Hi all, Just did a quick 'n dirty tongue weight test on my rig, bathroom scale method. Looks like about 230-240 lbs tongue weight. A bit over the alleged 200 lb max rating for my vehicle but with the overload rear springs probably not an issue (hitch itself is rated to 350 lbs.). I could stash more stuff towards the rear of the boat when towing is what I get from this. Weight of the rig as a whole will be a while, need to see where there's a scale I can put it on in the area. I expect it's close to the 2000 lb rating for my vehicle...we'll see. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com