculling, but I'm a bit skeptical as to moving the fat little M15 with a yuloh. I made a pair of ten foot oars for my boat. They marginally work and storage is difficult.
Yours for a fair tide,
Rick
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:52:38 -0400 From: "chbenneck@sbcglobal.net" <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: What do you think of Dovekies? To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <490B9A46.3040201@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi Rick,
Here is an interesting website I found about a Frenchman who has developed another version of a yuloh.
Since it seems to be a take-apart yuloh, I think it would be ideal for an M15.
See the attached website:
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Thursday, 10 July 2008 A new design of sculling oar Here's an interesting sculling oar, developed by Guy Capra in Toulon. His blog is in French, so I have probably got this wrong, but Guy points out that sculling over the transom is a difficult skill to learn because it involves a counter-intuitive figure-of-eight movement of the handle. His design, dubbed godyoto (godille is French for stern oar), has a crank in it that forces the blade to turn in the right direction when you pull the handle. Traditional Chinese yulohs are bent, like the godyoto, but don't have the crank. The pictures make it clearer. And the video makes it clear it works.
20080424 1er essai GODYOTO by Alomphega
I tried over-the-stern sculling in Nessy a couple of weeks back, using a long oar I bought off eBay, and made little headway though I did manage to go forwards rather than in circles. If the godyoto really does work it would be brilliant for sculling round harbours. As a bonus, the crank splits the oar in half for easy stowing in the boat when not in use. (Thanks to Duckworks for the heads-up) Posted by Chris at 09:02 0 comments:
Connie
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Hi Rick,
Those are always the problems to consider.....
Our Bolger MICRO was ideal, and was an excellent sailer, but..... stepping a 20 foot free standing mast became too much. Phil Bolger recognized the problem and made a newer version with the mast in a tabernacle, where it could be easily raised.
However, by then I was into the ComPac 16 - easy mast stepping, but that was about it.
Having learned of the ComPac problems, I went looking for a "real" ship, and found it in the M15.
Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length.
When we sold LEPPO, I was building a yuloh so that I could scull the M15, if need be. Why row facing backwards, when you can scull facing forward....?
Connie
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Joe, The answer is simple..... walk your yuloh to the bow of your boat; put the yuloh into the socket you also have there, and yuloh away - going backwards..... Connie Joe Murphy wrote:
.......so........ how do you back up?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: What do you think of Dovekies?
Hi Rick,
Yesterday I did some homework on "Yuloh"
If you go to Google and enter "Yuloh" you will find 25 pages of yuloh information:
- History
- Use: The Chinese have used yulohs for centuries to move heavy vessels
- Construction
- Problems with use
One man shows how he built a yuloh and is moving his shanty dock with it.
Another is using a yuloh as propulsion on a 5 ton 32 foot long Herreshoff sloop
Look for the "bbs.trailersailors.com/forums/potter/index.cgl/noframes/read/75464" where George Salley has photos of a yuloh he built and it's installation.
The advantage of the yuloh over oars is that with the oars only half of the stroke is expending useful energy to move the boat; the return stroke is work but doesn't move the boat. With the yuloh, on the other hand, each stroke is useful work to move the boat forward - there is no waste motion.
Have fun thinking about your new yuloh project.
Connie
Rick Langer wrote:
Connie,
Like we always discuss, all boats are a compromise, but there's always that urge in me to find perfection. The Dovekie has some unique features that seem to make it a fine camp cruiser when conditions are ideal, but it seems to be lacking when facing contingency situations.
Connie said, "Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length."
You're so right about the virtues of this little ship. I'm reminded of the time you introduced me to the M15 and convinced me it was the boat for me, when I thought I wanted an M17. I'm sure I would have happy with a 17 "for awhile", but the extra effort required to rig, launch, retrieve and pack up just doesn't seem to be offset by additional advantages.
BTW, I didn't get the url for the website you mentioned in your last post. I'm interested in sculling, but I'm a bit skeptical as to moving the fat little M15 with a yuloh. I made a pair of ten foot oars for my boat. They marginally work and storage is difficult.
Yours for a fair tide,
Rick
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Hi Rick,
Here is an interesting website I found about a Frenchman who has developed another version of a yuloh.
Since it seems to be a take-apart yuloh, I think it would be ideal for an M15.
See the attached website:
skip to main | skip to sidebar ROWING FOR PLEASURE
Thursday, 10 July 2008 A new design of sculling oar Here's an interesting sculling oar, developed by Guy Capra in Toulon. His blog is in French, so I have probably got this wrong, but Guy points out that sculling over the transom is a difficult skill to learn because it involves a counter-intuitive figure-of-eight movement of the handle. His design, dubbed godyoto (godille is French for stern oar), has a crank in it that forces the blade to turn in the right direction when you pull the handle. Traditional Chinese yulohs are bent, like the godyoto, but don't have the crank. The pictures make it clearer. And the video makes it clear it works.
20080424 1er essai GODYOTO by Alomphega
I tried over-the-stern sculling in Nessy a couple of weeks back, using a long oar I bought off eBay, and made little headway though I did manage to go forwards rather than in circles. If the godyoto really does work it would be brilliant for sculling round harbours. As a bonus, the crank splits the oar in half for easy stowing in the boat when not in use. (Thanks to Duckworks for the heads-up) Posted by Chris at 09:02 0 comments:
Connie
chbenneck@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Hi Rick,
Those are always the problems to consider.....
Our Bolger MICRO was ideal, and was an excellent sailer, but..... stepping a 20 foot free standing mast became too much. Phil Bolger recognized the problem and made a newer version with the mast in a tabernacle, where it could be easily raised.
However, by then I was into the ComPac 16 - easy mast stepping, but that was about it.
Having learned of the ComPac problems, I went looking for a "real" ship, and found it in the M15.
Admittedly, accommodations are tight; but in all other aspects it has what is needed in any ship: good storage for sails; anchors; fenders; and all the gear that accumulates as you travel; the Bimini; swim ladder; outboard fuel; cleaning equipment and supplies; it sails beautifully, is seaworthy, and is trailerable behind a small car. You can't ask for more in 15 feet length.
When we sold LEPPO, I was building a yuloh so that I could scull the M15, if need be. Why row facing backwards, when you can scull facing forward....?
Connie
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There is another way! http://www.msog.org/how-to/oars.cfm With this type of sculling oar anyway. If you put a line or strap over the oar so it won't lift out, you can reverse the stroke and scull backwards. The Yuloh or vertical blade sculling oar won't back, but might be easier to use as it doesn't float out of the socket when you rest the stroke. They are not hard to build if you have a little woodworking knowledge. Howard On Nov 7, 2008, at 4:12 PM, chbenneck@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Joe,
The answer is simple.....
walk your yuloh to the bow of your boat; put the yuloh into the socket you also have there, and yuloh away - going backwards.....
Connie
Joe Murphy wrote:
.......so........ how do you back up?? Joe
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