Skipper I have been thru this I installed new lead cB. And removed and replaced all the steel in the keel. Cost more that the boat was worth but I have had the Pelican for over 40 yrs and grown attached to it. Where is your vessel moored? Capt Jim Sadler -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:17 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 cockpit drains I think all M15s, even trailer only models will need to have a lead centerboard made at some point... much much easier to install if it's not jammed in place yet. I've been mooring my M15 in saltwater for about 6mo now. It has a lead centerboard from Bob Eeg, but still has the steel ballast in the keel, which I tried to seal in well with extra fiberglass (hope it works). I've also avoided bottom painting for now, and use a homemade poly tarp "boat bath" which I tie to the bottom of the boat, and add a small amount of chlorine after each sail. The chlorine sterilizes the water, and then evaporates so it doesn't pollute when you remove it. No growth yet, but I haven't found a way to get the poly tarp on and off very quickly or easily. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Epifani" <edepifani@hotmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 10:04:41 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 cockpit drains I seem to have gathered that extensive time in salt water sets in motion a ticking time bomb with regards to centerboard integrity(pellet oxidation, expansion, gel cracking, water intrusion, negative feedback loop, jamming) Any salty M15 owners comment? Maybe M15 not suited for extensive time in the salt? As in moored for long periods of time? Ed E Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:54 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
The most important thing to worry about is keeping all water out of the boat. If water can't get inside, it becomes a bottle with a good cork, and while it may bob about in heavy waves, if water can't get past the cork, the bottle will keep floating.
A major problem on M15s that has to be addressed are the sail locker lids.
They have to have closed cell gasketing material on the bottom of the sail locker lid, (I used about 1" wide sealing tape with adhesive on one side) that mates with the edge of the sail locker itself, and that forms a water tight seal.
The next, and equally important items ,are latches for the sail locker lids so that they can't drop open in the event of a knock-down. I installed latches with a tight fit. When closed, you had to apply some force to open the latch.
The idea was, that the latches were then self-locking in normal use. You could get instant access to either sail locker, while sailing, but the latches couldn't just drop open by themselves, opening a big hole to let water inside the boat.
In a knock-down, you now may get a small amount of water via the gaps at the sides of the companionway boards; or via the breather slots at the top, but now you are talking about a few quarts of water, instead of what can get inside through an open sail locker lid.
Connie
On 11/16/2020 10:25 AM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote: I highly recommend the book "A Little Breeze To The West" by Michael Scott Mann. A great adventure, but it also extensively describes bluewater modifications for the M15. If I remember correctly, he added two large drains, as well as a styrofoam block to fill most of the cockpit volume.
The M15 also needs a redesigned cockpit hatch to keep the cabin dry, sea spray will go right under it and soak the cabin.
Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 7:07:57 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 cockpit drains
Dave
Have other skippers improved the cockpit drains in the M15? I am planning to take the Pelican to sea and if I took a wave over the stern the cock pit would not drain fast enough......right?
Capt Jim
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 1:15 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: new M15 mast
Jim.
Anything with a buffing agent will remove the alum oxide where the anodizing is missing. The oxide is a very effective protectant.
Buffing compound will also damage/remove the anodizing.
I'm sure there is discussion out there on some www-site on waxing aluminum spars but IMO you are making work and causing more work to be needed in the future. I never once had anyone every question how the masts looked on my '84 M15 and '83 M17. Folks looked at the brightwork and shiny gel coat topsides and hull. SWEET PEA's (a M17) tanbark sails also received positive comments.
Raise the mast and go sailing. Better use of your time.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 12:58 PM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Thanks Captain
I checked on new mast......$700 plus $300 shipping!
Is there anyway to just clean it? Without damage to anodize ? Maybe wax it? The Pelican looks great except for the bloches on the mast.
Jim S
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 10:58 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: new M15 mast
Unless you do the refinishing yourself, hand painting after taking off all hardware, sanding, sanding, acid etching, paint, repaint, it will be cheaper to buy a new mast.
A spar shop will likely know a place that can do painting (there is an Westsail 26 near me, for example, that has a freshly painted mast - the owner likely had it done at Port Townsend Rigging or SEA Marine at Point Hudson). This is $$$.
A painted mast on a trailered boat, or boat that is rigged/de-rigged often will quickly show wear, scratches and dings.
Save your money and buy new sails - the #1 thing you can do to make the boat sail better. Or put the funds into the cruising kitty and take a long trip!
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 10:45 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Thanks David
Not damaged
No extensive corrosion
Not bent
I is just 40 years old and now the Pelican is not berthed the garage, but in a slip in Oceanside harbor.
It just doesn’t look Bristol like the rest of the vessel
Capt Jim
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:34 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: new M15 mast
Jim:
Is the mast damaged? Is there extensive corrosion under the hardware? Has it been bent?
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 5:35 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Bob Is it possible to get new mast for M15? Or can I get it re anadized or powder coated?
Thanks Capt Jim Sadler SV Pelican