Shawn, I sent pics to you and Mike, but they didn't deliver to your address . . . Can you send your email address to me @ chonshell@ia4u.net? Thanks, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Boles" <shawn@ori.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: My Original M17 Rudder Hi All; My '78 M-17 also has the straight rudder. I would like to try the under slung rudder. My assumption is that it is closer to a true foil (i.e., it can serve as an underwater sail). Who has a picture? cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: Honshells [mailto:chonshell@ia4u.net] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: My Original M17 Rudder The original rudder on my '84 M17 doesn't have that configuration, Tom. It's a straight up-and-down affair, an enormous chunk of laminated mahogany, like the blade that Bob is using now (see http://www.montgomeryboats.com/images/m17-photo-b-16-500x.jpg ). I've switched to a kick-up . . . I would like to sail an M17 with that Hess blade, to see if there is a difference in the feel of the helm. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 9:59 PM Subject: M17 Rudder Jerry said Lyle Hess designed the original under-slung rudder (no, that's not an authorized, technical term...). And if the goal was to balance the helm, it does a fine job. Our M17 requires just the lightest touch to steer, and weather helm is very light. The boat loves to sail itself... t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed