Bob; I've got one of the newest M-15's (Sweet Dream #620) with a Pacific Trailer. It seems to be great. Tows straight, no problems launching and retrieving by myself. The center of gravity is just forward of the axle. I back down until the fenders are 2" below the water and she floats on or off. I thought I would have to install guides but the factory guides work just fine. The keel rides on a carpet-covered board and there are boards on either side that act as guides. I haven't had to use the tongue extension yet (I'm not quite sure how easy it is to extend or retract with the boat weight on it). The winch support is well made but comes about an inch from the bow pulpit, making it hard to mount a bow anchor or pulpit bicolor light but I guess I could move it forward. On the whole, one of the nicest trailers I've ever owned. Don and Nancy Ludlow - M15 # 620 Sweet Dream. Ludlowd@bek.com -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:56 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 6, Issue 13 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Teak hatchboards and toe rail (Maria Jorge) 2. Re: Teak hatchboards and toe rail (Wilsometer@aol.com) 3. Trip Report: M-17 sail to Catalina Island (John Fleming) 4. Re: Trip Report: M-17 sail to Catalina Island (Stanley Winarski) 5. Re: Trip Report: M-17 sail to Catalina Island (John Fleming) 6. RE: Bow Chocks (htmills@bright.net) 7. m15 trailer (bobjudy2@comcast.net) 8. Re: m15 trailer (Richard Cottrell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:17:38 -0400 From: "Maria Jorge" <mcjorge@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Teak hatchboards and toe rail To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <001501c36810$810bb760$26983dd0@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bill: Starboard is the copyright name of marine grade polymer sheets commonly used in the marine industry in place of teak on boats. It is easy to work with using standard tools, stands up to UV rays and is practically maintenance free. Here is the website: www.kingstarboard.com. West Marine carries it but it is expensive. I would look around for other sources such as someone who sells plastic sheeting. It will never have the beauty of teak but I like the fact that it is maintenance free. Re-doing the teak toerails and other trim on my M17 has been enough work. The tan color contrasts nicely with the vertical teak trim on the companionway. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1@cox.net> To: "Maria Jorge" <mcjorge@bellsouth.net>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:26 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Teak hatchboards and toe rail
Maria,
What is starboard?
Bill On Thursday, August 21, 2003, at 04:46 AM, Maria Jorge wrote:
Regarding hatchboards, I went another route. I took the old two piece hatchboards and had new three piece hatchboards made out of starboard. I put a nifty rectangular chromed vent on the top board. No maintenance and looks good in the tan color. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: M_Boats: Teak hatchboards and toe rail
I had the exact same problem with my ash hatchboards, Tod. --Craig
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Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:36 PM Subject: Teak hatchboards and toe rail
I think I'd be interested as well, except (to throw a wrench into the works) that I need a slightly larger finished size of approximately 36" x 36".
I liked my Ash plywood hatchboards until they got black streaks in them despite my best efforts to seal them. I guess I'll consider them "practice". ;-)
Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill Riker Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:54 PM To: stever@mail.saabnet.com; montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Teak hatchboards and toe rail
Steve,
I'm interested.
Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel wriker@mindspring.com
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Steve R. Sent: August 19, 2003 8:36 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Teak hatchboards and toe rail
Hi Jesse,
I have no need to replace the toe rails but my hatch boards are in sad shape. Mine are plain plywood which have faded and warped.
The newer M-15s use a 1/2 inch hatch board. My older M-15 has a 3/8 inch hatch board.
Steve E. found a source of teak faced plywood in Maryland called Harbor Sales. They have a two sided sliced teak 9.5 mm plywood that should work, item 489MSTAA.5
Link:
Look under Nautical & Marine for sliced teak.
The problem is, they sell plywood in 4 foot x 8 foot sheets. A sheet costs $168. They are located 500 miles from me.
The overall size of the hatch is about 28 inches wide by 28 inches high. They will cut the plywood into twelve pieces of approximately 12 inches high by 32 inches wide. The cutting charge is $8. This would yield enough material to make four sets of hatch boards, with the total dimension of each set being about 32 inches wide by 36 inches high. The cost per set would be $44.
Would you or anyone else like to jointly purchase a sheet of plywood?
Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY
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------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:15:36 EDT From: Wilsometer@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Teak hatchboards and toe rail To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <e.34900142.2c767458@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 8/18/03 4:56:24 PM, gunsblazing@charter.net writes:
Has anyone replaced their hatchboards and toerails for an M15? Where did you find the replacements?
