Yes, I discovered, by experimentation, this past Spring that buffing before using Penetrol yields a much better result. Unfortunately, I never buffed as thoroughly as I'd have liked, so hope to rectify that Spring '05 . . . But I think Penetrol can enhance the shine in a way that polishes and waxes alone won't . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry E Yake To: chonshell@ia4u.net ; montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 12:40 AM Subject: Montgomery sailboat list The penatrol will give you a nice satin sheen, but you'll still need to remove the oxidation first on that dark hull. Penatrol seems to "treat" the gel coat, like Armour All on vinyl, restoring the original luster. To get a real high gloss shine, there's no substitute for buffing, polishing, and waxing. Penatrol is just a lot easier, but the key is still the prep work. Although Tullamore's hull looks great in pictures, there are some blotchy areas where the deeper oxidation wasn't removed completely. As soon as the weather warms enough, I'll be wet sanding and then rebuffing the hull to take care of that, along with patching some nicks in the gel coat. Larry