Yeah, the M23 is 8 ft. beam and M17 is 7.3. Though if you look at assorted vaguely similar purpose 22-24 ft. boats of the era, most are 8 ft. beam or less also, and some at least with lower ballast/displacement ratio. Just to say, it didn't seem that tender to me. But we were out in mild conditions - Mark was excited that the wind was light enough to use his Genoa...rare enough on the Oregon coast in summer! cheers, John On 7/5/22 13:35, sailhavasu via montgomery_boats wrote:
The problem with the 23’s isn’t really locating one ….. it’s locating one for sale! :-). Sailed with Mark and Roberta multiple times. Huge Monty fans, great sailors, and wonderful people.
The 23 is a a great boat for what it is. It’s a Montgomery 17 stretched to give more cabin room , however , the beam was not stretched proportionally so as it keep it legal to trailer without wide load permits. It’s a good sailor , however it’s a little more tender than a 17. The 17 is hands down the best sailing boat in the Monty fleet. It’s cockpit size and beam are nearly identical to the much longer 23. Nevertheless , if you want to sail with company or a family , the 23 does it well. I spent many years sailing mine and loved every minute of of. (Excepting rigging up and de-rigging). The rig is heavy so be ready! :-)
On Jul 5, 2022, at 1:24 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
There's one near Coos Bay here on the Oregon coast, the owner is Mark Dvorscak who's still on this list I think...you out there Mark?
I've been out on it once with him some years ago. It's in Bristol shape, would be a great example for you to see how fine a boat it is when well cared for. Feels pretty spacious inside for a 23-footer.
cheers, John
On 7/5/22 12:40, sailhavasu via montgomery_boats wrote: There are only about 20 ever made. There is one for sale in Phoenix but it’s rough. It’s at Lake pleasant. Google it or look on the owners site. It’s listed there. Been for sale for years.
On Jul 5, 2022, at 12:27 PM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:
Does anyone on the west coast of the USA have an M23 they would be willing to let me come see? I am interested in purchasing one, but have never seen one in person... I want to look at the design in person before I spend too much time searching for such a rare boat. My M15 is getting a little small for my family, although we're still having a ton of fun and adventures on it.
Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157
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