Thanks,
Jesse
Jesse, I made replacement solid teak boards (not teak ply) for my M15. I used 3/4" stock and rabbetted the edges to fit the 3/8" slots. The thicker boards, while heavier, are more stable (don't warp), keep tight joints, and look decidedly more 'yachty.' I went with three boards instead of the original two. Using my shaper table, I designed a strong joint detail that sheds water outboard with a seamless appearance. I sealed these with four coats of Cetol which, after six years still looks brand new. Having used virtually every oil, varnish, synthetic on the market, I can't see ever going back. I have not had occasion to replace the teak toe rails on my M15 (they still look new), but have done so on other boats. Mind the direction of the grain. Vertical grain (as viewed from above) has a tendency to split to the outside when you bend to the contour of the deck/hull. I usually purchase my teak at one of two following sources: 1) B. Axelrod & Co. 2630 Jennings Street San Francisco, CA 94124 (415) 621-8982 www.onlyteak.com 2) Edensaw Woods, Ltd. 211 Seton Road Port Townsend, WA 98368 (800) 745-3336 www.edensaw.com Scott M15#478 'bebe' ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:04:52 -0700 From: John Fleming <jfleming1231@earthlink.net> Subject: M_Boats: Trip Report: M-17 sail to Catalina Island To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <3F49A704.3080708@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed I just completed a trip over to Catalina on my M-17 "Star Cross'd". My first long trip with a purpose. My son was going to be with his Boy Scout troop at Emerald Bay, so rather than paying for the normal Catalina Flyer, I resolved to sail over there. I would be staying the week also as an assistant Scoutmaster. We got away on Sunday at 6:45 AM, motoring out of Marina Del Rey. The sea was windless with light glassy swells, no wind chop, so we had to motor for several hours. I was concerned about my fuel consumption, never having used my 4 HP Johnson two-stroke for actually getting somewhere, so I kept it at 50% power and we went about 3.5 knots. Eventually a light breeze came up, and we were close-hauled. As the day progressed, the breeze increased. About 11 AM, I was able to turn off the motor for good. Somewhere past the Palos Verdes peninsula, about 12 PM, with the boat doing 5+ knots in the increasing swell, chop, and wind, I had to go forward and pull down the 150% genoa and put up the working jib. Many thanks to my 13 yr old son, who can now reliably steer the boat while I do the sailhandling. I had installed jacklines, and we wore harnesses, but that's scant comfort when I was up there wedged into the pulpit, with a pitching and heaving bow, with 3000 ft of water underneath in the San Pedro Channel. How I wished I had installed lifelines. The sail change lasted us for a while, but by 1:30 PM, with half the Channel crossed, I tucked in the first reef on the main. As we approached Emerald Bay, the sea, whitecaps, and wind increased, along with the boat motion. We were doing 5.2 knots, and remembering the old maxim, "If you're wondering if you should reef, you should", I tucked in the second reef. First time ever. With one child in the boat, and a wife and daughter at home, I played it safe. I've never been in such seas before, on any sailboat, and not knowing know tender or tough Star Cross'd was in such conditions, I resolved to keep the boat motion below my anxiety level. Even so, we were still doing 5.2 knots (measured by GPS). I tried to keep a brave and confident face for my son. He seemed unconcerned, I hope because he had confidence in me. I kept telling him that this wind and sea was caused by the wind piling up and pouring around the West End of Catalina Island, and that as we got closer, it would diminish. Even so, I was mentally getting ready to go forward and pull down the jib, and put up the 95% jib stored below. It wasn't until we were practically upon Emerald Bay, 200 yds out, in the shadow of Arrow Point and Howland's Point, that the sea and wind calmed. Well, whew, that was fun, and we were soon resting on a mooring and switching to Scout mode, ferrying our stuff off the boat. Total crossing time 8 hrs 15 minutes, for 30 nautical miles, from first motion to picking up the mooring. On the following Saturday, the return trip was very pleasant. We were away later, at 9:30 AM. It was a cool, bright and sunny day, very clear, with 25 nm visibility, an absolutely perfect day for sailing. No need for GPS today, no fog worries, just keep it on a 348 deg heading and we'll be home. As soon as we were out of the bay, I could turn off the motor, and we did 4+ knots on a full main and the jib. The sea was relatively calm, and we quickly, in several hours, scooted across the San Pedro Channel. At first the wind was strong, but as we got farther from Catalina, the wind eased a bit, confirming my theory. I had to tack for about 10 minutes to let a big freighter pass in front of me. We saw several dolphins surface to check us out, but I guess we didn't have anything of interest to them (not going fast enough to ride our bow waves, I guess), so they vanished beneath the waves. As we passed the Palos Verdes peninsula, the winds and seas increased. We were more on a broad reach now, but the winds were never as strong as the outgoing leg, so I stifled my doubts and resolved to keep the main up and get used to this rolly motion, going sideways to the swells. Past Palos Verdes, the wind eased so much that I eventually was forced to start motor-sailing. But within about ten