Great stuff Danielle. I too learned on larger boats. I sail OPBs for many years....usually keel boats. (other peoples boats) The first sailboat I actually owned was a lot smaller than my M17. The learning curve was huge. Nowadays the 17 seems like an extension of my will....a part of my body. Tods input was perfect, as all the others. I would add this, slugs = better. My humble worthless opinion. I have sailed bolt rope mains and tracks and slugs and hoops and lashings. I love gaffers and hoops but for our boats I personally feel that slugs are pretty handy. I choose to leave the feeder groove open on the track, so I have to feed the slugs in anyway.....but if the opening was closed you could easily hoist and drop the main from the cockpit. Because I guide the slugs, I sit on the coach roof strbd side of the companionway opening with my legs hanging inside the boat. The halyard is led strbd side on my boat (not sure about others) to a turning block on deck, to a turning block strbd side aft to the top of the coach roof and a large jam cleat. Even though I don't actually raise the main from the cockpit (although I could by filling the feeder gap) I can reef the main from the cockpit because I don't use a tack hook but rather a single line system.
From the secure sitting position I feed slugs with my left hand and pull down on the halyard with the right. When I need to fuss with something I just take a coupla turns around the large horn cleat on the mast. Once the slugs are all up and I am close to done, I reach behind myself and take up all the slack halyard until it is tensioned at the jam cleat....the use both hands to sweat the last coupla inches and re-cleat. Done.
Down side of my version is I tend to prefer setting main on a strbd tack as the boom and sail are out of your face. I generally tend to get the boat sailing with the headsail alone first (on a strbd tack somewhere) and then get the main up. I also use a topping lift. With slugs, the main comes down very handy....unless you are under big pressure then it might need some tugging to get it down. And in a panic drop I don't loose the halyard as I keep a stop knot on the end and it won't fit through the last turning block. If I didn't constantly take the rig up and down, I would have lazy jacks for sure. A beautiful thing. I am sure I have spent a few hours pondering an easy way to have lazy jacks AND be able to set and strike the boom easily when rigging. Any clever ideas would be welcome. (jacks would keep the sail on the boom and in a kind of control even without ties Also, the only thing preventing you having a permanent helmsman is cash. Buy one. http://mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=S IMTP22&Category_Code=SIMNAV Mine is an antique and works perfectly. He is my best and most reliable sailing buddy. ....hey.....I just thought of a way to set up some lazy jacks........hmmmmmm. Tim ================================= -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Danelle Landis Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:21 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: boltrope adventures Probably the biggest surprise I had, taking our M17 out for the first two sails, was that it really wasn't easier than sailing my family's 50' boat! Firstly, because I was a complete fumbler with the M17 mainsail - when you're used to a mainsail on slides or slugs - you're used to a sail that obediently slides down the mast, piling onto the boom for rolling/flaking. I was flustered when I let the mainsail down on the M17 and the whole sail seemed to simply fall off, flopping all over the deck like a flock of half-killed chickens. It just seemed wrong! <g> Another thing is that our 50' sailboat had two-speed self-tailing winches *everywhere* - our M17 seems to require more strength sometimes, hauling up halyards with no winches, and these difficult jam cleats rather than cam cleats or just regular cleats. Also, my dad had our big sailboat rigged for singlehanding - we had a windvane and a mechanical self-steering device, so if one had to go work on the deck, it wasn't a big problem. My dad single-handed up and down the coast in that boat, from Mexico to Sitka, AK and over to Hawaii. When I sailed from Hawaii-Seattle with him, we of course took 6 hour watches, so we may as well been single-handing. I was surprised by how many hands were needed to get our M17's sails up and down! Our halyards run into the cockpit, but that does not help when you must hand-feed the boltrope. (My Dad will be pleased when I tell him that I got spoiled on his boat.) My husband surprised me this evening, telling me he'd already ordered a mainsail pre-feeder from Charleston Yachting: http://www.charlestonyachting.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product _Code=SCH1205-11&Category_Code= I really want to be able to single-hand, and raise that sucker from the cockpit! I did find a thread from this list from Feb 2007 discussing slugs vs bolt rope that was instructional. Boy, do I have a lot to learn! Danelle ----- Original Message ---- From: "Paint4Real@aol.com" <Paint4Real@aol.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 7:22:12 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: First sail finally! That bolt-rope jam surely is a nuisance if you're single-handing and there's a brisk breeze and a chop while you're trying to get some sail up. In fact, when I first set up my M15, 24 years ago now, I had all lines leading aft into the cockpit, including a jib downhaul, and I figured I'd be running the show from the helm at all times, but the first few attempts to raise the main required that I keep reaching forward to clear a bolt-rope jam -- and having to release my hold on the tiller if the jam was a 2-handed rescue -- and I realized it wasn't really a single-handed rig, quite. My solution was a terrific little ball-bearing guide that fit into the slot just below the opening into which you feed the bolt rope. The head of the sail was fed through the guide FIRST, and then into the wide opening of the slot and then on up the mast. The guide was essentially a pincer shape, the way your thumb and middle finger would look if ringed around a PVC tube, say, with steel ball-bearings attached to "the tips of your thumb and finger." The bearings were adjustable, so that the clearance between them permitted the sail to pass through, but the rope was captured behind them (inside the ring of the fingers, so to speak) and, so, fed cleanly into the opening and up the mast. Rigging at the ramp was a bit of a checklist, as the boom's gooseneck had to go in first and drop down out of the way, then the guide screwed into the slot above it (but still below the wider opening.) Unfortunately, there was one design flaw -- if the adjustment was too loose, the bearings would fall off, as the "designer" hadn't worked out how to include a retainer of some kind (or if there was one, was perhaps a plastic or rubber O-ring and disintegrated over time). When a bearing about 7/8 of an inch falls onto the cabin top on a boat being tossed about by the chop, while you're trying to get some sail area exposed, it can get lost. I had it for 23 years, carefully monitoring the adjustment, and then my son began to take his highschool football playing buddies out on the boat, and "suddenly" the bearings inexplicably disappeared. I have searched in vain for the device, though I have to believe it or something like it is still on the market. I have the design well remembered, and could fairly easily replicate it with some metal stock from the local hardware and a drill bit and die to cut some screw threads. (The steel bearings might be hard to come by. Wooden substitutes would work fine, I think.) I now always trailer, after years in a slip and the attendant weather wear on the boat, but the idea of switching over to slides is certainly intriguing. One thing it would permit is getting the main hanked on in the slip or before ramp launching, yet being able to keep it flaked low on the boom to minimize windage, which can be an issue in a marina if the breeze is up and you don't have a lot of room. With the bolt-rope arrangement, you're left to raise the main about halfway, just to get the job well underway, but there's that other half that's going to jam. I wish I could post photos here, at least of sketches, to make more clear the workings of the guide that feeds the bolt rope up into the mast opening. After I design and build a replacement for the now-lost version, I'll report back on it . . . unless I go with slides, in the interim. I'm not getting any younger, and I sometimes take the easy way out, especially if it frees up time for sailing. Steven Sweeney M15 #324 "Shenanigans" (1985) Stillwater, Minnesota ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. 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