SALGLESSER@aol.com wrote:
Hi Howard,
Where would you locate the second mast on a Cat Ketch assuming a 16' boat?
sal
In a message dated 5/19/2009 6:03:14 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, haudsley@tranquility.net writes:
On Graham's larger boats, he offsets the CB to port a foot or so, where it forms one side of the port berth or galley, opening the cabin up a bit. Seems to make no difference at all in performance, but those are deep, high aspect boards.
The 17 to 20 foot Core Sound boats Charlie built do not have ballast, and very little wetted area and with a little wind will plane. Rumor has it they don't point as well as a sloop, but when you are doing 8 knots when everyone else is doing 4, you can afford to tack a few times. Off the wind, they run away from everyone. And the cat ketch is self tending, so you can slalom your way down the course without grinding on the winches (my hands are still sore from short tacking 3 miles up a course over the weekend).
I've not sailed on one either, but I may get the chance in a couple weeks. A guy who built one of his 17 foot cabin boats is going to be on Kentucky Lake and I'm trying to arrange a way to spend a day with him.
If there is room, skip the porta potti and go with a "throne"........an Airhead toilet.
Someday I may work up enough nerve to find out if a small bucket with a gallon or so of peat moss, with a locking lid, would work as well.
Howard
On May 18, 2009, at 6:02 PM, <htmills@zoominternet.net> wrote:
One favorite concept of mine is a portapot that slides out from under the cockpit.
In the M17, I think it would work well except for the c/b. If only there were another way to run the c/b line so that its tube didn't fill that area. It might be nice if the tube doubled as the mast support under the v-berth (and a stub higher if needed for w/l reasons). Of course, the geometry is off for that but perhaps there is some inventive solution.
Then, the battery could be on centerline just fwd of the compression post and there could be more accessible storage compartments built into the aft end of the v-berth.
The previous post mentioning the benefits of a cat ketch rig sure seems to have merit too...
Charlie Jones, on the TSBB board, has built at least a couple of Graham B_____'s cat ketches and they do seem to do well. I've never sailed that rig.
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
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Thanks again for your comments; they are still coming in and keep it up! I'm leaving this afternoon for an annual canoe camping/fishing in a wilderness are in the Sierras, and when I get back I'll review them and come up with some kind of concensus and post it. Looks like we are prejudiced in the way of wrinkles, as I suspected.
For my next column for SCA I'm working on an artical on small boat interiors, which ties in with all this.
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Hi Sal, When we owned a Bolger MICRO - 15' long - the mast was stepped in a forward compartment, 1' back from the bow.. The mizzen mast was stepped directly at the transom. This resulted in a main sail with about a 13' long foot, and a mizzen with about 4' foot. So you were carrying 17' feet of sails on a 15 foot boat. It flew...... A great, and very enjoyable sail boat. ...except for the problem of stepping a free standing 23 foot mast. Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO ex ComPac 16 - a dog.... ex Bolger MICRO ex. Tripp-Lentch 29 (26 years) ex North East 38 (2 years)