minutes, we were back up over 5 knots, so I turned it off and let Boreas do his magic. One thing I noticed. On a broad reach, with the northwest swells sideways to the boat, occasionally pounding of the hull on the back side of a swell, the occasional bumping of the centerboard in its trunk, sailing a Montgomery is not a quiet experience. My son managed to sleep a good portion of this in the cabin, but eventually it was too much even for him, and he came out to nap on the cockpit seat. As we drew closer to MDR, the wind and seas kept increasing, but we were so close that I just let it be and let the boat do its thing. Even so, they were never as strong as the trip over to Catalina. We were tied up at the launch ramp at 5:20 PM, just a little under 8 hours. Total fuel burn of less than two gallons for less than 5 hours of motoring. Woo-hoo, my first coastal cruise was successfully completed. As soon as I get the film developed, I'll scan in the pictures and post them here. Many thanks to Lyle Hess and Jerry Montgomery for the fabulous M-17, that brought my son and I safely to Catalina and back. (One other note: If you ignore the Marina and mooring fussing, it's clear to me that a M-17 with good winds is capable of 100 nm in 24 hours. I suppose that if I had launched from San Pedro instead of MDR, the trip would have been more like 5-6 hours, with a 20+ nm distance. Maybe that's how I'll get the wife and daughter to go next time. We'll sail to Avalon for a long weekend.) Regards, John Fleming '82 M-17: #357, "Star Cross'd" ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:53:55 -0400 From: Stanley Winarski <winarski@cox.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trip Report: M-17 sail to Catalina Island To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <915034B1-D703-11D7-B5FF-000A27DA78E6@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thanks for the sailing saga, John. Have you considered starting a troop of sea scouts ? Stan M-15, #177, Carol II ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:58:15 -0700 From: John Fleming <jfleming1231@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Trip Report: M-17 sail to Catalina Island To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <3F4ACCC7.6030203@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Stanley Winarski wrote:
Thanks for the sailing saga, John. Have you considered starting a troop of sea scouts ?
Stan M-15, #177, Carol II
We probably don't need another one. There's a Sea Scout base in Marina Del Rey, King Harbor, and down in Newport Beach. But I might consider trying to get our troop to reserve the Argus, a topsail ketch out of the Newport Beach base, next year. John Fleming ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:19:32 -0400 From: <htmills@bright.net> Subject: RE: M_Boats: Bow Chocks To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000101c36c39$48ebbb50$4d9edb42@HTM031103> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Bones Sorry to take so long to get back to you. I kinda lost your message in the shuffle. At this point I think I'll hang onto them "just in case". One never knows if one will buy an M23 in need of them. ;-) I found them on e-Bay. West Marine carries some as I'm sure other marine suppliers. Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Michael L Bowden Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:16 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Chocks Hey Tod, I'm looking for some chocks for my M23. Do you wish to get ride of your E-Bay purchase? Thanks, Bones ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:40:45 +0000 From: bobjudy2@comcast.net Subject: M_Boats: m15 trailer To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <E19s4Re-00006t-00@mailman.xmission.com> Hi, I am just getting back on the list after a long absence, so this question may have already been addressed-sorry if so. Does anyone have a Pacific Trailer for their M15? How do you like it? Have you seen a better one? Would you buy another? I am located on the left coast so I am only considering sources near San Francisco or LA. My old Trailrite is turning to rust and is beyond salvage. Bob Eeg uses Pacific Trailers and seems happy with them, but I would like to know what others think. Thanks, Bob Becker M15 #208 Castro Valley, CA ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Cottrell <rc2222@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: m15 trailer To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <20030827185537.29301.qmail@web80211.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bob Becker: Welcome back on the list. I wondered if you had sold your M15. My M15 has a galvanized EZ loader and it's been great. Pacific Trailers had an outlet in, I believe, Newark or Fremont. They appear to be an excellent trailer for the Montgomery boats. I still use the belaying pins you made for me. Thank's. Rich Cottrell Menlo Park bobjudy2@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I am just getting back on the list after a long absence, so this question may have already been addressed-sorry if so. Does anyone have a Pacific Trailer for their M15? How do you like it? Have you seen a better one? Would you buy another? I am located on the left coast so I am only considering sources near San Francisco or LA. My old Trailrite is turning to rust and is beyond salvage. Bob Eeg uses Pacific Trailers and seems happy with them, but I would like to know what others think. Thanks, Bob Becker M15 #208 Castro Valley, CA _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats