Charlie, Thanks for the laughs!!! lol You sound a lot like me, except it's not intentional in my case. Your motto is "Who Dares Wins”. My motto is "You don't know, what you don't know". By the way, when I read your thoughts about how your wife was able to stay with you while traveling through DC; my first thought was.........why did she stay (married) with you after that trip!! lol She must be a special woman. Congratulations!! Please don't be offended by my musings...........reading your email was like looking in a mirror. Regards,Skip -----Original Message----- From: Charles Adams via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: salglesser@aol.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2021 8:39 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Transporting Montgomery Sailboat - RudderCraft rudders - Posting photos to Facebook. As I’ve read this it causes me to reflect on the transport of a Tanzer 22 and Drascombe Lugger I made 40 years ago after reassignment by the Army. Trip was from Tacoma, WA to Baltimore, MD. My wife who had never towed anything with little driving in US and had the Lugger behind a Toyota Celica with twins 2 and son 7 to helps her manage them. I had the Tanzer behind a 10 year old Van with a dog. To add to the excitement it was Feb across I 90 and I 80. My plan was to hitch them to the vehicles and take off no different than going to a boat launch. I am today in wonder how my wife was able to stay with me as we passed thought DC of a night with me navigating to an out of the way Army post. I’ve trailered boats all over the place and had only one problem trailering last year a bought M-17 from DC to Northern NY. Had a blowout on I 81 and then the spare had a blowout. Should have replaced tires even though they looked good. I’m sure this reads like I’m insane or just not to smart and maybe so. I’ve had the good fortune to have served a year exchange from US Army SF to the British 22 SAS and lived with people who were know for pushing the limit. One event was crossing the Amazon for a month carrying all food needed with a white piece of paper for a map showing a couple rivers and mountains. Needless to say we had no contact with anyone after departing. Four of use with the planning being to pack a rucksack and take off. I have always loved their motto, “Who Dares Wins”. Sorry, and not to offend but I just do not get all that is being passed on this transport of a small boat. However it is interesting since I never thought of any of it. Charlie Sent from my iPad
On Feb 3, 2021, at 1:38 AM, sal glesser via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Tr Hi Dave, Been watching the thread. I do that. I would like to thank you for sharing your vast knowledge and experience with others on Jerry's designs. For those that don't know, Dave was the driving force with Jerry Montgomery on the Sage Marine Sailboat project. We put put close to 40 really nice boats with Jerry Montgomery and Dave Scobie. sal. The RudderCraft system is, as Bob worte, meant to stay in place at all times. It is designed to do that. The upper portion of the RudderCraft system, the mast crutch, is removed after the mast is raised (and put back in place for when the mast is lowered.
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On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:31 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I do not think I am seeing the same mounting method (nor mounting brackets) for the mast crutch. If you take away the rudder assembly, it appears that the mast would be supported in only one place, if that.
Did you deliver it with the kickup rudder ready to install? It looks a little to me from what I find in the paperwork and can see, like Gary put a different rudder on.
I will stop driving us all crazy and drag my husband out there. For all I know, he personally put the rudder on after we hauled it from Gary's. I am usually pretty good at parsing out mechanical things, but sometimes I cannot see the forest for the trees.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 2:06 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gail. The rudder simply lifts off vertically. No unbolting required. The tiller pivots on one bolt (3/8) simply unbolt by removing the lock nut and pull the bolt out. I built a 2 position mast carrier for this boat. Low position for trailering and high position when you need an angle to raise the mast. You can see it in this photo........in the up position.
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On Feb 2, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I have taken a photo and attached to an email, but it awaits approval. The rudder and tiller are integral with the mast, but they do not appear to me to be inseparable. I can post the pictures to Facebook and get more as needed. It appears to me that three bolts will remove the blade of the rudder, but it has to be unwound from the rope of the kickup assembly, which is not obvious. It initially appeared to me that I could lift out the tiller along with its vertical mounting, but it may involve the mast system. I could unbolt the tiller from its mounting.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:52 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas:
Some RudderCraft rudder setups have a mast crutch system. If this is on Gail's new-to-her boat the rudder must stay on the transom in order to support the mast crutch to support the mast. (This also assumes that there is no stand-alone mast crutch to put on the tansom ... again this depends on what the prior owner(s) have done with the boat.)
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On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:37 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Ruddercraft Rudder and it is simply hung off the transom on only gudgeons and pintles. What is a mast structure that is involved??
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting.
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